Trail Conditions in Detail - Lebanon Hills

[RyanVerhulst]

Any update on Saturday, as I'm on my way to REI for a new tube?

[Hathor]

John went out there this morning to check it out and has been gone awhile which makes me think it is ridable. He'll probably post when he gets back.

Any update on Saturday, as I'm on my way to REI for a new tube?

[noise_is_life]

John went out there this morning to check it out and has been gone awhile which makes me think it is ridable. He'll probably post when he gets back.

I like your method of determining trail status based on spousal absence.

[gopherhockey]

Its pretty greasy out there. Any amount of rain today will probably shut it down for the weekend. The beginner trail is actually the worst. The X and XX are slippery but not as bad as I thought they would be.

In general conditions are right on the edge right now. Ride with caution, and remember to not ride around the wet spots - go directly through.

[BigRing]

I went out around 3 PM and the dirt almost too wet to ride, I would not suggest riding Leb the rest of the weekend, just too slippery.

[Uncle Leo]

Has anyone been at Leb today? Rideable, or not so much?

[Tegra54]

Has anyone been at Leb today? Rideable, or not so much?

was there today. the parking lot was pretty full, but the trails were pretty wet. no standing puddles, but large sections of the trail were damp and very slippery.

if you dont know the trail, there are many sections that are dangerous to take with too much speed due to the dampness.

there were a lot of fresh skid marks, some in unusual places such as up hills and right before some of the sharper turns :/

[jeffgude]

was there today. the parking lot was pretty full, but the trails were pretty wet. no standing puddles, but large sections of the trail were damp and very slippery.

if you dont know the trail, there are many sections that are dangerous to take with too much speed due to the dampness.

there were a lot of fresh skid marks, some in unusual places such as up hills and right before some of the sharper turns :/


....great.......

[RyanVerhulst]

there were 3-5 ex-puddles that were getting treaded up and drying... It definitely wasn't slippery anywhere. I went hard on all the loops, its surprisingly dry in most sections considering how much rain and lack of sun we've had. "Sorry" for leaving a skid mark or two, I had a fun little swerve off the track in the fast section near the end of the outside loop.

[RyanVerhulst]

even drier this afternoon, starting to get dusty/sandy towards the end where the trees are thinner and some sun gets in. Get out and ride soon before the rain comes back later this week.

[SuburbanMom]

Ok, Its Tuesday at 12:30, it is a lovely day and I am headed to Lebanon Hills....How do I get there from Edina?

[SuburbanMom]

Found the directions...Thanks for the tips..Bye

[helmut buster]

Rode Leb this morning from 8:30-11:00.

Trail conditions went from near perfect to dangerous while I was there.

The first lap was before any rain, and the trails were the best I've ever seen 'em. SOLID tacky hardpack, a little dust in the sand and just a bit cheesy (crumbly like feta) in the downhill switches before the x meets the xx.

There were only like 6 cars in the lot! Where was everybody (theo I suppose). You missed what may be the last chance to ride for a few days.

I usually ride the intermediate to the x to the xx and repeat the x to ride the backside, then back to the lot. The first lap of the xx was great, right over the camel and teetered for the first time (thanks for getting it fixed). The teeter really intimidated me when I started riding last fall, but as I returned this spring and conquered all the skinnys (well most) I looked forward to it's return. It is really much milder than I expected. I was surprised that I needed to slow at the pivot or risk dropping off the end, when it did pivot, the drop was suprisingly fast/hard, but getting over it unscathed on the first run was definately a grinner.

It started dripping on my way out of the first lap. It was a slow steady drizzle, and the trails got tackier but not greasy.

The rain increased in intensity as I worked the second loop. By the time I got into the x and xx it was starting to get greasy.

WARNING, FireXC's have a nasty tendency to pack with tacky grease and become like riding on crisco covered steel hoops. Does anybody have a recommendation for some light xc tires that clear tacky mud better the fire's?

I found out the severity of my traction problems when I started spinning and promptly dropped off the camel and again when I slid off the "root bridge" the fourth time over it.

Though a little greasy, the trails were really well packed in and not showing any sign of softening --- so I went for another. Shortly after I passed the gap jump it started coming down a bit harder. By the time I got over the "root bridge" on the x loop slowly but safely (does that bridge have a name?), it was raining in earnest. I reluctantly opted out of the xx fearing the fires' ability to get me through the rock gardens and up the "mountain goat traverse" not to mention the problem with the camel the last time over(or off rather).

As I finished the x and got onto the dream there was a deluge and the track started to soften. Since the fires were effectively slicks, I wasn't carrying enough speed to do much damage, but it didn't seem it would take many riders to start rutting up the trail.

So there you have it, soory about the recap of my ride, but I thought it might be helpful to give a little demonstration of just how quickly things con go wrong ot there.

I did get through ALL of the rock gardens which had been beating me (and my frame-ouch) before the rain started a week and a half ago, so that's something. I do have another divot in my top tube from that drop off the camel though. The new bike certainly isn't new anymore.

Anyway, be careful out there and enjoy. I do hope the rain stops and the trails do not need to be closed, but it wasn't looking good at 11:00am today.

Helmut Buster

[Dominican boy]

Why don't u try Tioga Red Phoenix. SUPER LIGHT, wear out very easily, good traction in wet..

[nigel]

WARNING, FireXC's have a nasty tendency to pack with tacky grease and become like riding on crisco covered steel hoops. Does anybody have a recommendation for some light xc tires that clear tacky mud better the fire's?


