Trail Conditions in Detail - Lebanon Hills

[tedsti]

If the temps get above freezing, please avoid the temptation to go out and ride. Between the snow melt and the condensation, the trail will be pretty wet. This is a critical time since the ruts formed now will get frozen in for the season.

[gopherhockey]

Trail is in poor riding condition. Saw a lot of riders out today but frankly nobody should have been riding the trail today... but it was pretty hard to tell until you got into it. I think it got worse as the day went on.

People really need to respect the trail when it goes through freeze/thaw so we could work toward keeping it open longer (maybe even all year). It won't happen if people ride it when its wet and sloppy like it was today.

I'd wait for a good hard freeze before riding though. Early this week probably won't be good riding conditions.

[cendres]

I was thinking of driving down to Lebanon today, 11/23. Can anyone tell me if it has dried out enough to be rideable?

Thanks,
Chris

[bigwheel]

I was thinking of driving down to Lebanon today, 11/23. Can anyone tell me if it has dried out enough to be rideable?

Thanks,
Chris

Chris, I haven't been out there, but based on what we saw on Sunday, plus the condition of the low areas of Salem/Harmon last night, I'd suggest waiting until it freezes. (tomorrow ??) However, if you really need to get in a ride today, the outer loop might be okay.

The X section is the worst, and we had to do quite a bit of repair where people were riding muddy areas.

According to the reports, it's supposed to get cold starting this afternoon. If the ground freezes, it'll be great riding by tomorrow. However, if there are ruts in the trail when it freezes, they will be there for a long time.

[gopherhockey]

Dale Gundberg met with Dakota County today regarding the possibility of keeping Lebanon Hills open to riding all winter long (until spring thaw, that is).

Long story short for now, they agreed on a one year pilot program that will allow us to continue riding through this winter to see how bikers can share the trails with skiiers.

By share, I really mean cross at 90 degree angles and not ride on ski trails. We have a few issues to address such as some signage and some fences that will hopefully help with this.

Until then, feel free to continue riding at Lebanon thanks to Dale's efforts and Dakota County's continued cooperation with MORC. Please keep off the ski trails except for where we cross over. We will not have the intermediate bypass open either, it will have to be the expert loop only until we can re-route that last remaining shared trail in that area next summer.

Three.. no four dancing you-know-whats for Dale and Dakota County!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[bigwheel]

Three.. no four dancing you-know-whats for Dale and Dakota County!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

:banana::banana: And a couple more from me.

Thanks!

[fasterfoster]

Dale Gundberg met with Dakota County today regarding the possibility of keeping Lebanon Hills open to riding all winter long (until spring thaw, that is)...

Until then, feel free to continue riding at Lebanon thanks to Dale's efforts and Dakota County's continued cooperation with MORC...
Three.. no four dancing you-know-whats for Dale and Dakota County!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Thanks for your efforts! I look forward to many more rides this winter!

[fatbaldpop1]

Have been people been riding it since we received the snow? I have ridden Theo numerous times and it is great, but before revving up the gas guzzler for the drive to Leb it would be great to know whether I will be blazing trail or piggy backing on ohters shoulders...

[gopherhockey]

Have been people been riding it since we received the snow? I have ridden Theo numerous times and it is great, but before revving up the gas guzzler for the drive to Leb it would be great to know whether I will be blazing trail or piggy backing on ohters shoulders...

Leb is still getting a good amount of riding now that it is open all year round. Conditions are good at the moment - hard packed from bike traffic - all loops are in great condition, bridges and teeter are all doing well.

Everyone please note that riders must take the X loop when riding in the winter. The "intermediate bypass" is a ski trail and is not available for biking. Riding on that section of trail could make this our last season of winter riding.

[fatbaldpop1]

I rode the trails on both Saturday and Sunday. First, they are in excellent shape. Secondly, the trail stop signs and slight detour to avoid the ski trail which were added in between my two trips to Leb were a good add. Third, there were more bikers than skiiers there yesterday.

Conclusion-smart move by Dakota Parks and MORC. More people using the parks the better..

[Tim Wegner]

I am sure there are more riders on the trail than skiers right now. Once there is additional snow the skiers will get off of the their "stone skis" and get out the good ones and will be out in force. I mentioned to Dale today over lunch that when we did the proposal to Dakota for the trails at Lebanon we said that for winter use the bike trails would be dedicated to snow shoes and back country skiing. I think that the conditions that exist are a good controller for each user group. When there is a lot of new deep snow the bikes are moving very slow and are not the primary user. The snowshoers and the skiers are the primary user. As the trail packs down more bikes begin to use the trail and fewer alternative users are on the bike trails.

That being said, I think we should make it clear to people that are winter bikers that other users are on this trail and they are entitled to use the trail. In other words, when winter comes other users have the right of way and bikes need to yield to them. Since we are all moving slower in the winter maybe this would be a good time to meet and greet some of the other users on the trail that we built. Now summer time is a different story---we are the primary users and have the right of way. Does that mean we can run over other users on our trail? ----Nah, I think Dakota might frown on that one a bit.

Enjoy the winter riding, take this time to get to know other users. who knows someone you befriend might become the next John Lundell of trail work.

TW

[bigwheel]

Tim, thanks again to you and Dale for your work on this.

Once the snow gets deeper, there's a reasonable chance that I will be one of the skiers you meet at the crossings. Until then, I'll be enjoying the new biking option.

[Hathor]

You guys gotta start helping me convince John how fun it will be to snowshoe since we finally have snow this year.

[gopherhockey]

You guys gotta start helping me convince John how fun it will be to snowshoe since we finally have snow this year.

Nice new avatar!

[tedsti]

Once the snow gets deep enough, I will be all about convincing people to shoeshoe. It will help pack down the trail for biking :D .



You guys gotta start helping me convince John how fun it will be to snowshoe since we finally have snow this year.

[Hathor]

Always an alterior motive! Seriously though, are there guys out there who haves wives/girlfriends who would come out and snowshoe? (Bob, I think you once mentioned your wife would come.) When you guys finally burn out on Winter biking (if ever) we should do some group snow shoeing at night! It will be fun. Really. I will bring cookies! Speaking of cookies, see my post in the Thurs. night Leb thread.

[TML]

Always an alterior motive! Seriously though, are there guys out there who haves wives/girlfriends who would come out and snowshoe? (Bob, I think you once mentioned your wife would come.) When you guys finally burn out on Winter biking (if ever) we should do some group snow shoeing at night! It will be fun. Really. I will bring cookies! Speaking of cookies, see my post in the Thurs. night Leb thread.

Good call Liz. My wife would be up for it, and we have snowshoes! We organized a couple of hikes last year at Harmon park and some wives came and it was a lot of fun! Hopefully we'll do it some more this year.

[mara]

I don't have a wife or girlfriend to bring at the moment, but it sounds like a lot of fun anyway -- I'd be in :D

[Hathor]

That calendar thread must've turned me into a chauvanist. Sorry! You can bring a boy toy.

I don't have a wife or girlfriend to bring at the moment, but it sounds like a lot of fun anyway -- I'd be in :D

[manual63]

That calendar thread must've turned me into a chauvanist. Sorry! You can bring a boy toy.

Are you bringing yours? I saw your boy toy at the meeting last night.....but now I have a whole new image of him.....:):laugh:

[Hathor]

Are you bringing yours? I saw your boy toy at the meeting last night.....but now I have a whole new image of him.....:):laugh:

I dunno, John might be offended to be talked about in such away. Just kidding. Anyway, I think that is why I started down this whole line; he might need a little convincing to go. I am amazed you guys are still going with the whole winter biking thing, but it has to come to an end eventually... right?

So, the more I think about it, the more possibilities this whole group snowshoe thing has. If more women get out on the trail even to hike, etc., it might make them more prone to wanna try mountain biking. Plus, I have some single girl friends who need to meet some good guys but aren't into biking (yet), so it could be for singles and couples!

[mtnbykr]

I am amazed you guys are still going with the whole winter biking thing, but it has to come to an end eventually... right?


never.

seriously, here in dulluth, doesn''t make any difference how deep the snow is, we still ride. either on singletrack or the snowmobile trails.

why put the bikes away??

kl

[manual63]

Plus, I have some single girl friends who need to meet some good guys but aren't into biking (yet), so it could be for singles and couples!

I would love to see them get into biking, single or not......they don't need a guy to get them into biking.......:)

The snowshoeing things sounds like fun. Especially if we snowshoe on the bike path so it's easier to ride......:D

[Hathor]

I would love to see them get into biking, single or not......they don't need a guy to get them into biking.......:)


No but they need a reason to get out to the trail to see how frickin' beautiful it is out there.

[mtxjohn]

Hello,

Im new to this board, and new to mn. and I'm glad I found this site because I don't know where ANY trails are lol. Im not a big fan of "snow riding", but Im curious, is there a directory of trails on this site? Directions too? Thanks a lot, john:banana:

[manual63]

Hello,

Im new to this board, and new to mn. and I'm glad I found this site because I don't know where ANY trails are lol. Im not a big fan of "snow riding", but Im curious, is there a directory of trails on this site? Directions too? Thanks a lot, john:banana:

If you click Home at the top, it will take you to the home page. Click trail conditions in the middle of the page. It will show you which trails are open and not. Then click on the trail names that are underlined at the left to see more info about that trail.

