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Some people got it and some don't.
Well...it is the XX Loop....and you can unclip and walk over.....Originally Posted by soupboy
Thing is, I also think BB had some very good points: some of the obstacles in the X and XX at Leb seem a bit much. I did get a bit frustrated that it seemed like we had to fill every "boring" spot of singletrack with a log or rock garden, as if singletrack is ever really boring.
And, yes, I've thrown in my fair bit of flame in the past to get blood pressures raised and lavish attention on myself. But, don't expect people to take you seriously with suggestions of how to change things by first insulting them. That, by definition, is not constructive criticism.
So, instead of getting a bunch of people responding with "Hey, that's a good point, I'd like to see more narrow singletrack, too!" you get a bunch of flames.
...and other obstacles deemed "BMX" vs. "MTB". Color me naive, but much of the progression in MTBing in terms of technical stuff comes from our Canuck brethern in sloppy BC. Skinnies, drops, teeters, hucks, etc. They are riding MTBs. Big, fat 40#+ MTBs.
What wrong with trying to replicate even a fraction of that on our trails? Let's do a poll [forthcoming]. I'm not a BMX rider either...wait, I am, I ride a 29er SS (big kids BMX) and I LOVE riding EVERYTHING at Leb on it. Further, there are clear bypasses for nearly all of Leb's obstacles save the camel's back (there really should be one).
Hillside is a nice trail but for me not worth the haul unless I'm really bored. I mean, who doesn't want to drive for nearly an hour and then have to pay to park?
Maybe I'll head out to Leb today to rip out those darn logs afterall...
It's not the first time you left us....
Have fun!!!
Speaking of closed minds.....hmmmmm.......
OK I am breaking my silence one last time then it's forever. Bob posted that to his blog. Not here. He never once directed such insults at anyone specifically yet is getting unjustified directed insults in return.
I have a blog. I pay for the web domain. On my blog, I am God. Ob Bob's blog, Bob is God. I am going to post whatever the **** I want on my blog and will defend Bob's right to do so as well.
That's it. I have positively had it with MORC and the people around here who have taken it upon themselves to crucify anyone who doesn't 100% agree with them.
Good luck in the future and don't forget the higher purpose. I am not stepping a foot in here again, nor am I renewing my membership. The closed ears and minds in here have driven me up and over the wall.
The only place I know if this is Leb where they have sectioned loops. The X and XX....so if you don't like those things.....ride the Intermediate loop and enjoy that part. I do not think MTBing is being BMXified. I am actually trying to prevent that because I know not everyone wants jumps and teeters. Most Teeters have a ride around or should......so ride around it then. But, why not have it for those who want the extra challenge? I suggest some of you got to the IMBA website and read up on their ideas. I think they are very good and designed to make everyone happy. But, if we want mountain biking to continue to grow.....we need to make the younger generation happy......and they were brought up on BMX, Skateboarding, Snowboarding, and Freeriding. Either that or we can stay old school and disappear.
Last edited by manual63; 05-12-2005 at 08:57 AM.
One thing I have noticed through some of the posting. People are refering to MORC as some kind of faceless thing. MORC is a group of PEOPLE who are putting there spare time into "Gaining and Maintaining" mountain bike trails.
I know we can't please people all of the time, look at Theo. You could ask twenty people what they think of Theo, ten will say its to wide, ten will say its to narrow.
As far as the width of a trail, look at how little of trail was actually built last year at Theo. 2000 plus volunteer hours to get something around 3 miles finished (correct me if I am wrong). Yes you can get narrow trails by building it by hand, but you BURN VOLUNTEERS OUT.
I would just like to remind people that when they refer to MORC remember its a group of people that are giving up there free time to get out and build and keep the trails that we have. Just ask some of the regulars how many hours they have spend riding this season versus how many hours spent trailbuilding.
It goes both ways, doesn't it? Seems to me he was dissing us for being a bunch of full-sus, Mountain Dew-swilling weekend warriors who ride our rear brakes on everything. Fact is, many of us, like me, love riding Lebanon's "skate park" on a full-rigid SS.
The lack of understanding here abounds.
Last edited by Trevize1138; 05-12-2005 at 08:54 AM.
This is exactly it. Instead of posting a blog that basically rips on MORC, post what you would like to see. Give suggestions and ideas on how to do things so everyone can enjoy them. There are a lot of parts I don't like about many trails, but then there are parts I do like. I don't complain about the parts I don't like on here.......at least not to a degree that I rip on MORC. I hate those logs that cross the trails on hill climbs.....they totally suck to me....but someone must like them.....so, I deal with it and enjoy the rest of the trail that I like.
I have not seen any suggestions or concerns addressed about how Murphy will be developed. I am a mountain bike rider, not a BMX rider like some. That is where I see all the trails are heading that MORC develops. I suggest you take out the BMX part of trail building. That means eliminating obstacles that are not needed for erosion control. Perfect examples are when Bob Muller built Elk River and Monticello. Very little BMX jumps, table tops, and teeters.
I have no idea what his bike handling skills are. My point is that the old school style is no fun.....and I think that is the style you are into also........road biking on dirt.
Alright. We've heard both sides of the issue. Taking action vs. leaving things the way that they were.
Where does it go from here? There's nothing to be gained by either side by saying the other is entirely wrong and dismissing that point of view.
How do both mindsets come to an arrangement that each can get value out of?
MORC has proven that it's open to listening to people that are willing to be involved in the trail building and conceptualizing process. We've made changes to trails, we've updated our lines, we've built trails that as individuals we may never ride (Steeplechase DH run).
This is an invitation to all. If you love your style of mountain biking and you don't feel that MORC embraces it, it's up to you to do something about it. Make your voice heard in a constructive capacity. Provide suggestions and action plans as opposed to complaining. There's nothing to be gained from demonizing the other side (whichever side that may be).
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