Fire XC's work great for me.....I run tubeless at 40 or less psi....maybe its your pressure? Ive been using them for a few years now and have nothing but great luck with them. *shrugs*

D

[LightWeight]

Was at leb at 10 this morning. Finished 1 lap before things got too slippery. You think Fire XCs are bad in the wet, try a pair of Pythons. That was the slowest lap I've ever done. :crazy2:

[Dominican boy]

Try 35psi. i am 186lbs and thats what i use..

[RyanVerhulst]

wet in the shade and low land. Dry at the higher start and end. Only gonna get worse over the next couple days. Glad I got out there last night.

[bigwheel]

wet in the shade and low land. Dry at the higher start and end. Only gonna get worse over the next couple days. Glad I got out there last night.

It hardly rained last night, and completely missed us this morning. Right now, the sun is shining and the wind is blowing, so it might be okay this afternoon. I might check it out early afternoon if I can sneak out for a couple hours. It's supposed to rain this eve.

Usually, the worst part is the X. You will know right away if it is muddy, and can turn around and skip it if necessary.

[bigwheel]

6/7 Around 4pm

Leb was in decent shape. Mostly tacky, with a couple damp spots in the X section. By the time you read this, they should have also already dried out nicely.

Go ride.

[RyanVerhulst]

storm storm storm

[bigwheel]

storm storm storm

It rained like crazy here last night, and looks like we're in for more of it today. Looking grim for the next several days.

[tedsti]

Yup, lots of rain.

The thunder woke me up at 4am, well that and the dog whining because of the thunder. Then I hear the Apple Valley severe weather sirens go off. Turn on the TV to see it there is actually tornados or just storms since Apple Valley has a very itchy finger when it comes to sounding the alarm. It was just storms, although it was raining and blowing like hell outside so I went back to bed.

[manual63]

Need current info so I can decide whether or not to do the skills session at 6:00 today.

[jzipfel]

Here is the weather data since midnight. I don't think Leb can drain "that" well.

I was hoping to join in on this session tonight too.

http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KMNBLOOM2

[JHM]

I was hoping to ride tonight also. It hasn't rained since 9 am or so, it has been windy, the humidity isn't too high, leb does dry pretty fast, nothing on the radar. Everything might be in our favor.

I plan to show up and have a look about 5:30. If it is wet, then I will have an early dinner.

[RyanVerhulst]

I got out there to Lebanon last night, didn't take my usual licks, and the trail was in good condition. Still some wet spots, but hardly enough to splash my legs. I'm glad I got out last night as it's gonna be raining some more.

[Spike]

Since we're supposed to get rain today and tomorrow and since it has already been established in another thread that John blows, do you suppose there's any way we can convince him to get out there and use that leaf blower to dry off the trail? I mean hey, it would probably only take a day or two to do the whole thing. ;) I'm kidding! I'm kidding! But with the way this spring has been I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. ;)

[soupboy]

lemme know

[Shickdawg]

Rode LH around 3:00 PM today. To my inexerienced eye, I'd call the trail condition "minimally acceptable". The Beginner/Warm-up loop is pretty muddy. The X isn't too bad. If you go, I'd suggest skipping the warmup loop today.

[dasil003]

I was there about 5pm... Definitely a few greasy spots... enough to keep you on your toes when railing some of the fast twisty sections, particularly near the end of X where I almost lost it right into the mud (thank god for still riding platforms). I think it was totally okay to ride though.

Now, about today. How much rain did Leb see? I'm assuming it's not ridable now, but maybe tomorrow?

[goatgirl]

is leb open today?

[BrightYellow]

Definitely a few greasy spots... I almost lost it right into the mud... I think it was totally okay to ride though...

That just sounds funny.

[tedsti]

My guess is that with the previous conditions posted and last night's rain that we should stay off Leb til tomorrow.

[Tim Wegner]

Rode Leb early this morning. Some muddy spots but nothing that a bit of deberming wont solve. It is raining hard here tonight. I am sure that lebanon will be too wet to ride tomorrow. It was OK this morning but with the rain we got and are still getting it will be a mudhole! Stay off for a bit.

TW

[Ogre]

I'm guessing LH should not be ridden today?
The trail conditions page says tacky, perhaps this should be changed to wet.

[Yammer]

Did anyone go out to Lebs this evening? If so, how likely is it that it will be rideable by noon tomorrow?

Thanks, Pat

[MJM]

I just walked a section of the trail off the Galaxie trailhead. First of all, the orange fence is up at this trailhead so the trails are officially closed. There were fresh tracks on the trail which means that either the Johnny Cake trailhead is open or people are ignoring the fences - again. From what I observed on the west side it should be rideable tomorrow if the sunshine continues. As for now, most of the section I walked was soft and greasy and there is mud in most of the hollow spots and standing water in some. This was on a section that tends to be much dryer than the x-section so I imagine it is a mess in there. Don't count on riding today (6/16). Hopefully tomorrow will be different.

[Yammer]

Will it be open by 1:00?

[Hathor]

Will it be open by 1:00?

Well I just got back from there and here's what I know. The orange fence is still technically up on the Johnny Cake side. However, of course, it is torn down enough for people to get around. I took a quick look at the trail and in my opinion it is still too wet. Right now seems like prime time for major damage to be done so I don't blame em for leaving the fence up. I would say by tomorrow (Sat.) afternoon it will probably be okay at least on the outer loop.