Hope that helps.....:)

[flombe]

Hello,

Im new to this board, and new to mn. and I'm glad I found this site because I don't know where ANY trails are lol. Im not a big fan of "snow riding", but Im curious, is there a directory of trails on this site? Directions too? Thanks a lot, john:banana:

Welcome!

Right here >>>> http://www.morcmtb.org/trailreviews/index.htm

There is a trail conditions link on the MORC homepage. Also, the more heavily used trails have "Trail Conditions" posts that are updated frequently.

[bigwheel]

Always an alterior motive! Seriously though, are there guys out there who haves wives/girlfriends who would come out and snowshoe? (Bob, I think you once mentioned your wife would come.) When you guys finally burn out on Winter biking (if ever) we should do some group snow shoeing at night! It will be fun. Really. I will bring cookies! Speaking of cookies, see my post in the Thurs. night Leb thread.

I just mentioned it to her. She'll go. Unfortunately, our snowshoes are "up north", so it will have to wait until after New Years weekend (our next trip).

We should also consider XC skiing - especially at night. My wife would probably also do that. Just a few mods and we should be able to adapt our helmet lights. Lebanon Hills East (the visitor center) has some excellent classic ski trails. Terrace Oaks has a shorter (5.5k), but decent trail groomed for classic and skating.

[fasterfoster]

I went for a ride today around 3:30. Saw one other guy leaving. Trail was in EXCELLENT condition. It's a little slower in the snow, but many of the obstacles are acutally easier. The space between logs is filled with snow, etc. I barely slowed down for the rock gardens. (Of course the pace was much slower than on the dirt.)

I figured this could be my last ride for a while if weather predictions are correct.

[gopherhockey]

Snow was deep last night. Light fluffy powder that was not packing under our tires. There had been some hikers and skiiers on the trail, but it hasn't helped yet.

Suggest waiting a few days to see if conditions improve. It was a struggle just to ride the beginner loop (thought I'd never actually say that..) - we probably were on our bikes less than 30% of the time.

*hopefully* we will find a way to get things packed down so we can get back out riding!

[iceskier]

John,
Use those new snowshoes to pack it down!!:banana:

[RedSquirrel]

Packing it down sounds easier than it is. It's going to take some metamorpohing(melt freeze) on snow before it's ride-able. Additionally later in the season the snow trail will end up higher than the non-trail...falling off the trail would be scary then.

I say we go out there and sweep or shovel the whole trail, just this one time. That way it would be set up for the winter season. Who's with me!!?! I'm kinda serious. At 1 mile per hour I could finish in a full day. With 5 people??

[tedsti]

I would be up for clearing the trail. However, I don't think Dakota county would be too keen on us messing it up for the snowshoes and skis.



Packing it down sounds easier than it is. It's going to take some metamorpohing(melt freeze) on snow before it's ride-able. Additionally later in the season the snow trail will end up higher than the non-trail...falling off the trail would be scary then.

I say we go out there and sweep or shovel the whole trail, just this one time. That way it would be set up for the winter season. Who's with me!!?! I'm kinda serious. At 1 mile per hour I could finish in a full day. With 5 people??

[gopherhockey]

I say we go out there and sweep or shovel the whole trail, just this one time. That way it would be set up for the winter season. Who's with me!!?! I'm kinda serious. At 1 mile per hour I could finish in a full day. With 5 people??

Lets get some gas guzzling snow blowers out there and do it right! ;)

I don't like the idea that riding might be over at Leb when we just got approval to keep going all year long. There has to be something we can do...

[gopherhockey]

I would be up for clearing the trail. However, I don't think Dakota county would be too keen on us messing it up for the snowshoes and skis.

We don't have to worry about the skiiers, they really shouldn't be on our trail anyway. Good point on the snowshoes tho. We could clear the now, but leave just enough for them to enjoy. :D

[Magic]

Everyone fill up those spray bottles with water, we're going to freeze the trail. It's what we did as kids to make our sledding hill nice and fast. Spray some water and follow with snowshoes. Just like downtown Julie Brown, baby.:)

[gopherhockey]

Forecast shows for above freezing later next week. Maybe Ma Nature will help us out a bit.

[berrywise]

If we're going to do it, let's do it right. Next summer let's tear up the whole trail and intall underground heat. Kinda like people install in their basement floors. Whose with me?!

[tedsti]

We need some of those backpack pesticide sprayers!!



Everyone fill up those spray bottles with water, we're going to freeze the trail. It's what we did as kids to make our sledding hill nice and fast. Spray some water and follow with snowshoes. Just like downtown Julie Brown, baby.:)

[funky-funky-chicken]

[Thread HiJack]
The trick with shoveling and spray bottles and water is exactly what I've spent the last couple of days doing in the woods behind my house. I've constructed a nice downhill luge that the kids can ride down on their saucers. I've built up both sides of the "trail" into a luge complete with banked corners. I can set my 6 year old at the top of the hill, give her a little shove, and watch as she snakes her way down the hill between the trees. I've been shoveling, banking, and spraying down the snow to construct what's become a pretty fun little sledding hill.
[/Thread HiJack]

Now, if I lived closer to LH, I'd be out there trying to help improve trail conditions. We'll see if I can squeeze in some time tomorrow morning to get out there to ride.

[tedsti]

A demo fleet of Pugs would be nice as well. Anyone at QBP listening? Maybe Bob could do some durability testing on them.

[transplant]

I'm going to try it this weekend, but not sure which day. Probably around 8:00ish.

[TML]

If we're going to do it, let's do it right. Next summer let's tear up the whole trail and intall underground heat. Kinda like people install in their basement floors. Whose with me?!

It was discussed in the parking lot last night. This would also allow us to tap the line for some running water at the beginning of the X loop in the summer time. :D

[transplant]

I can supply the liquid for the system, cheap!

[Tim Wegner]

We don't have to worry about the skiiers, they really shouldn't be on our trail anyway. Good point on the snowshoes tho. We could clear the now, but leave just enough for them to enjoy. :D

John---How soon you forget. When we sold Dakota on letting us put mountain bike trails at Lebanon we told them the trails would be used for back country type skiers and snowshoers in the winter. Soooo---yes the skiers are entitled to be on the bike trails in the winter. If your selective memory gets much worse we will have to start calling you TIM.
TW

[mtnbykr]

Packing it down sounds easier than it is. It's going to take some metamorpohing(melt freeze) on snow before it's ride-able.

now you know what we go thru every year. and why some of seem to know something about winter riding...

kl

[timmy]

I'm going to try it this weekend, but not sure which day. Probably around 8:00ish.


Tom, let me know what day you decide to ride. I can meet you out there if your looking for someone to ride with.

Greg

[gopherhockey]

John---How soon you forget. When we sold Dakota on letting us put mountain bike trails at Lebanon we told them the trails would be used for back country type skiers and snowshoers in the winter. Soooo---yes the skiers are entitled to be on the bike trails in the winter. If your selective memory gets much worse we will have to start calling you TIM.
TW

I remember snowshoers but NEVER a mention of skis. I know when I was included in the conversation there was no mention of skis of any kind on the bike trails. In fact I remember just the opposite, selling the thin trails for biking with no need to widen them for skis.

Its a mute point really... its actually better that they are there.

And it doesn't much matter who is doing what on the bike trails, bikers pretty much have to yield the right-of-way anyway (even in summer).

[transplant]

Tom, let me know what day you decide to ride. I can meet you out there if your looking for someone to ride with.

Greg

No way, dude! What do you say to about 9:30 tomorrow? Sunday looks to be colder, so I'm taking the "warm" day. Call me at home, 651-653-5639. I'll be up until about 10:00 tonight and getting up about 7:30 tomorrow. If not, maybe I'll see you there.

Any other freaks out there want to try it? I gotta send some pictures to my homies in AZ to show them real biking.

[RedSquirrel]

I'll be there in the am, see you on trail sometime.

I heard from someone in the know, thanks Scott. Now we're talking.

I guess I'll bag shovel'n the path around my house. Studs on.

[RedSquirrel]

Tom, Greg, good to see you out today. Recognized ya from afton trail work.

S.T., the snow removal effort of a few days ago was gallant but not enough. Wind transported & new snow covered areas recently removed. It's the right idea! Yes, remove the snow at entry & exit.

I was hopeful from snow removal efforts, but soon realized...I was NOT going the distance...legs we're pumping, heart was pounding, wheels we're spinning w/monster truck force but I was not going to speed....in my time of neeeed. It was like shingles on grease, if lucky shingles spewed out & rear got traction to propel forward...if lucky. Studs on helped.

So I bagged bike, & snow shoed the whole trail including expert loop! It took three hours non-stop. I drank & goo'd I as went (training you know). Anyway, we need a melt freeze. Boot tracks in areas are causing punch holes & steps... More snow shoe travel is needed to keep it flat until a melt freeze happens.

I blazed new trail per nicely placed signage (stayed off cc trails). My Tubbs 25 snow shoes (<$85) we're awesome. Threw'em on & never adjusted again.

Beginner trail is well packed by snow shoes, etc. & ride-able now or very soon.

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[tedsti]

So thats who's tracks I was following. I was totally running out of steam as I came up to the congregation area. I was also hurting with some snowshoe muscles I didn't know I had. When I saw your tracks that even came out of the XX, I soldiered on. I did have to take a shortcut at the end due to time constraints. It is definitely slower going than on the bike. Well, maybe not slower than Thursday's biking. :crazy2:

[fatbaldpop1]

If you guys go out and actually shovel please post photos of this epic event. I would love to direct some "foreigners" to the site and show them photos of people in MN "shoveling the forest..."

