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    Michael, like other difficult technical features, the Murphy skinny will only be ridable by about 10% of the riders. There is no way it can be used as "normal" route and serve a second purpose.

    Murphy already has several cool bridges for everyone, but they are about 4 feet wide so that even novice bikers can use them. Similarly, we are in the process of putting in two bridges at Leb, each of them being nearly 100 feet. But they will be 3 ft wide, and cross a marsh area.

    You are right in your assessment. These features are only so that skilled riders have something cool to look forward to in their ride. Kind of like the Leb teeter totter, ride-over rock, etc. Hopefully, we can make the trail interesting enough so that renegades don't start trying to build their own. The trend is to have an "A" and "B" line, so that the trail is available to a wide range of riders, but that the skilled riders have somewhere to use and sharpen their skills. Plus, they are fun to ride.

    What you probably don't realize is that most of the "natural" rock gardens and features were also placed there by humans to make the ride more interesting and challenging. The places where the trail happens to go over or down a big rock or natural obstacle are a function of routing usually a quarter mile before and after, just to make use of the natural obstacle.

    Similarly, if you scrape off the dirt in several of the low but fast areas on the trails, you will find that MORC actually removed the dirt, put in rock "armoring" underneath, then put the dirt on top of the rock, making it look like we didn't do anything.

    In general, it takes a lot of unnatural work to make a trail that is ridable, but gives the appearance that we didn't do anything.
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    So I guess what you're saying is that there isn't really any place it is needed/useful, but you guys thought it would be fun anyways.... good enough for me....

    I just thought that there might be someplace that it would actually help the trail (like in BC), and therefore serve more than one purpose.

    I also think it would be kind of interesting if there were consequences to falling off.... like, say, falling into a puddle or sloppy goo.... that's just the mean part of me though... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoostRider View Post
    Is there a purpose for this feature? or is it just a feature?
    The only purpose of this feature is to add something fun to ride. From the beginning, one of the goals of the Murphy project was to include built features that provide fun and challenge.

    Quote Originally Posted by RoostRider View Post
    ...but wouldn't it be best to install it someplace it is needed or useful?
    Not in this case. Factors such as proximity to emergency access points, proximity to the trailhead, the terrain, and vegetation were all more important than trying to find an appropriate wet area to cross.

    Good question.

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    If this rain keeps up it will be a water crossing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoostRider View Post
    Cause BC riders didn't just start making skinnies just to use up money and resources... they had a purpose that was useful... such as crossing a creek, or over a mud hole, or similar things....
    We aren't BC last I checked. (although I know many that would wish us to become like them) They have their reasons for building the way they do, and we have ours.

    If we removed all the features and obstacles that had no real purpose we'd have a lot of flat boring trails.

    Having said that, don't expect us to litter our trails with elevated stuff... as you hinted at, we don't really *need* these things.

    These types of features do help our trails appeal to a wider audience. MORC is made up of quite a variety of rider styles and its fun to give a little something to everyone. Heck, maybe next time someone goes out to BC they might think back at learning how to ride this feature and it will help them.

    Pete has done a good job selecting a feature that nobody else has so we also keep our trails somewhat unique.
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    Is there a purpose for this feature? or is it just a feature?

    Cause BC riders didn't just start making skinnies just to use up money and resources... they had a purpose that was useful... such as crossing a creek, or over a mud hole, or similar things....

    Don't get me wrong, I love stuff like that (heck I even built skinnies in my backyard up to 6' tall), but wouldn't it be best to install it someplace it is needed or useful?

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    To help put the new feature in perspective, here are some of the dimensions of the log ride at Murphy (the large tree that you can ride on at the far edge of the big prairie... about 1/8 of a mile past trail marker 79):

    Total Length: 35-40 feet

    Height: ranges from 16" to 30" (1.3 - 2.5 feet high)

    Multiple spots on the 1st half of the log ride are 9" wide (including spots during the turn).

    The last 12-15 feet of the log ride (not including the transition off) varies from 28" to 30" off the ground and is between 10" and 12" wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strk9 View Post
    it looks kinda tricky is it going to be going down hill uphill or level?
    Sorry it took so long to answer this... we were actually still discussing this topic.

    The 'flat' sections will be slightly downhill, following the slope of the land.

    The transitions to higher heights will be uphill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorty View Post
    Below are images of a technical feature we'll be building at Murphy this season. Length from start to finish is 120-125 feet long. The feature will be located completely off the existing trail.

    The main section of the feature is ~10" wide, with a 5.5" wide skinny at the beginning. Height starts at 1.5', goes up to a little above 2', then a little above 3'.

    Easier option at the end is ~30" wide. XX option to the right is 3.5' high and 5.5" wide.

    There might be minor changes, but this is the final overall design. We'll start digging holes ASAP.

    A big thanks to Kris Yahner and Adam Buck for their input and insight. And of course... thanks to Three Rivers!

    Front view:


    Side View (the first section ends with a teeter):


    Top View:

    View of Options at End of Feature (the teeter is in the middle of the pic):
    it looks kinda tricky is it going to be going down hill uphill or level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupboy View Post
    Very cool...
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    That's not too high. You can wheelie drop off at any point. I came into the second bridge in the XX at Leb once way too fast and got bumped off line, dropped into the ravine which is as high if not higher than this obstacle, and was able to pedal out.
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    Way to be a man and subversively delete posts. Epic fail. This feature is stupid and a waste of time (and someone's money). BC "freeride" skinnies were cool about 5 years ago. How about investing efforts and capital in some semi-natural obstacles that riders might encounter here or elsewhere?

    No thanks in turning the "new" Murphy from a solid trail into some contrived theme park. The clock is already ticking until somebody augers, breaks a collarbone, and gets to the suing. Brilliant!...
    Soupy, I sent (and you received) a PM regarding the deletion of your off topic posts. Again, please keep this discussion focused on the original topic - we will be updating this thread as construction continues.

    After reading your 4 quotes above (all referring to the new feature), I am interested in why you did a complete 180 in your opinion of the feature?

    Again if it has to do with me deleting your off topic posts, take that discussion elsewhere. If it has to do with the feature itself, I would like to hear it.

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    Way to be a man and subversively delete posts. Epic fail. This feature is stupid and a waste of time (and someone's money). BC "freeride" skinnies were cool about 5 years ago. How about investing efforts and capital in some semi-natural obstacles that riders might encounter here or elsewhere?

    No thanks in turning the "new" Murphy from a solid trail into some contrived theme park. The clock is already ticking until somebody augers, breaks a collarbone, and gets to the suing. Brilliant!...

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    hahaha suckaz. So stoked to see this happening so quick!

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    Good pics Mike, Just getting back home form Murphy...Third loop was a big mistake. The trail was just too nice and the weather was just to perfect to go home..too bad my legs didn't see it that way.

    Just to pass along I met at least a dozen of first timers to Murphy on the trail today that could not say enough good things and they all wanted to pass along there appreciation. Loads of kids also out with there parents.

    Big props to 3 Rivers bring in in there hole digging "team" ...they rocked

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    Looks awesome guys. I like material choice for the footing posts; No chance of rot in the future. Should be a stout and dependable feature for years and years. Sorry I didn't make it out to help. Next time!
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    Nice Pics Mike! It was a beautiful day to be out working on the trail.

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