[JHM]

For those who haven't been riding because Leb is still wet, why not give Terrace Oaks a try? I rode on Thursday evening. The few muddy spots were drying fast, no standing water, in general the trail was in decent shape. The recent trail work has really helped, the conditions should be excellent today.

Sorry for the off topic post, but I wanted to be sure it gets read.

[ibismojo2001]

I actually rode Terrace this morning and aside from a couple little damp spots, it was in great shape, plus I was the only one on the trail. Nice morning!

[tedsti]

Checked out the lot tonight and there were a lot of cars with racks. The orange fence was up blocking all the entrances.

I stopped to tell one group that the trail was closed and one of the adults responded "It's OK, we are a church group. We've already gone around once." I assured them that it was not OK. I was very close to saying "Well that is great, so we can assume that God will come down and fix the damage you've done to the trail."

I did overhear one of them mention that there were trees down.

[E36/5]

I was very close to saying "Well that is great, so we can assume that God will come down and fix the damage you've done to the trail."

:D Nice!!

[shourtt]

May be they will pray to Madonna of Ghisallo, the patron saint of biking to fix the trail.


http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/mary0004.htm

[RyanVerhulst]

fences up for saturday (6/18)?

[pwpatton]

I checked out the trial and it was nice and dry. There are a couple greasy spots and the normal wet spots on the beginner trail (2 or 3 spots need some work to drain better) but otherwise the trail is in excellent condition: tacky to dry. There was no damage on the trail from friday's riders, that I could see, and there will be no damage from todays riders. I agree we should respect the closed signs but if a trail is dry and signs are up then more people will start ignoring the signs as meaningless. Just my 2 cents.

Oh and yes the trail is open.

[nigel]

Walked the trail today looking for trouble, found nothing really horrible cept a lot of folks out having a good time on bikes. Get out and ride while the ridings good.

D

[Ish]

Agree - Trail was in great shape today! A few spots that are cupped and holding water otherwise it is all good! Get out there!

[RyanVerhulst]

great conditions, sorry about the divot on the side right after the big drop in the XX. Someone needs to remember to keep their weight back

[flea]

Yesterday I glided thru the rock gardens hitting hardly a rock, today my front wheel was a rock magnet. I have given this considerable thought; hitting too many unwanted rocks has something to do with the amount of beer drank the night before. More beer = Less rock/wheel convergence. Any concurrence?

[RyanVerhulst]

I concur (must be ten characters)

[Trevize1138]

Beer is certainly a factor. Fun, but not rock-garden friendly. However, even when you're sober once you hit one rock, you're set on a course to hit every other rock in the garden until you exit. Just happens that way.

Back on topic: Leb was in great shape last night, if a bit *too* dry on some corners. Starting to develop a thin layer of dust.

[bigwheel]

So much for an evening ride. It is pouring out there right now. :cryin:

[dasil003]

What are the chances Leb will be open tonight? The storm moved through pretty quick, but it's so humid out that it could be slow to dry.

[bigwheel]

What are the chances Leb will be open tonight? The storm moved through pretty quick, but it's so humid out that it could be slow to dry.

Good question. I don't know the answer, but my gut feel is that it will be rideable. We got a lot of rain, but it was in a relatively short period of time, so it should have run off rather than soak in.

I suggest that if you go there and there is nobody around with a positive trail report, you should ride the beginner loop first, and *if* it looks okay, then go do the bigger loop.

If you are unsure but still want to guarantee some exercise and fun, you are welcome to join us tonight at Terrace Oaks trail work. It's only about 3 miles away from Leb. I'm not sure what Doug has in mind, but we will probably be hauling rock and swinging sharp tools.

[ApValWheels]

Just took a quick ride over to Lebanon and checked out the beginner loop. Had to go through about a dozen puddles. Based on that I didn't ride anything else.

[bigwheel]

Just took a quick ride over to Lebanon and checked out the beginner loop. Had to go through about a dozen puddles. Based on that I didn't ride anything else.

Bummer. I guess the high humidity and lack of breeze is slowing down the drying process.

Anyway, thanks for letting us know, and thanks for giving the trail a chance to dry.

[Danimal]

Hey it's 5:30pm anyone know if Leb is Dry?

[MJM]

We had 3/4" of rain around 0630 this morning in Eagan. I walked a section on the west side from the Galaxied trailhead. Much of the trail shed the rain well and remains firm but the hollows have puddled-up the entire width of the trail. The orange fence was down when I entered but conditions warrant closure. Riding today will result in trail damage/widening. The flat spots are ready to ride but there are tons of puddles, hopefully they will dry up today. It sucks to be the messenger of bad news, I'd be riding trails if they were good. I'll check later tonight/early tomorrow and post a thread.

[MJM]

The orange fence is now up on the Galaxie side but down off the Jonny Cake lot. I was out on the Galaxie side at 0700 and the trail is in pretty good shape (firm and tacky). I saw one small puddle (avoidable) but most of them have dried up since yesterday. I'm gonna give it a go.

[tedsti]

There are a couple of wet spots, but all in all Leb is in good shape. Not too busy out there this afternoon either.

[E36/5]

8p, Saturday the 25th.

Very good and mostly dry, and almost dusty in the early sections. There were a few dark, moist, greasy spots in some low areas and against log piles in the "original" X section. Running the whole course there were maybe ten of these wet spots. I don't even think they were muddy, but just quite saturated.