To be clear, I shovel the forest in an area near Deer River, MN several times a year for the exact same reason...never had courage to mention it before reading others talk about, though.

[gopherhockey]

If you guys go out and actually shovel please post photos of this epic event. I would love to direct some "foreigners" to the site and show them photos of people in MN "shoveling the forest..."

To be clear, I shovel the forest in an area near Deer River, MN several times a year for the exact same reason...never had courage to mention it before reading others talk about, though.

I wonder if we could get enough volunteers to actually come out and do this... would certainly make a great photo op!

[KleinCrazy]

I wonder if we could get enough volunteers to actually come out and do this... would certainly make a great photo op!

There is always my idea. 18" wide solid roller that is sitting outside the local hardware store for rent.

http://www.mower-magic.co.uk/acatalog/GARDEN_ROLLERS.html

Looks like one of these but would work great for smoothing down the snow in winter.

Only thing that might be a problem is no texture on the roller so it might slide instead of roll. Easy enough to fix but not on a rental unit.

We would just have to find a good 3 dog team to pull the stupid thing.

Or maybe have Bob or Eric build a fork that would fit this thing to a bike frame and just ride it around.

[gopherhockey]

We would just have to find a good 3 dog team to pull the stupid thing.

Lets see.. Bob, Ted... we just need a 3rd. ;)

Wonder if we could find a way to heat the roller slightly as well to leave a nice crust on top of the snow as necessary.

I've thought about rolling over the trail on a small dirtbike with balloon tires... I remember seeing something like that a while back.

Or maybe use one of these:

http://www.2moto.net/images/160x120/2Moto_001d.jpg


http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50442674/Snow_Plow.jpg

[KleinCrazy]

Wonder if we could find a way to heat the roller slightly as well to leave a nice crust on top of the snow as necessary.


Just fill it with hot water and that should do the trick.

[mtnbykr]

"shoveling the forest..."

you know, this tops the fall leafblowing exercise.

kl

[tedsti]

I am almost tempted to give it another go today. From yesterdays snowshoe, nobody has made it to the double yet. Even if I could get to the top of Dream II and back down (on the bike trail), I am sure it would be a workout.

[bigwheel]

Or maybe use one of these:

http://www.2moto.net/images/160x120/2Moto_001d.jpg



I can see it now...

"I's okay, officer. I'm a dirt boss. I'm just packing down the snow for the bicycles." :eyeroll:

[tedsti]

They have to catch him first!! I can see it now...

"I's okay, officer. I'm a dirt boss. I'm just packing down the snow for the bicycles." :eyeroll:

[gopherhockey]

I am almost tempted to give it another go today. From yesterdays snowshoe, nobody has made it to the double yet. Even if I could get to the top of Dream II and back down (on the bike trail), I am sure it would be a workout.

What time would u go? I might be able to go today or early tonight...

[RedSquirrel]

I did Jan's rock and all that stuff yesterday on snow shoe's. Other than one solo boot track, at times, expert loop was un-touched. I did the standard bike route in proper direction from parking with two passes through middle loop to dreamer exit. Look for my snow shoe log skinny balance efforts!

Dream II exit needs the most work as many boot tracks are on that exit. Looked like dog(s), and a group of boot travlelers went up backward via easy trail access. Boot holes & boot stair steps are probally still visible even with my best "tired" snow shoe drag methods.

It took three hours to do it all.

[Tim Wegner]

I snowshoed at Lebanon today. Looks to me like biking it would be no problem. I did not go on XX but everything else is well packed down and I think it is ready for bikes.

I laid out 3 re-routes for next year. One is the intermediate bypass. We will move the bike trail off of the ski trail so we have sustainablity. We will re-route the approach to the rock garden on the X loop. We will re-route the section that leads up to the disputed high spot in Lebanon Hills Park.

Not a lot of distance change but should eliminate some maintenance headaches. We won't have a lot of time for projects at Lebanon this year. I believe Murphy and Wirth? will take up much of our time. So just a enough work to keep everyone interested.

TW

[stoneage]

We would just have to find a good 3 dog team to pull the stupid thing.
Or one 'Buckthorn Killer';)

[tedsti]

Never made it out. By the time I was done messing around with stuff around the house it was 4 and I didn't feel like busting out the lights.

What time would u go? I might be able to go today or early tonight...

[bigwheel]

testing 1 2 3 This thread keeps showing up at the top of recent posts, with JL as the latest. However, Ted's 12/19 post is the most recent one displayed. Have fun tonight, everyone. Wish I could be there.

[gopherhockey]

Just another test - working out some bugs in the software.

Looks like things are working now.

[gopherhockey]

A few tried to ride the trail last night and turned back after just a short distance. Hopefully the warmer weather will give us some hardpack to ride on shortly. It was packed down pretty good, just choppy from hikers and still pretty powdery.

[RedSquirrel]

I'll be snow shoe'n Leb around lunch time Friday 12/23. I'm planning a 3 hour jaunt through it all. Expert loop needs it the most. Anybody in??

I wonder how the theo walk went tonight. I gotta beleive even with warm temps a shoe'n is a good thang...

[mara]

I wonder how the theo walk went tonight. I gotta beleive even with warm temps a shoe'n is a good thang...

The south facing slopes of the trail were melted almost to bare dirt, but I think the snowshoes helped compact the trail everywhere else. The stickier snow is a lot easier to work with than the fluffy powder of last week.

[transplant]

Does anyone think Leb will be rideable tomorrow?

[tedsti]

If you are going to ride, ride early before it gets above freezing. Even then it may be too soft. We definitely do not want to create ruts that will get frozen in for the rest of the winter.

[transplant]

If you are going to ride, ride early before it gets above freezing. Even then it may be too soft. We definitely do not want to create ruts that will get frozen in for the rest of the winter.

I was thinking very early, if at all. If there's even a slight chance of trail damage, I wouldn't consider going, period.

[RedSquirrel]

I just got back from snow shoe'n Leb. I spent just under three hours possibly in vain. Leb will not be ride-able even in the am for multiple days. Two reasons: it's punchy and it's not going to freeze solid enough.

I saw an 8 inch nightcrawler on the snow trail. Water mosture from the melt is causing parts of the ground to soften! We have a thermal effect from air and ground. I mean really, even at 8 below the ground is only 32 degrees, right, so a 1/4 of ground thaw makes sense. It was 45 degrees when I left Leb.

Anyway, i was surprised to find the trail (even as shoe'd as it was) mushy/punchy. What I mean is I sank 1 to 3 inches on the trail, on my shoes!! It's because of that "M" (http://snobear.colorado.edu/Markw/SnowHydro/Metamorph/eq.html) word. The new/cold snow, the beuatius ninga spiked crystals caused a float effect before. Now the snow crystals are melting leaving a pourus, punchy, bumpy forgiving base. I was bummed. I beleive it's not going to be ride-able for a while, we need a streak of 20 degrees. Mother. Mother Nature.

I avoided the expert loop and left it as is, we will see. I went standard route with everything but expert. I stomped baby steps on every incline and also did it before sharp down hill turns with trees. Too bad we won't be able to link to those sections I baby stepped on bike. Was it in vain? We'll see.

Even if it gets down to 30 all night, I don't think it's going to be do-able, seriously. The snow will be there after three days of 30+ temps. However, pourus sections I couldn't baby step will be impassible as tires will collapse any fro zone crust. I hope I'm wrong.

Studs will be needed no doubt once we're able to ride. Go shoe it this weekend if you can. Snow shoes, not boots.........

[transplant]

Bad news: No riding.:mad:


Good news: There will be be other days.:banana:

[gopherhockey]

THanks for the great update Heath! Looks like a stretch of warm weather might ruin my plans to ride while on vacation. Hope we don't lose all the snow thats out there.

[RedSquirrel]

This snowshoe thing is alright, I'm not getting sore anymore & got'er down.

Great x-training. I dragged one of my kids @ Leb today. 2.5 hours, finished @ 2pm (must work off all da'food!!). I cut over to expert entrance after rock garden, avoided expert loop & 4x4'ed through woods to bypass uphill in dream 2.

Still plenty of snow on the trail. Still soft in most places. No bare spots, lots of ice in exposed beginning area. I saw one rider at exit. He had 4 inch wide tires on a surly geared rig. He said he hiked alot & it was still a bit too soft.

I saw his tracks, I'm happy to report my previous baby step snowshoe effort rule. He rode most of my efforts. Today my shoes didn't sink much as I hauled junior around in a sled. The snow is granular like a million ball bearings. It was not crunchy, it was like a loose snowball & better in packed sections. The melt freeze over this week will not dissipate the snow but will eventually consolodate it into an icey crunch.
:banana:

It's not solid or too crunchy yet. His enourmos tire tracks left a few washed out sections. Boot prints also left deep punch holes. I covered best I could.

So avoid if > 30 degree temps or it will be harder next time out! Basically hike off the trail & use common sense. Snowshoes good, sled on trail good, boots on trail bad, dog poop on trail bad, bike on trail when warm bad. But whadda I know.

If you go expect to hike-a-bike half the time. Expert loop will be all hike-a-bike as it's way too soft to ride. This is my 3rd trip w/my bike yet didn't ride past parking lot view. Soon enough! Snowshoes good. Perhaps Thurs. Eve.