[Tim Wegner]

8AM Monday 6-27.

It is pouring right now in Rosemount. My guess Lebanon will be muddy today. I would advise to stay off the trails until we get some drying weather unless someone gets out there today and walks the trail to see if they are still muddy this afternoon.
TW

[mcarples]

Has anyone been there today? I am looking to tide tomorrow afternoon and need to know if it is ridable before making the journey. Hope someone sees this soon...

[cterzich]

I rode Tuesday evening. Some wet spots once you get in a bit. I did not ride either Expert or XX. If there is no rain, it should be in good shape tomorrow (Wednesday). Has anyone been there today? I am looking to tide tomorrow afternoon and need to know if it is ridable before making the journey. Hope someone sees this soon...

[mcarples]

got a nice ride in at 6 pm tonight. The trails were great. Intermediate loop was in good shape, and the XX loop was perfect. The X loop had a small section that we walked but other than that, it was pretty good. Im assuming there was a lot of rain there tonight though. :(

[Danimal]

Anyone know how long (estimate) one should wait after a good rain (like last night) before you can go out on the trail? How long does the trail take to dry up (on average)?

[mcarples]

you could check late tonight (6-7 pm) but I would guess wait till tomorrow. Tonight is worth a try if you don't live to far.

[bigwheel]

I just spoke with a guy (customer) at the local shop that said he rode leb this afternoon. By the looks of his muddy legs, I thought he shouldn't be there. However, he said that the trail was rideable, but had a couple muddy spots in the X/XX and the beginner loop.

Driving around, the sky looks questionable, but if it doesn't rain, it might be worth giving it a cautious try. (I'll be at buck hill.)

[Danimal]

Did you chastize him for riding in the mud!

[soupboy]

this AM.

Dry for the most part but there were mud wallows here and there, particularly in the X section. Also, there are big trees down in both the XX and the Dream trail.

Please ride through mud, not around it. You and your mountain bike are supposed to get dirty.

[bigwheel]

this AM.

Dry for the most part but there were mud wallows here and there, particularly in the X section. Also, there are big trees down in both the XX and the Dream trail.

Please ride through mud, not around it. You and your mountain bike are supposed to get dirty.

I just got back from a quick 1-lap, and saw the trees. They are both big (will need at least a large hand saw, preferrably a chainsaw) and they are in the way.

One of them is in the XX section, after the camelback, just before the ledge drop (before Jan's rock).

The other one is on Dream-1, at the spot where Ted and I repaired the previous set of downed trees. This is after the dream-1 bypass, where the trail goes around (bears right) around the gully. Be careful, as this tree is on a blind turn, so it catches you off-guard.

Unfortunately, I have to be on the road in a couple hours (bunch of people meeting at my cabin, which is locked). However, if you want to try to get it right away (around 3;30), call me at home 651 452 3324.

[jasonmccan87]

Leb dried up well today and yesterday, some muddy spots still though. Watch out for downed tree on xx before janes rock, its kinda on a fast blind corner.

[ApValWheels]

Thanks to the folks, whoever you are, that got rid of the tree blocking Dream 1.

[gopherhockey]

More rain... probably wet again today.

Anyone know if there are trees that still need removing at Leb? Sounds like one on the XX still, but the other was removed?

[qheuie]

More rain... probably wet again today.

Anyone know if there are trees that still need removing at Leb? Sounds like one on the XX still, but the other was removed?

the only one we saw when we were out yesterday evening was on the XX loop.

[gopherhockey]

Finally got a mtb ride in this weekend after all the road riding.

Yup, the tree is there on the XX. Its a nasty one - forces you to get off and go under (or over if you like that type of thing). I was thinking about getting too it today but I don't think I'll make it now. Hopefully in the next few days. Might make another nice log drop if it was done right hehe. :etard:

I notice that one of our re-routes early on in the intermediate loop has been trampled over again. Its the one where you go over some rocks and take a sharp right... or if you try jump the rocks you land in the area we are trying to keep closed.

I think those rocks need to go. Riders are jumping them and there is no way to turn when in the air there. We need to keep that area reclaimed, so since people can't keep off it I think it would be best to remove the rocks and use them to route traffic correctly.

Other than that and a few damp spots things were nice out there. Looks like we'll have to do some trimming in some areas soon as well, especially when you exit the dream trail II and go around the open field and hook up to the beginner trail.

Oh, and the rock garden near the end of the XX is too easy again.. people are going far left around the rocks. I'll have to fix that too.. time permitting. ;-)

It was interesting to note that the parking lot had very few cars in it today, but I ran into more people than I think I ever have out there. :confused:

[ryno lite]

It would be nice to get some deberming in as well so that the wet spots don't occur as often and dry faster! Looked to be in pretty good shape on Saturday and I cleaned up branches on that ride so hopefully it's cleaner. (Didn't get to the section between the beginning of the XX and where the dream trail starts on the X loop, so if there are branches there, someone should take the time to pick them up!) Trail looked good, although I am surprised how much damage has occurred due to people riding when it was too wet! We've beaten that subject to a pulp so I will let that go. The damage is something we could fix permanently with a little armouring! I'd love to bury some rocks right in the middle of a few of those problem areas! Some of the armouring in the problem spots at Theo is awesome!

[bigwheel]

Are the two trees still down at Leb?

I might have a couple hours to spare this afternoon. I can bring in a chainsaw, and cut them out.