[gopherhockey]

Heath, Ted, Bob and I rode Leb this morning. It was about.. oh.. 80% rideable I'd say. Some pretty tough spots. The X loop was surprisingly good on out through Dream to the end. The toughest was the first half of the trail I'd say.

Not sure if it will last like this. The ruts we put into the snow probably will make it more difficult for others to follow.

[gopherhockey]

Well... all our packing is now covered with a layer of wet snow...

I wonder if we should do another stomping of the snowshoes soon... might actually fill in what was there and actually turn out better in the long run.

[Buck]

Well... all our packing is now covered with a layer of wet snow...

I wonder if we should do another stomping of the snowshoes soon... might actually fill in what was there and actually turn out better in the long run.

I was out there this afternoon shooting some vid, it is actually not that bad at all, I would have ridden, but I didn't have my stuff with. definitly not enough snow for snow shoes...
L8R
Buck

[gopherhockey]

I was out there this afternoon shooting some vid, it is actually not that bad at all, I would have ridden, but I didn't have my stuff with. definitly not enough snow for snow shoes...
L8R
Buck

Hmmm... what part of the trail were you on?

Aside from under the pines, there was a ton of snow out there. We need more snowshoe traffic for sure.

With more foot traffic riding might be an option. As of right now I think it will only do damage for the rest of us.

[gopherhockey]

A ew of us rode today. It was maybe 50% ridable. Could use more traffic... and less new snow. If it keeps going this way a Pugsly might be in my future.. probably the only bike that would have much luckout there at this time.

[RedSquirrel]

Mother Nature is on our side. Rain will make any ultra unpacked area punchy. Need to pack it down then enjoy for many o days after the mid-week freeze. We shouldn't ride until later this week post pack. Mon.&Tues. aft. critical packing days.

I'm available later today for a mini pack effort w/kidz in sleds. I'll have to haul 2 of 3 kids (will make for a shorter effort on my part). I'll be packing backwards again. Post up if late afternoon works & you want to laugh at me struggle w/kidz. I might just go to theo...

[gopherhockey]

I might be up for a hike this afternoon... letcha know in a bit.

[RedSquirrel]

Snowshoe'd dream backwards to expert entrance, took shortcut to rock garden n X loop & went out the in. The 10 yr old shoe'd it all! The younger was on sled in tow.

Trail condidtions are un-rideable. A pugsly & perhaps a WTB tire track made it around w/lots'zo hike-a-bike & wash outs recently. Appears a slew of folks started out bike/hike-a-biking then decided it was too tough & headed back out the in. The result is a mush fest w/holes & slide outs for first 1.5 miles.

We flattened out slaughter holes as we trod along out. W/temps near freezing, ground & blanket of snow will take days to gel frozen. Shoe it or leave it. Tuesday is a critical warm day, might want to leave it flat or shoe it only.

[gopherhockey]

Ted and I shoed Dream II and the XX tonight.. should help set the entire trail up for a good freeze and hopefully we'll get back to riding.

Soggy is right. Bikes should stay off until at least Thursday night - we may have to wait and see and maybe postpone the ride. There were some tracks in the soggy stuff that took some effort to smooth over. if it were to freeze like that it would be bad.

Come on colder weather!

[jaybird]

Any update on the trail conditions due to the colder weather?

[gopherhockey]

Any update on the trail conditions due to the colder weather?

Excellent conditions! We rode probably 98% and could have done 100% if we tried harder.

Get out there before it warms up! Even the XX is good!

The worst section is the X between the rock garden and the XX entrance where it didn't get as much foot traffic... but its still ok.

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Excellent conditions! We rode probably 98% and could have done 100% if we tried harder.

Making use of studs yet? Or will my Timberwolves hook up sufficiently?

I'm heading out in about an hour or two. Maybe I'll bring both sets and experiment.

[tedsti]

The area in the pine trees is pretty icy but the ice is rough so there is some traction to be had without studs. The rest of the trail is just hard snow. Studs will help but won't be needed. I think I would rather have 2.5-7 Timberwolves vs 2.1s with studs for the current conditions. Or just stud up your wolves for the best of both worlds!!

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Leb was a blast this afternoon. Completely rideable. As the previous post said, the X loop from the rock garden to the start of the XX loop was less packed and harder riding. Everything else was great. I was really happy to find the XX so nice. The logdrop/rockdescent/tabletop/logride section was especially fun. Thanks to whoever snowshoed the rock. Many thanks. Many thanks to everyone who put in time and effort to get the trail in good condition for this freeze.

I posted a couple of photos in my GALLERY (http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=1965&size=big&cat=500&ppuser=1735).

Notice that John has been riding his straight XC setup all Winter. Very capable. An inspiration to us all. All this crap I bought to keep me riding in the snow isn't necessary. Nice, but not necessary.

[gopherhockey]

']Many thanks to everyone who put in time and effort to get the trail in good condition for this freeze.

You are quite welcome! We have a small crew that worked quite a bit to try get Leb back to where it is right now... we figure if anything else it was good exercises stomping around out there. Knowing others are riding it makes it all worth while!

Its such a different trail in the snow... rocks are hidden, log piles now feel like big dirt jumps... and bridges.. well... bridges feel a bit more scary (at least to me). Its super fun! I encourage more to get out there when the temps are cool enough like now. Once it warms up again things won't be so great.

Oh, and Scott - thanks for posting pics in the gallery!!

[goatgirl]

We rode at leb last night Friday, I had a smile from ear to ear the whole time. The only tricky spot was after the rock garden and before the entrance to the xx section. The snow was heavier and less traveled. We noticed a short cut people had been using after the rock garden to access the entrance to the xx. If people would just ride the section instead of using the cut off the trail would pack and it would be fine. We hope to get out early today and ride again, before it gets too warm.

Happy trails to you,

Lisa:banana:

[Eric]

I just got done riding a full lap, with a temp of 36. Trail is great; there were only a couple of soft spots (edge of the pines and the rock garden). In the soft areas, I could not see any deep tire tracks. The ones doing the stomping have done an excellent job.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[gopherhockey]

Ted and I did a lap today at about 33 degrees. It was definitely softening up out there. Dream was soft on the downhill, and many uphill turns were getting pretty bad. I'd probably suggest thin tires should stay off until it cools down as they seem to be digging in a bit more.

The forecast doesn't look too bad for continued riding. Hopefully it doesn't warm up as much as they say next weekend.

It was my first ride on my new 1x1 singlespeed winter bike today... overall a success! Thanks Ted for all the suggestions as I was building it up. Next time less air in the tires and I'll have to check that my front brake isn't engaged - might help on the climbs. I am happy to say I cleaned everything including the camelback and Ted's log... woohooo! :D

(my back is definitely sore tho....)

[RedSquirrel]

It was my first ride on my new 1x1 singlespeed winter bike today... overall a success!

OMG he's gots SS. Glad it went well & it appears your ok with SS. I wouldn't have guess'd u on ss after some of those Thurs. night comments. :D

I'm jealous as I haven't rode mine long enough to claim success. In fact the last time I rode was with u all. It's my once a year back thang. :cryin: Still going, so frustrated. Any day and I'll be confident enough to ride again.

Thursday I can't stomp but post up when going, I'm all about keep'n Leb winter ride-able. I'm so glad all the work has been ridden on and enjoyed!!

[mtnbykr]

It was my first ride on my new 1x1 singlespeed winter bike today...

pictures?? did you go w/ the 3.0/large marge setup??

kl

[gopherhockey]

pictures?? did you go w/ the 3.0/large marge setup??

kl

Here are a few pics (sorry bout the off-topic.. tough not to be a proud papa). It doesn't have the LMs but 2.7" timberwolf tires with some wicked "Ted's special" studs. Mostly did this for winter use, but I'll get some summer rims on it for those rare occasions when I want to feel the Zen of the SS life... ;)


http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture_049.jpg (http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=1970&size=big&cat=500&ppuser=1)

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture_051.jpg (http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=1972&size=big&cat=&ppuser=1)

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/500/medium/Picture_050.jpg (http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=1971&size=big&cat=&ppuser=1)

[mtnbykr]

....those rare occasions when I want to feel the Zen of the SS life...

don't you mean the suffering of ss life. :?)

nice setup.

kl

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It was my first ride on my new 1x1 singlespeed winter bike today...(my back is definitely sore tho....)

My first few SS rides were rather hard on my quads and lower back. A few weeks have made a big difference. Rode Leb a couple of days ago without any residual lactic. Wirth today. All is well and adjusted. I am well adjusted.

How are you liking the Timberwolf 2.7s? I haven't ridden studs since I got mine. In fact, I'm liking them so much that I've been pulling my wheels off every night and tucking them in to bed with me.

I'm interested to see how their footprint on a Large Marge compares to them mounted on my Rhyno Lites.

[gopherhockey]

']

How are you liking the Timberwolf 2.7s? I haven't ridden studs since I got mine. In fact, I'm liking them so much that I've been pulling my wheels off every night and tucking them in to bed with me.



I love these tires! I have been known to take them into the shower with me when I'm feeling special.. but in bed, thats just downright strange ;) haha.

[mtnbykr]

I love these tires! I have been known to take them into the shower with me when I'm feeling special.. but in bed, thats just downright strange ;) haha.

who makes the timberwolfs?? wtb?? how low psi can you run??

thx for deleting my 2nd and 3rd post. something strange was happeneing w/ our connection...

kl

[SuperClydesdale]

who makes the timberwolfs?? wtb?? how low psi can you run??

thx for deleting my 2nd and 3rd post. something strange was happeneing w/ our connection...

kl

Kurt

Ya - they are from WTB. I have 2.7s on my 1x1 too. Slow as molasses, but that could be me.

Cheap as heck here: http://www.blueskycycling.com/product1065_52_-WTB-Timberwolf-Race-Kevlar-Tire.htm.

Mark

[gopherhockey]

who makes the timberwolfs?? wtb?? how low psi can you run??

thx for deleting my 2nd and 3rd post. something strange was happeneing w/ our connection...

kl

I ran around 40psi (by mistake) but normally run around 28-35 in them. With home-made studs we suspect lower pressure might create more issues, so you can probably go even lower without. I also put wider rims on the bike to accomodate them. I think all the tires in the line run very big for the size they state (which is good for winter conditions)

[FormerFarmKing]

I rode Leb on Saturday and it was in good shape. It has not had as much usage at the 'Bottoms and is not nearly as fast. Nokians were hooking up well.

[Wolfchimp]

Dave- Welcome to the Forums!

[FormerFarmKing]

Thanks Porter. Hopefully we'll hook up at Mammoth this Spring for a ride or two.

[mtnbykr]

Kurt--
Mark

thanks... :?)

kl

[mtnbykr]

I think all the tires in the line run very big for the size they state (which is good for winter conditions)

thanks,

kl

[gopherhockey]

Rode this afternoon - temps around 24. It was perfect... light snow covered the trail, but about 3 riders had gone before me. I was the only one on the XX aside from a lot of wildlife.

[Nuget]

Just wondering if Leb is in ok condition to ride tomorrow(saturday). The warm up has probably started some melting and I don't want to ruin any trails. Anyone ride down there in the past couple days?

Thanks

[tedsti]

I think that as long as the temps have been below freezing for the previous 12 hours, it should be OK.

[Nuget]

Thanks Ted. Looks like it should be plenty cold tonight and i'll get out tomorrow before it even hits 30. Been awhile since i've ridden Leb. Make this my first winter ride out there.

Thanks for the info Ted

[rgg2201473]

Lisa and I rode Leb this evening and it was as grand and spectacular as it ever gets. The trail was really great - packed snow, crusty and frozen and fast and with just the right temperature to see your breath reflecting the bright light of the full moon. With the pure white snow on the ground reflecting the bright moonlight, you could see all the details of the forest. It's really quite a sight to watch your riding partner riding a section of trail and all you can hear is the crunch of the tires on the hard packed snow and the beam from the lights glowing on a section of trail you just did.
It's amazing to me that the parking lot can be full to overflowing on a summer evening and yet have only two cars in the lot on a night like tonight. There were two other riders who had just gotten there right before us and those were the only other riders we saw.
You owe it to yourself to get out there and ride a winter night ride and right now the conditions are absolutely perfect.
We'll be riding it again this weekend I'm sure so... hope to see you there too.

[bigwheel]

Hi Rodney, That was Ted (tedsti) and me. It was good meeting you. Your van was gone by the time we got back. I hope you got your chain fixed and were able to finish the ride.

It was excellent conditions, with hard packed snow over the entire trail. The rock gardens were almost completely covered, turning even the XX into an intermediate level trail. It should be excellent again this morning before it has a chance to warm up.

[gopherhockey]

As of yesterday conditions at Leb are almost like riding on the dirt. First I thought night riding was the best.. now I'm starting to think snow riding is right up there as well. Summer and dirt? How boring... ;)

[goatgirl]

;)We rode again today, Sunday, even with the warmer temps it was not bad riding. Only a few spots where the snow was a bit soft. The packed trail is holding up really nicely. We didn't see any other riders today, too bad for them. I saw the biggest deer print ever today, if I didn't know better I'd think it was a moose. Moose prints are different.. it must have been 4 inches across, at least 1 inch between the two cloves of the hoof. I know there's a big buck back there, I sure hope he's friendly to bikers. Would the park be open for a bonfire? Rodney and I thought it might be fun to have a gathering on Friday nights, maybe do a bonfire at the camp grounds, and socialize a bit afterward. Don't know who to ask about it.. any suggestions?

[mtnbykr]

.. now I'm starting to think snow riding is right up there as well.

we've been trying to tell you that for awhile now... :?)

kl

[FormerFarmKing]

Yes, Leb was most excellent yesterday! Icy in the pines, but epic everywhere else.

A buddy of mine and I had an interesting run in with that large buck this past Fall. We were on a night ride and saw him on one lap and then saw him several times on our next lap. Too Hotty was leading the lap and he came face to face with the buck in a charging, snorting pose. His head was down near the ground and was ready to take us out. It was pretty wild.

[Magic]

No loss, just Farm Team members. Plus Too Hotty had that doe in estrus scent on. I told him it would make the deer go crazy!

[FormerFarmKing]

The trail was very tough on Tuesday night, but we put in about 2-1/2 hours anyways. The snow was slippery and it made for a challenging ride, unless you were the guy punishing us on his Pugsley. Last night was the perfect night for those 3.7" tires.

[RedSquirrel]

Rode Leb 2.5 hours today on my SS, 32x19. I only had a front brake, youza.

No big issues. Studs are not required however they sure helped me dig my way up those hills. Jan's rock was a scare with just a front brake.

The camel back was virgin. Took 5 times but finally popped it. A 3 inch wide by 3ft long canyon resides just after turn prior to camel. The tire trough made it quite tricky. Nice challenge.

My second ride on my single speed. I will say it was absolutley a gas. Felt like a 10,oooft ride at times. It will have a time and place for training. It will be hard not to ride it cause it so fun, but if I do all summer, I'll end up a constant torn muscle without endurance.

Thanks Larry for the post about your distance....it gave me the push past hesitation to do another lap.

[FormerFarmKing]

Yesterday we had a train of 7 bikers at Leb and conditions were good. The SE metro received more snow last week and the trail is still not as fast or packed as the 'Bottoms or Wirth. If you stray off of the trail you pay for it.

[tedsti]

We have some warm weather coming up. Please stay off of the trail if the temps are/have been above freezing. We want to make sure that we don't create ruts in the slushy snow that will freeze up and be there for weeks.

[gopherhockey]

We have some warm weather coming up. Please stay off of the trail if the temps are/have been above freezing. We want to make sure that we don't create ruts in the slushy snow that will freeze up and be there for weeks.

There is also some bare dirt showing through the snow in some areas. We'll end up having to close the trail early if people keep riding during warm-ups. (we should maybe try throwing some snow over these areas..)

Lets hope it doesn't stay so much warmer than normal - would be nice to continue riding right up to spring and only have to close Leb for a few weeks.

[dave t]

I rode a lap tonight and the trail is in great shape. I am on 2.4 Mutanoraptors running soft but without any studs at all.
If there was any bare ice out there from the rain and warm weather, the snow has bonded to it very well because I rarely slipped. The edges of the trail still grab on and pull you in if you get sloppy but it seems like the sweet spot is getting a bit wider.
The only bare dirt on the trail was in the pines and there was quite a bit there but it was frozen solid with a few small ruts when I was there (from 7:30 to 8:30 wednesday night).
I skipped XX because I was feeling a bit bonkish by the time the junction came around but I'm sure it was in great shape too. I think I misjudged my pace riding alone.

[bigwheel]

Thanks, Dave. I thought Leb would be a swamp right now.

[goatgirl]

looks like the weather is cooling down, the trail should be great for the weekend.:banana:

[bigwheel]

We rode Leb last night. 2-3 inches of new snow plus a layer of crust that made riding a little tougher. Plus it looks like someone rode it on Thursday and left a set of ruts that are now frozen in :mad:

There is a big tree down in the XX, just after the log ride. You'll have to hand your bike over and crawl through. I'll bring the chainsaw along today, but it's doubtful that we'll get in there on foot to take the tree out.

The trail should be better shape today, now that there are a few sets of tracks to bust through the crust and pack some snow into the ruts.

(btw, we are riding there at noon today 2/4)

[bigwheel]

Lots of riders have been to Leb now. The trail is broken in and the ruts have snow packed in them. So, it's now in a lot better shape than it was on Friday night.

There is a packed area to ride on in the middle of the trail. If you venture off of the packed area, be prepared to go over the handlebars.

[Rocky Mountain]

Rode Leb. today, Stupor Bowl Sunday., and like Bob said it is in really good shape. This will las t as long as it stays cold since there is a layer of ice under the small amount of snow. Ride it will you can!

[FormerFarmKing]

We had a train of 5 yesterday on a 3 lap tour and helped to pack the trail down. As mentioned, Leb is in great condition and will continue to get better as people ride it. Ice is no worry with Nokians.

[gopherhockey]

We had a group ride today. There was some fresh powder on the ground with just a few tracks showing through. (and a few hiker tracks)

In the pines there is some tricky ice to watch out for if you don't have studs. Otherwise studs aren't required (but are nice to have) on the rest of the trail. Please be careful if not using studs anywhere in the pine tree areas.

There is some mud showing through toward the end of the beginner trail. We'll have to try find some snow to pack on top... or that will be he spot that gets the trail closed the earliest. I hope we can have another good month of riding yet, but we'll see... if the trail starts showing through due to the warm sun we'll have to shut it all down.