[bigwheel]

I'm heading over to Leb around 2:30. My plan is to ride a lap, then hike in with a chainsaw if there are any big trees down.

[gopherhockey]

Well, I beat Bob out there.. er, tied actually. He ran into me on his brand new shiny single speed and helped get that tree taken care of. Its now another log drop.

It was sad to see that riders had forged their own trail around the log rather than stopping and going under. I hope Dakota doesn't see that. We did our best to cover it up.

Other small tweaks and I'm done - its hot out there!

I'm heading over to Leb around 2:30. My plan is to ride a lap, then hike in with a chainsaw if there are any big trees down.

[tedsti]

Was there banjo music playing in the background...duelling chainsaws.

Well, I beat Bob out there.. er, tied actually.

[noise_is_life]

First ride this year at Leb (I know, I know), it rocked, I'm horribly out of shape and every hill was murder, but all the fast bits are FAST and the bike was really hooking up. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the exit trail, it flies, barely touched the breaks (and my skills aren't exactly fresh).

Last 100 yards of the beginner trail where it speeds up a bit before it pops out in the lot I went into a corner at a fraction of the speed that I was just railing the exit trail and I slid out and racked my shin up good. Oh well, I've got too much skin anyway.

It feels great to be getting back on the bike and Leb is as sweet as ever.

[tedsti]

One word .... HOT

OK, two words... DAMN HOT

[Thewavebb]

I rode this afternoon around 3:30 and OMG it was a very stale humid heat in the woods today. Trails are super dusty. Some rain would really be nice

[waitabit]

I rode this afternoon around 3:30 and OMG it was a very stale humid heat in the woods today. Trails are super dusty. Some rain would really be niceCareful what you wish for.;)

[robc]

Didn't get much rain up in the north metro yesterday, but I heard that Dakota county got hit maybe? Whats the trail status today? Was hoping to get out this afternoon for ride. Thanks.

[bigwheel]

Didn't get much rain up in the north metro yesterday, but I heard that Dakota county got hit maybe? Whats the trail status today? Was hoping to get out this afternoon for ride. Thanks.

Hi Rob, We got some rain in Eagan last night, but not a ton. With all the sunshine, low humidity and wind, I think it will be fine by this afternoon. I'm thinking of heading over there around 4pm.

[robc]

Thanks for the update. Maybe I'll see you out there. You riding the KM today? I'd like to take a look at it. Sounds like a sweet ride.

[bigwheel]

Thanks for the update. Maybe I'll see you out there. You riding the KM today? I'd like to take a look at it. Sounds like a sweet ride.

Not today. I have my Gary Fisher already in the van, waiting to ride.

The single speed is okay, but don't like the full-rigid. The little bit of arthritus in my hands, and my old back just can't handle it. Plus, I don't like having my hands bounce off of the bars. I finally bought a new helmet since my last Leb ride on the KM. The old helmet did its job, and broke in about 6 places. My neck is finally starting to feel okay again.

Shhh, but I'm currently high bidder on eBay for a set of springy forks for the KM.

[bigwheel]

Monday 7/18 5pm

Dry, except for two tiny puddles that formed in unusual places. They will be gone by the time you read this post.

[gopherhockey]

We had some rain down in the Eagan/Rosemount area this morning with more on the way. I'd stay off until tomorrow.

Depending on how much we get, things should dry up quickly. Tuesday looks like a nice day.

[gopherhockey]

Anyone seen the trail yet this afternoon? We had some rain yesterday, but I would think the trail would suck it up pretty fast.

Would be a shame not to get a ride in this nice cooler summer day... so if anyone knows, pls post! (good or bad) Thx...

[tedsti]

Last night it was dry for the most part, but there were the usual mud puddles. Leb should be good to go today.

[gopherhockey]

When we rode yesterday the trail was dry, but there were (as Ted said) many puddles. Most were things we can fix (should fix... will fix). Usually by this time each year I've been out on areas like the expert loop fixing on some of these spots but time just has not been on my side this year.

I ask that if you ride and there are puddles, ride directly through the center - not around, not to the side.. right through it. That keeps the trail from creeping which is much harder to fix, ugly, and turns land managers off big-time. I hate riding in wet but both Bob and I rode right through the center - even after I could hear my bike squeaking from the dirt in the gears... hey, if I'm out there and the trail has wet spots its my (our) duty to stay on the trail and live with the low spots...

Again, hopefully we'll get out there and fix stuff like that.

Also, we fixed the area that is usually the worst right at the very end of the beginner trail that makes a sweeping left turn around a tree. If you see it, ride on a different area each time so we can pack it in. If riders take the same exact line each time just because the guy in front did a rut will form and we'll be out there fixing it again later.

Thanks! Ride safe.. enjoy while the cooler weather lasts.

[prodiscgolfguy]

New here. Is Lebanon rideable today (thursday)?? Is Lebanon rideable for a 8 year old boy??
Thanks,
TG

[Tim Wegner]

TG

Lebanon is probalby pretty wet today. It recieved 2+ inches of rain last night so give it some time to dry off. With the lower humidity and the wind it might be dry after 4 tonight. Check it out and evaluate. If your tire sinks in and leaves a track, it is too wet don't ride.

Lebanon has many different levels of difficulty. The beginner trails can be ridden by people ofall skill levels. I am sure that an 8 year old can ride the beginner trail. I am not sure of your riding skills but I think most people could also ride the intermediate trail. Use good judgement and walk some of the areas that look too hardfor you. Rock gardens etc. I would not recommend that an 8 year old ride the X or XX unless you have some experience riding difficult features like narrow bridges, rocks etc.