The XX isn't near as packed in as the rest of the trail, and beware for the big tree thats still down after the tabletop jump... we are already discussing what fun we can have with that tree :p

[RedSquirrel]

Hit the trail at 7:30am today(busy w/kids this aft). Decided to ignor the road training I should be doing. Good choice. Went for a long long long Leb ride. Yes that long. It was perfect. 32x20 was perfect. Saw pugsly beast tracks but no sighting. Saw 3 other riders.

Oh, the topic is trail conditions.... Last time I was there the snow made wafer cookie sounds(1 inch ice crunch), today it felt/sounded like riding on oreo's, not double stuff either (gripy packed snow).

So fun...so much snow!! PERFECT!!!

John's comments & snow cover stands accurate. Go ride before warm up or the "County Mud" starts showing it's un-popular face.

[FormerFarmKing]

The trail is in sweet shape and much less icy than either the 'Bottoms or Wirth. Most of the trail at Leb is actually snow instead of a dusting of snow on top of a sheet of ice. There were quite a few riders out on Sunday afternoon after seeing no one the week before which was much colder.

[fatbaldpop1]

I sneaked out there today over the late lunch hour:
-parking lot would be great for curling
-trail is as good as it gets
-boy is there a big tree down in the XX trail... don't my way around well enough to describe, other than about 100 metres before teeter.

[bigwheel]

Thursday night 2/23/06

Excellent conditions. A mix of packed snow, ice and some bare spots in the pines. The trail is starting to get fast.

Studs are not required, but recommended. There are a few icy patches on the dream trail, so be careful if you are not studly.

[gopherhockey]

We're getting close to the end of winter riding... unfortunately.

There are many bare spots at Lebanon that are getting quite muddy. If you are going to ride, ride early... I think we're in our last week of riding at Leb unless we get some snow. Look for the orange fences to go up soon, then be patient until we open back up late April.

[gopherhockey]

If you can get out and ride early in the week, do so.... it might be the last. More and more bare spots are showing. To be responsible we need to close it down when those areas turn to mudd.

Spread the word to those that you know to not assume Leb will be open next weekend... and once its closed lets try keep people off until its officially opened up.

Stay tuned here for official closing info... I'd hate for people to get to the lot to find the orange fence up.

[jeffgude]

Time to start road-riding. That's where I was today. There's nothing like the open road, 34 degrees, and a northwest wind to make you wish for spring.

[Tim Wegner]

and speaking of spring----John. Bob, Ted and I spent several hours at Lebanon today planning some re-routes. If Dakota County apporves our routes look for some really cool stuff for this spring build time. We are even looking at building an awesome uphill, rock armoured switchback.

TW

[gopherhockey]

and speaking of spring----John. Bob, Ted and I spent several hours at Lebanon today planning some re-routes. If Dakota County apporves our routes look for some really cool stuff for this spring build time. We are even looking at building an awesome uphill, rock armoured switchback.

TW

... and as always, thanks to Tim for his expertise in flagging and trail layout. These will be fun changes that will make Lebanon even better! Last year was a slow year work and maintenance-wise at Leb. Look for more trailwork sessions this year. Hopefully some of these changes will allow us to continue to keep Lebanon open in the winter... but we'll need help!

[Paul Swenson]

My brother and I fianlly made it out to Leb for a winter ride yesterday. Man was that fun. Sorry to hear it's being closed for the season but I did notice that some spots were getting muddy.

I have something new to look forward to next winter.

As the bruise on my behind will attest to, I wish I had studded tires.

[bigwheel]

Tim, thanks for lending your trail layout expertise. It's interesting seeing all of the factors that go into deciding where the trail can go. If approved, the new sections will be a great addition to Leb.

I'm still hoping we can go ahead with the rocky reroute. If we are able to pull it off, that could become the most interesting (and most difficult) section in all of leb. However, it will be a lot of work, so we'll have to make sure we have plenty of volunteers before taking it on.

[bigwheel]

I just wanted to add to John's comments about trail condition.

We are into the time of year where the pesky sunshine is melting the ground, causing mud (and ruts). Even with the temp below freezing, the bright sun is melting several spots. So, if you decide to ride, please limit your rides to the morning, when the trail is still frozen.

It won't be long now and we'll have to close off the trail until after spring thaw (mid April??). If you see the orange fences, please switch over to road riding for a while. If you see others riding the trail, politely yell at them and call them nasty names. This is the time of year when it is easiest to damage the trail and delay its season opening.

Thanks.

[The Goat Killer]

We are into the time of year where the pesky sunshine is melting the ground, causing mud (and ruts).

And ICE. Mud and ruts HURT the trail, ICE hurts the body (without studs). :hit:

[gopherhockey]

The trail was ... for lack of a better word... foamy tonight. There are some real nasty wet and muddy areas in the beginner loop. PLEASE just pick up your bike OR ride STRAIGHT through.

The X and XX are in good shape still, but rocks are starting to peek out and gather warmth.. it won't be long now.

Watch for a Thursday night (possible) ride that might just be our last winter ride of the year.

[gopherhockey]

Trail actually wasn't too bad tonight... we had to walk our bikes in 4 sections of the beginner loop as we exited the trail - other than that it was pretty good, but studs required! Lots of ice. There are sections where you actually start to break through ice as well.

Lets monitor it tomorrow - if we get another couple of warm days we'll close it down. My guess is if people plan their rides before noon we could keep it open one more weekend.

[berrywise]

Watch for a Thursday night (possible) ride that might just be our last winter ride of the year.

Last winter ride? I haven't even had my first! is this like seeing a robin for the first time? Is spring already upon us? rejoice! rejoice!

[gopherhockey]

Dakota County has contacted us regarding the closing down of the trail until things dry up. I am very pleased that they are showing concern regarding the bike trails!

We are talking to Dakota about closing the trails down as soon as possible. Perhaps there is a few more days to ride out there, but with any amount of mudd showing it is really the responsible thing to close things down and hope that riders keep off. This is the time that is most critical - if riders do not follow the rules and stay off, we won't be riding at all next winter.

I know that all of you who ride in the winter have really enjoyed your time out there. At times the trail was packed so well it was almost like riding in the middle of the summer. I hope that everyone who has enjoyed winter riding will help us spread the word and help us keep others from riding the trail. More than any other spring we are being watched to see if we can successfully keep people off.

PLEASE pass the word along... if the orange fences are up, keep off.

[fatbaldpop1]

I rode at 7:45 am this morning. Trail was awesome and ride was guilt free. There is evidence of people riding in a couple of spots where tires rode through the mud, though. This was especially true in the exit section which gets exposed to the southern sun. Those sections were frozen solid this a.m.

Great to hear Park System is monitoring...parking lot continues to be the most dangerous area for ice!!

[RedSquirrel]

With ground frozen & temps below/near freexing I snagged my bike at lunch, did a few laps mid-day. Nice clouds kept her cold on surface. Get it while it's still open...fro-zone.

The many days shoe'n & dragging my kids through seemed to pay dividends (hat's off to all riders, bossman and leb crew this year). 95% of trail snow/ice. I had studs, highly reccomened! I few times it was leggo of brakes & hope for traction. The exit down hills have big consequences... careful or you'll have a tree named after you...good times. My lap times we're 83% of my summer lap times.

It's going to warm up fast tomorrow, go frozen or be tread by the mtn bike dragon. :evil:

All previous posts on conditions are true. The trail sounded like eggs fry'n in a pan most of the way(studs on ICE). A few sections sounded like a layer of cherio's under da bike(1/4 inch of CRUNCH). Yep, a few, very few sections made a trickle sound like a mountian stream(non-snow thin mud :mad: ). Very few snow snakes or soft....but it's out there. As you can tell I was cherio about the ride.

I sure hope the County see's us behave and allows us to repeat next year.

Be good B&G's

[RedSquirrel]

Note John's comments below.

Due to warm weather trail will be closed off soon.

Obey or no more Winter riding next year.

It was such a good season it would be a shame to miss out next year.

[gopherhockey]

I think if people are going to ride this weekend that Sat. morning is the best bet... it was below freezing I think all day today so I'm guessing we have until it gets above freezing to get any last rides in.

[bikeoutback]

I thought about putting the bike rack on, getting the bike out, finding some warmer clothes.... and maybe giving it a go. Then I realized it's 36 degrees outside (according to little thermometer at my house may be off) and it's partly sunny. I'm not even gonna go through the trouble of getting everything together. Goal though this summer is to get into shape to ride well at next falls group rides (both laps) and make set of studs for the winter.

Main reason for posting: It's 36 degrees and partly sunny here (about 3 miles from Leb) probably a bad idea to ride anymore there.

[gopherhockey]

We rode this morning before it hit 30... but it was sunny out and warming up fast. Even the wet spots were still wet.

The sheriff was out walking the trails as well. My guss is we will see fences go up Monday if not this weekend.

I agree, its no longer good to ride out there. its bad for the trails if not dangerous.

I'm washing up my winter wheels and gear and getting ready to pull out the summer stuff.... :cryin:

[gopherhockey]

This is what parts of the trail are starting to look like:

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/513/medium/Picture_0231.jpg (http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=2146&size=big&cat=recent&limit=recent)

Tell me this isn't damaging the trails.... if you see this it is much better to get off and walk around. As Ted demonstrates... the ground is solid enough on each side to walk without damaging the sides of the trail or causing trail creep. (normally one should ride straight through)

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/513/medium/Picture_0241.jpg

[tedsti]

I'm so responsible :crazy2:

I could be a role model. Underwear model, no... role model, maybe.

[Tim Wegner]

If we don't stay off of the trails now when damage is being done I would guess that Dakota County could very easily say that the winter riding "experiment" was a failure.

If you want to keep riding at Leb in the future winters then be responsible and stay OFF when you leave a track like the ones in the pictures!.
TW

[gopherhockey]

Although its difficult to fight mother nature, I think there might be a few things we can do next winter to help fix the few trouble areas that opened up early. I agree that we need to stay off, but also that we have some good experience from this winter to help with the next.

Lets get he orange fences up, the riders off, and show Dakota what a success this winter has been.

Everyone please do your part to get the word out on how important this is - even more this year than any other as we are being watched closely!

[funky-funky-chicken]

I think a winter re-route would be a good idea for next year. The section of trail is from where Dream comes into the beginner to the parking log is fun. With its exposure to southern sun, it seems to be the most vulnerable to the dreaded freeze, thaw cycle even when it is COLD outside. Route riders backwards on the beginner trail from that intersection to the parking lot. That section of trail is much more shaded.

Winter riding at LH was phenomenal this year, I would really HATE to loose the privilege for next year.

[gopherhockey]

I like the re-route idea.

I think we will be able to keep on winter biking. As far as I can tell we had no issues with the skiiers... and we probably dominated trail usage by a long shot. I think if we can keep off this spring and do some re-routes this summer we'll have another great year of winter riding in store.

[gopherhockey]

I just got word from Mike Adams, Park Maintenance Supervisor for Dakota County, that the bike, ski and hiking trails at Lebanon Hills have been closed until further notice. This includes orange fencing and the parking lot gates.

Please pass this along to anyone you know that might still be riding or think that riding conditions are ok.

[bigwheel]

We got a chance today to take a peek at the two Leb entrances. Looks like nobody has been riding the trail lately. So for *everyone*, THANKS! :banana: :banana: :banana:

The trail will likely remain closed until the end of April, so please be patient. Once the snow is gone, it will take several weeks for the ground to thaw and the moisture to go away. Until then, please stick to road riding.

Thanks again.

[superfastaction]

Thanks for the update! Is there any trailbuilding going on at Lebanon prior to the ribbon cutting ceremony?

[gopherhockey]

Thanks for the update! Is there any trailbuilding going on at Lebanon prior to the ribbon cutting ceremony?

We are thinking about starting up some trailwork as soon as we can safely walk around without damaging the trails. We may be out there soon scoping things out - stay tuned for more trailwork updates....

[dopey048]

I think you better watch what you say.

[nigel]

Lets all try and please be respectful of each other here. Should not have to say more than that.

[pwpatton]

YEA, you poopy head!
I think you better watch what you say.

[superfastaction]

Wow. What a moron. Thanks for the IM Tiger Lilly, but no thanks. Go suck your own dancing banana. Why don't you get some balls of your own and plug in your real name so I can kick your ass when I get to Denver?

What the hell?? :fool:

[dopey048]

My guess would be Denver, IA. What happened the cows and sheep went to bed and your feeling loney?

Don't hate me because I'm a veteran and I spent 8 years of my life defending the rights of piss ant jerk offs like you.

[bakkeb]

I don't think you pansies need to worry about when "leb" gets ready to ride, you should be more concerned with how long it will take for balls to drop so you can ride some real trails.:banana:

Who are you calling pansies when you have a name like Tiger Lilly. You are on crack like the rest of the people in CO.:jumpy:
Why are you commenting on a MN mountain bike forum if you are in CO? Go piss off somebody else.

[incendiarySYS]

Dude you're not from Denver, you're from the metro area and you're probably one of the little b*tches that had to be asked politely to stay off the closed trail. You're not a hardcore biker or you'd care enough to be a member and donate you're time. It's sad that only thing you seem to be passionate about is giving other people a hard time.

[soupboy]

Who is this alledged Denverite that everyone is attacking? I tried to go back a few pages and could not find them.

I rode Leb today. Too bad you have to fly like 12 hours ahead to get there.

[superfastaction]

Hey... now it all makes sense!

Wow... I guess you guys showed ol' MORC. Poach the trails you did nothing to build. Insult the members. You kids are so cool. And you ride platforms? sweeeeeet! I'm learning to ride clipless, myself. :kiss:

[superfastaction]

Mabey the people who encourage this winter riding didn't notice but there is not much snow cover, news flash pre-madona bikers, this causes nasty rutting leading to very unpleasant riding conditions.

Yeah. The snow, like... melted or something. So the conditions were bad when you rode Lebanon the other day?

[soupboy]

I was guessing on the hours ahead. Since you're an idiot, I'll point out to you that Lebanon is another country, in the Middle East. Yes, I was wrong, Lebanon is only 8 hours ahead of CST. BTW, moron, Bike Guru is a title bestowed by the site, not me.

If I wanted to talk to your dad about counseling on intimate matters I'd ask you grandpa. You know, honey, the guy your family members refer to as King Tophole.

Also, if you want to be a jerk, learn to spell pre-madona.

[transplant]

Who is this troll?

[stoneage]

Just goes to show that the meth problem hasn't been contained. What a nitwit!!!!:mad:

[bakkeb]

Tiger Lilly is an idiot and a F'in wuss. Is there anyway we can keep him off the site? You know what would actually work best...all members just disregard his exsistance and any post's or replies he gives. I hope he is one of those punks riding Leb. Cause if I catch him he's done for. :etard:

[bigwheel]

Who is this troll?

I'm guessing it was one of the panty wastes that was caught poaching the trail this weekend.

[pwpatton]

So when is the trail opening?

[superfastaction]

ok... this is your last chance Tiger Lilly... Stop these posts, or we put the seat back on your bike. :banana:

[superfastaction]

So when is the trail opening?

Um.. good question. This morning there was no rain in the forecast, but now the National Weather Service sez:

Tuesday: A 50 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms

.. so that's going to throw a wrench in things. It's going to be pushing 70 degrees all week tho, and CRC had the garage door open today! :D

[syntaxjunkie]

Drat. Looks like I just missed the surest sign of Spring: The return of the North American Testosterone Crazed Moronic Wackjob (idioticus maximus) to the MORC forums. And me without my binoculars.

[tedsti]

Big brother turned on the moron filter and his posts keep disappearing.

Who is this alledged Denverite that everyone is attacking? I tried to go back a few pages and could not find them.

[flombe]

Don't let this moron waste your time. Ignore. Move on. His hard-on will subside and he will disappear.

[mtnbykr]

If being if being a "hardcore biker" entails riding in the snow, which seems to be encouraged through pictures posted on this site, count me out.

figgures. all talk, no walk...

[Tim Wegner]

TL is playing you guys. He likes to get you going and has been succesful. Ignore and then edit posts like the ones that TL has been adding to the forums. Obviously from his grammer and spelling he lacks true knowledge of trail building, trail respect and appreciation for what others have done to give him a trail to ride so he can complain about it. IF he truly lives in Denver area I am sure he has no involvement with a trail crew in the area either.

My attitude towards his posts was: "Don't know ya, don't care, your attitudes shows me you don't know squat about trails I'm ignoring you.
TW

[gopherhockey]

Whoa! Gone for half a day and chaos starts. Sorry I wasn't quicker on the delete key. Thanks Ted and others for your moderation of this morons posts.

As forums like ours get more popular and club momentum grows it will be common to have this type of person stop by now and then to try stir things up. It just shows how strong we have become and how good our trails are becoming. I would have been upset a while back but now I just pity the guy... he's missing out and it shows.

Now back to Leb conditions!

[Trevize1138]

John, you're a fun hater. :crazy:

[Don Youngdahl]

TL is playing you guys. He likes to get you going and has been succesful.


If the Forum would enfore a policy of requiring a full name for everybody that posts, then there would be fewer posts like the one being discussed. Or do we all enjoy getting rilied up about outrageous statements?

A long time ago I was suckered into an e-mail exchange regarding a trail issue with Trail God (who knows, maybe you're on this forum under a different handle), and I vowed that I would never respond or take seriously anything negative written by someone who didn't provide their full name. That's a good way to keep from getting upset by morons.

Don Youngdahl

[berrywise]

If the Forum would enfore a policy of requiring a full name for everybody that posts, then there would be fewer posts like the one being discussed.
Nothing to stop people from making up a name.

Or do we all enjoy getting rilied up about outrageous statements?
Sadly, I think people enjoy it greatly.

A long time ago I was suckered into an e-mail exchange regarding a trail issue with Trail God (who knows, maybe you're on this forum under a different handle), and I vowed that I would never respond or take seriously anything negative written by someone who didn't provide their full name. That's a good way to keep from getting upset by morons.
Best way to roll.


this is to make my message longer

[ryno lite]

Dang, I missed all the fun! This whole thread makes no sense with all of this person's posts pulled out. Oh well, I'm sure I didn't miss anything. Sounds like the moron had nothing important to add anyway. Still would have been interesting to see what got everyone in the uproar!

[Panman]

Dang, I missed all the fun! Speaking about missing the fun, where were you on Saturday? We missed you..