Welcome to the area.
TW

[prodiscgolfguy]

Thanks for the info. Are there any unwritten rules that a rookie should know about trail riding?? I've fully understand the wet trail issue. Our disc golf courses get the same abuse just from walking.
Thanks again,
TG

[Buck]

Unwritten Rule #1: Your kick a$$ for taking your 8 yr old for a ride out on some dirt!

Unwritten Rule #2-...: Have lots of fun, and if your kid is ripping the trails and shows interest in the advanced stuff walk back there and check it out with him! Spotting on a bike works too!
L8R
Buck

[dave t]

I'm sure that the beginner/warmup loop would be fine. I am working on my 8 year old daughter's confidence and as soon as I can convince her that it will be OK, we'll be in there.

I think that growing up seeing me come back from Leb with tree bites on my shoulders and talking about the jumps and stunts has her just a bit freaked out. She also told me she didn't want to have me look silly riding with her (ouch, I don't know where that came from) and I had to tell her I would be proud to ride there with her.

[prodiscgolfguy]

Thanks for the replies fellas. Just got back from riding Lebanon. :shocked: Good times. Trying to convince an 8 year old to take the easy trails rather than the "most difficult" is like taking him to a candy store with no money. Had a great time, will be back for more soon!!! Only a couple minor puddles (that we went straight thru, thanks for advice). The weather was kick arse. Crazy running into you Buck, thanks for the Red Bull my man!! My kid is still bouncing off the walls!!;)
See ya on the trails,
TG

[Buck]

Thanks for the replies fellas. Just got back from riding Lebanon. :shocked: Good times. Trying to convince an 8 year old to take the easy trails rather than the "most difficult" is like taking him to a candy store with no money. Had a great time, will be back for more soon!!! Only a couple minor puddles (that we went straight thru, thanks for advice). The weather was kick arse. Crazy running into you Buck, thanks for the Red Bull my man!! My kid is still bouncing off the walls!!;)
See ya on the trails,
TG

TG!!!
Crazy myself and Joyce knew you(girl I was workin' with), hahaha, that is great! Small world, shoot me a PM I'd love to ride along with you guys next time( I love seeing new kids rocking down, they are the future!), glad you enjoyed THE CAN. I'll bring some more to keep that kid of yours rocking on the stuff that some people here 4-5X his age won't try on bikes worth more then my car! woohooo, keep the stoke going!
L8R
buck

[tedsti]

Intermediate was in good shape last night. I did not check the X and XX assuming that they would be too wet. Everything should be good to go today though.

[flea]

Excellent conditions Friday evening, went for a night ride just as it got dark. There were lots of little toads hopping around on the trail. I parked at the dental clinic behind the Italian restaurant at Diffley and Johnny Cake there were alot of cars there i think from the restaurant staff it seemed like a good place to park for a night ride.The park gate was locked as I left about 9:45. I tried Specialized roll x pro D2 tires for the first time, really good tires for Lebanon.

[gopherhockey]

Just got dumped on at Leb. I'm reading around .66" in a short time. Probably be ok by tomorrow sometime though.

Have been out of town, did we get some rain yesterday (Monday) too?

[Ogre]

Anybody been out there today? (Wed - Aug 10)

I'm guessing it's in good shape?

[jeffgude]

I was out there Friday 8/12, 3 pm. There were a few mud potholes, mostly on the X trail and the beginner loop. The other sections were ok.

[destrago]

Just got home from a great ride at Leb. Trail is in good shape, the rain helped. It's tacky to dry, a few slightly muddy spots but nothing much at all.

I noticed that someone (Bob, Ted, John?) took advantage of the rain to go fill in and rake down the braking bumps on Dream. Thank you. It's about a million times better now than it was when I rode last week end.

Dancing Banannas for you!

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

-Tony

[col200]

Also just returned from Leb. Trails is in great shape besides a few mud spots. It was actually my first ride out there all summer. Great work! The parking lot was packed today. Not just with riders, but with hikers as well.

[dasil003]

Anyone know if Leb is okay today since it rained last night?

[bigwheel]

Anyone know if Leb is okay today since it rained last night?

I don't think it rained in Eagan last night.

Have a nice ride. Wish I could join you.

[gopherhockey]

Yup, it hadn't rained but just this morning (Thursday) we got a good dumping... the trail needed it.

[1x1Clyde]

Anyone know if Leb is getting all this rain?

Hoping to get out there this afternoon but it doesn't look good where I am at.

[bigwheel]

Anyone know if Leb is getting all this rain?

Hoping to get out there this afternoon but it doesn't look good where I am at.

Yes. Eagan got quite a bit, and it is still misty. I suggest waiting another day.

[gopherhockey]

Its definitely damp out there. Wet spots on the beginner trail. Did a night ride and all the rocks and logs were very slipper - almost like in the late fall when things freeze. Beware of rabbits - they are everywhere!

[syntaxjunkie]

good to know. it's 11:29 a.m. on august 20, and i am about to hit leb for the first time this year. does this tell you what kind of year it's been? anyway, if you're headed out that way, i'll be the guy in the blue helmet, black shorts and sh*t-eatin' grin.

[mcarples]

Trail's in great shape other than my damn pinch-flat

[tkb608]

The trail conditions last night were excellent, and the coditions today should be a lot less reflective since I picked up about 50 reflectors last night while testing my lights for 24 hours of afton. I might try to get a picture of the booty, mostly little gold nuggets that are found on pedals. I also found 3 full bike shop pedals, the kind that snap into SPDs. It was pretty fun collecting it all. took me 1:45 to do a full lap. I even found a childs mitten with a big reflective strip.
Is it deranged to think that is fun? :crazy:

[bigwheel]

I picked up about 50 reflectors last night while testing my lights for 24 hours of afton.

If the rest of us get lost, we'll know who to blame. Those reflectors were brought in one at a time, and placed at every obstacle in order to ensure the safety of the night riders.

BTW, my lights are charging for a possible Thursday night ride. Anyone???

[Uncle Leo]

The trail conditions last night were excellent, and the coditions today should be a lot less reflective since I picked up about 50 reflectors last night while testing my lights for 24 hours of afton. I might try to get a picture of the booty, mostly little gold nuggets that are found on pedals. I also found 3 full bike shop pedals, the kind that snap into SPDs. It was pretty fun collecting it all. took me 1:45 to do a full lap. I even found a childs mitten with a big reflective strip.
Is it deranged to think that is fun? :crazy:

Did you happen to pick up all the metal I've scraped off my pedals and cranks on the rock gardens this summer? I'd like it back if possible.

[robc]

Bob, what time would you be shooting for to start a night ride? I might be able to swing it.

[bigwheel]

Bob, what time would you be shooting for to start a night ride? I might be able to swing it.

Hi Rob, I'm pretty open. Maybe we can meet around 7:30, and power up during the ride. If you'd like to pick a different time, it's fine with me.

There's a good chance I'll be still riding the singlespeed, so I might be a little bit slower and timid than usual. (I'm still putting my good bike back together.) Last time I took the SS to Leb, humpty clydesdale had a big fall. :crazy2:

I'll probably be using last year's lights. I still need to build a charger for the Lithium batteries. I also noticed that I need to build a new headlight brackets because my old ones won't fit on the oversized bars that I'm now using.

[tkb608]

Did you happen to pick up all the metal I've scraped off my pedals and cranks on the rock gardens this summer? I'd like it back if possible.

Sorry, I didn't bring a very big garbage bag so I limited my retreivals to those things that were specificly designed to reflect. However the rock garden was one of the most fruitfull areas to find reflectors, the next best was the stairs after the camel back.

[gopherhockey]

The trail conditions last night were excellent, and the coditions today should be a lot less reflective since I picked up about 50 reflectors last night while testing my lights for 24 hours of afton. I might try to get a picture of the booty, mostly little gold nuggets that are found on pedals. I also found 3 full bike shop pedals, the kind that snap into SPDs. It was pretty fun collecting it all. took me 1:45 to do a full lap. I even found a childs mitten with a big reflective strip.
Is it deranged to think that is fun? :crazy:

Awwww... I always like all those reflectors the first few laps of the year... <sigh>

Oh well, best to get the trash picked up ;)

[Hathor]

Okay, I am going to start by asking the person that totally dumbed down the intermediate loop in the past 24 hour to fess up and give me one good reason why. I am pretty sure it wasn't done at an official trail work, because it was done in the last 24 hours (between Wed. morning and Thurs. morning.) I will leave the lunch hour for a response. Then stay tuned for a total hissy fit, because it ruined my ride I was/am so pissed off. More in a bit.

[JHM]

I rode Leb Wed night until 7:45 and did not notice anything unusual.

[transplant]

How was it dumbed down? What was done?

[Hathor]

So it must've been done this morning or something. The first few log piles were totally padded up with dirt so they were more like little ramps you could just roll over. Plus, there was one rock removed that had been there since the beginning of time. I am sure whoever did it doesn't read these forums, but just in case you are: It is totally ridiculous to try to make those logs easier. They are the best training tools in the park for working your way up to the expert loop. When I first started biking, I would just add one log at time...once I could master one, I would try the next one. Now they are not even logs, but dirt mounds. If you did it because you can't handle those logs, then that was totally selfish and you are never going to get better...and yes I am questioning your manhood, because I am probably half your size and strength and those logs are totally nice easy logs. :fool: There are still things that are a challenge for me, but I would never ever consider changing the obstacles so I could do them perfectly. Hopefully after the group ride tonight the intermediate loop with be restored. Grrrr.

[Homebrew]

I think I saw the dink, I was coming out on the Galaxie side @ 9:00p.m. He was walking away from his white SUV (mitsubishi?) he was about 5'-6" with brown hair with glasses, he was carrying a small shovel, he said "hi". I figured he was borrowing/stealing a small tree or something. As I rode away I was thinking maybe I should have gotten his plate#, it just seemed fishy. Now I know, don't trust anybody not on a bike.

[bigwheel]

Did you get a chance to see what "they" did to the XX rock garden? Tore a completely new beginner trail around the rock garden. What was once a work of art, and a challanging section is now an erosion mess.

I'm also amazed at the number of places where some losers have been taking shortcuts. They are all over the place at Leb and Terrce. It's too bad, because when we try to clutter up the ride-arounds, the place looks like hell, rather than a nice trail.

[Hathor]

OMG, that probably was him, because it wasn't just a little bit of dirt added; it was definitely done with a shovel. What a loser.