[/end]Thread Hijacking

[noise_is_life]

Dang, I missed all the fun! This whole thread makes no sense with all of this person's posts pulled out. Oh well, I'm sure I didn't miss anything. Sounds like the moron had nothing important to add anyway. Still would have been interesting to see what got everyone in the uproar!

I can still see all of the deleted entries and it doesn't make any sense.

Just try to remember one simple rule people, don't feed the trolls.

[soupboy]

What if you feed the trolls when nobody is looking? I think the extra swig of vino got the better of me. Oh well...

[jag]

Is it open yet?

[gopherhockey]

Is it open yet?

Not yet. We are talking to Dakota County about opening up hopefully soon.

Stay tuned in the MORC Member forum for the first word on Lebanon opening...

[Danimal]

How's Leb looking today (Thursday) I want to ride it after work. Anyone been out there yet?

[gopherhockey]

How's Leb looking today (Thursday) I want to ride it after work. Anyone been out there yet?

Cats out of the bag... ok, yup - Leb is in good condition and is definitely open! Get out there and ride...

Everyone please remember that even if gates are not up the trails are closed after any significant rainfall. Looks like rain might just spoil our weekend of riding.

[Tim Wegner]

Didn't know where to put this info so here it sits. I did some flagging today. The intermediate bypass will be a killer trail. I found a rock that will give a good opportunity to grap some nice air. Also found another rock garden that will be hand built. Added a couple of hundred yards to the trail distance. Just HAD to go around a knob on a hill so I could set up for the approach to the stone near the end of the trail.

I also flagged a section of trail at John Lundell's request. He was looking for some gratuitous trail I found it but at a price. It is about a 300 yard sustained climb at a 10% grade. John said he thought it would be a great place to put about 20 logs to add challenge to the trail. Scream at John if you like his idea or if you don't like his idea paint his van pink next time you see it in the parking lot.:jumpy:

Tim

[tedsti]

Yes!! We can have Ted's log 2,3,4,5,6,7, and 8. Troy and Greg were nice enough to remove a helper from the original today.

John said he thought it would be a great place to put about 20 logs to add challenge to the trail. Scream at John if you like his idea or if you don't like his idea paint his van pink next time you see it in the parking lot.:jumpy:

Tim

[gopherhockey]

I also flagged a section of trail at John Lundell's request. He was looking for some gratuitous trail I found it but at a price. It is about a 300 yard sustained climb at a 10% grade.

Nice! I'm super excited about the new additions. We're starting on Tuesday so if anyone wants to come out and help check the trailwork post and we'll see ya on Tuesday!

Thanks Tim for your continued hard work! Sorry I couldn't get out there and help...

[gopherhockey]

Great conditions out there, but the lot was packed full by 10am.

We're going to have to do something about Ted's log - I had to remove crap from under it twice during my ride today.

It appears something at that skill level is just a bit too much for many Minnesota riders. Maybe once they notice the cheater route around it they will give up. That or we're going to have to put a more permanent one in there (maybe one that looks good but doesn't actually help...)

[LightWeight]

For as full as the lot was, I didn't get passed by too many riders. Gotta love that first ride of spring... :hit:

I couldn't believe how sandy some parts were already.

[Magic]

It appears something at that skill level is just a bit too much for many Minnesota riders. Maybe once they notice the cheater route around it they will give up. That or we're going to have to put a more permanent one in there (maybe one that looks good but doesn't actually help...)

After the Turkey season, I think I'll sit by Ted's log in my gillie suit and wait for the first person to reach for a log to put in as a cheater, then stand up and scare the sh^t out of them. Then sit and wait for the next trail cheater. We must clear this area of all things that can be put next to Ted's log. I seem to have just as much of a problem with these people, as I do with the ones who ride in the mud.:mad:

[jeffgude]

There were some young punks having themselves a paintball war at Lebanon today. It looked like they have established a sort of a combat arena about 100 feet to the right of the trail along the first climb out of the parking lot, just before the intersection with the first walking trail. There are some barriers make of branches, looked like a couple of chairs.

Swell.

[Ish]

We're going to have to do something about Ted's log - I had to remove crap from under it twice during my ride today.

It appears something at that skill level is just a bit too much for many Minnesota riders. Maybe once they notice the cheater route around it they will give up. That or we're going to have to put a more permanent one in there (maybe one that looks good but doesn't actually help...)

Could we put up a sign right next to it? I am assuming these people just don't know any better? It is sad, because there are a lot of us that would like to see things that are MORE difficult.

[soupboy]

Curious, WTF is Ted's log? The big step up at the end of XX?

BTW - somebody needs to seriously reconsider the rock about 1/4 way into the X loop that follows a larger rock (tempting to jump off of). It is before the first major uphill rock section and after the first several log piles and hairpin turn. Generally speaking, it is on a gradual uphill prior to the DH section that takes you to the bridges and camelback in the X. Sorry for the shiddy description.

The rock in question is to the left of center of the initial larger rock and is perfect for somebody to inadvertently tuck a wheel behind and endo...hard...and unnecessarily so. Not trying to "dumb down" the trail but I've been aware of this thing for a while and it finally took a victim on my watch. Thankfully, it was not me and the rider was not severely injured...although they could have been.

Also, the tree that the Gnome used to be mounted to at the end of the XX loop needs to go. It's lower than ever and now grabs my C'back even with my chest on the saddle.

[Craig]

There were some young punks having themselves a paintball war at Lebanon today. It looked like they have established a sort of a combat arena about 100 feet to the right of the trail along the first climb out of the parking lot, just before the intersection with the first walking trail. There are some barriers make of branches, looked like a couple of chairs.

Swell.

Near the end of last summer, my girlfriend and I were riding in Leb. I swore I heard paintball guns (markers) while we were just climbing up out of the lot. A moment later a paintball exploded on a tree just over my head. The experience was enough to make us re-consider going back untill we're 100% sure we can ride the trail without being "shot" at.

[Burke]

There were some young punks having themselves a paintball war at Lebanon today. It looked like they have established a sort of a combat arena about 100 feet to the right of the trail along the first climb out of the parking lot, just before the intersection with the first walking trail. There are some barriers make of branches, looked like a couple of chairs.

Swell.
On my first lap, I gave them a firm "Paintball isn't allowed in the park". They weren't there on lap two.

[Buck]

On my first lap, I gave them a firm "Paintball isn't allowed in the park". They weren't there on lap two.


Might be a good idea to inform the city and tear down the ad hoc course they have out there. I recall on my ride with Tony mentioning that it looked like the course I played on in my friends backyard.

L8Rz
Buck

[gopherhockey]

Dakota County has been notified...

[gopherhockey]

There has been some rain in the area. As always its good to let the trail dry out... please don't be too anxious to ride in these conditions.

[tedsti]

Ted's log is the one you speek of.

The rock you are talking about is clearly visible before you go over the leading rock. If you couldn't see it until you were on the leading rock, I would agree with you. There are many places at Leb (and everywhere else) that if you choose the wrong line, you will go OTB. This is the section right before getting into the catwalk for those who don't know where this is.

Curious, WTF is Ted's log? The big step up at the end of XX?

BTW - somebody needs to seriously reconsider the rock about 1/4 way into the X loop that follows a larger rock (tempting to jump off of). It is before the first major uphill rock section and after the first several log piles and hairpin turn. Generally speaking, it is on a gradual uphill prior to the DH section that takes you to the bridges and camelback in the X. Sorry for the shiddy description.

The rock in question is to the left of center of the initial larger rock and is perfect for somebody to inadvertently tuck a wheel behind and endo...hard...and unnecessarily so. Not trying to "dumb down" the trail but I've been aware of this thing for a while and it finally took a victim on my watch. Thankfully, it was not me and the rider was not severely injured...although they could have been.

Also, the tree that the Gnome used to be mounted to at the end of the XX loop needs to go. It's lower than ever and now grabs my C'back even with my chest on the saddle.

[dopey048]

I was out at Leb today around 2. Good conditions. Only saw one puddle and it was after the double jump. Hardly any wind on the trail.

Tree down. About 7 ft before the teeter. Went between the trees with the orange tape.

[gopherhockey]

Also, the tree that the Gnome used to be mounted to at the end of the XX loop needs to go. It's lower than ever and now grabs my C'back even with my chest on the saddle.

Its not really any lower than last year... and it is XX. Even in the winter we could get under it, but you have to get off to the side during the winter or it will grab your c'back. I'd suggest trying the same.

We are thinking about clearing some dirt under it and/or jacking it up. We'll never remove it, its too nice an obstacle to completely disregard.

I think I know the rock you are talking about.. we'll look at it. Tim and I walked that part and thought maybe it would be good to move it slightly left - not to make it easier, but actually to make it so you can launch a nice jump off the rock before it.

Ted has a point in that there are lots of places like this that would make it way too hard to remove them all. in this case I think we can improve the trail and move the rock slightly but we'll see what the gang thinks next time we're out there. (majority rules during trailwork...)

I would always suggest people do not think the trail will be identical each time you are out there.. and especially after the winter. Some rocks have come out of the soil and appear larger due to frost heave... and we often go out and tinker with the trail and rock placement. One should always be ready for the unexpected and ride at ones own risk... (end disclaimer)

Nice to see ya out there today, hope ya'll had a good ride!!

[gopherhockey]

Also.. Tim and I walked the trail and did some flag adjustments. We have some really great re-routes planned for this year, not to mention one huge improvement to the X rock garden area!

Its going to be a good year for Lebanon this year.. lots of improvements and much need