I think I saw the dink, I was coming out on the Galaxie side @ 9:00p.m. He was walking away from his white SUV (mitsubishi?) he was about 5'-6" with brown hair with glasses, he was carrying a small shovel, he said "hi". I figured he was borrowing/stealing a small tree or something. As I rode away I was thinking maybe I should have gotten his plate#, it just seemed fishy. Now I know, don't trust anybody not on a bike.

[Homebrew]

Yep, and I let him get away... :mad:

[Hathor]

At least you got a good look at him. Maybe you will see him again.

Yep, and I let him get away... :mad:

[yetirider]

Just wondering and John, you may have the answer, but can people doing this to the log piles and rock gardens be charged with vandelism since it is unauthorized?

[Tim Wegner]

With the trust that Dakota County has in us I believe we could make a case for a charge of vandalism against this individual. If someone is hurt on the trail dakota county has some concerns. Espeically when they know that MORC builds trails to the standard of liability that are acceptable to Dakota County's risk management department.

TW

[Briman]

I went to leb after work today after reading this, It's just not the same. Why would some jack hole go and do something like this. I hope someone catches this jerk. I'll keep my eyes open.:mad:

[destrago]

It's not entirely apparent that the modification to the XX rock garden and the modification to intermediate was done by the same person or at the same time. I just got back from a ride at leb. I agree with everyone else that the modifications made do not make leb a better trail.

Here's what really gets me: whoever did this put a lot of work into it. I mean they went through most of intermediate with a shovel and worked down every log crossing (including the single log!). Thankfully they didn't touch X or XX (The logs - there is the XX rock garden as Bob mentioned). It's sad that this person(s) can't focus his/her energy onto productive, sanctioned trail work. There's more than enough trail work and maintenance to go around. What's worse is that MORC trail workers are going to have to go out there and undo his/her handywork. Yeah, that's vandalism alright.

My $0.02

-Tony

[SPR]

...

Here's what really gets me: whoever did this put a lot of work into it. I mean they went through most of intermediate with a shovel and worked down every log crossing (including the single log!). ...
And with all the traffic at Leb no one saw this person doing this and question them or at least no one these forums...interesting :confused:

[tagalong]

...that someone from the county made the mods as a reaction to some complaint by a 'concerned citizen' (i.e. someone got hurt and complained)? :confused:

I haven't seen the damage, however, it's just odd that someone would go through the trouble to alter the trail outside of sanctioned trail work (and based on other's comments, it sounds like it was a lot of work to make the misguided mods).

Anyway, if it was some rouge trail worker, let's hope that he doesn't take it upon himself to alter any other tails.

[aliensporebomb]

I think I saw the dink, I was coming out on the Galaxie side @ 9:00p.m. He was walking away from his white SUV (mitsubishi?) he was about 5'-6" with brown hair with glasses, he was carrying a small shovel, he said "hi". I figured he was borrowing/stealing a small tree or something. As I rode away I was thinking maybe I should have gotten his plate#, it just seemed fishy. Now I know, don't trust anybody not on a bike.

Any idea as to the general age of this person?
Any bike racks on the back of his SUV?
Any identifying characteristics of his clothing?
Minnesota plates?
Bumper stickers?
I bet this person will show up again.
It was obvious it was done for a reason and he'll be back.

My guess?

Idiot: "I love lebanon hills but it's too hard for my meager skills."
Idiot2: "Let's go and MOD-O-FY the trail so we can ride it without falling."
Idiot: "Great idea. Got a shovel?"
Idiot3: "My department store mountain bike is sure to be able to ride it now."

[gopherhockey]

And with all the traffic at Leb no one saw this person doing this and question them or at least no one these forums...interesting :confused:

This would be my question. Whenever I am out there I wear my MORC trailwork shirt.. but still I wonder why nobody ever questions what I'm even doing out there.

During our night ride last night I dragged a bunch of the dirt this guy piled up off the logs. Its not a complete fix, but at least it doesn't look so incredibly idiotic. The rain will probably help. He basically just piled up loose dirt so I doubt it would have stayed very long. Obviously not a trail work wizard by any means.

We all need to watch our trails and ask questions. I won't at all mind if someone stops me and asks what I'm doing - in fact it would make me happy to know a rider even cares to ask. We don't "own" the trail - someone always will comment on that... but we have been tasked by the land managers to be responsible so technically its either Dakota County themselevs (or approved by Dakota County), MORC (and even then, it should be a dirt boss led or approved activity), or they shouldn't be out there.

I am going to put up some signs near where the work was done saying something like "no unauthorized trail work allowed" - they will probably get torn down, but perhaps make a point to more riders out there... and maybe even this mystery trail worker.

[bretb]

This is all pretty sad. Thanks for getting things close to normal John.

With today's rain, what are the prospects for being able to ride tomorrow morning?

[gopherhockey]

I'd bet Saturday will be good to ride... it was pretty dry out there on Thursday night.



This is all pretty sad. Thanks for getting things close to normal John.

With today's rain, what are the prospects for being able to ride tomorrow morning?

[tedsti]

Trail is in good shape other than a tree down past the Galaxy Entrance. I was able to sneak under it without getting off the bike, but just barely.

[destrago]

I see that someone has removed said downed tree - and a chainsaw was involved. Danku!

-Tony

[tedsti]

We got a lot of rain. I would stay off the trail at least until tomorrow.

[jeffgude]

I rode tonight at 6 pm. Trail was fine, a couple damp areas, but nothing sigtnificant, the bike was pretty clean afterward.

[tkb608]

Wunderground seems to indicate a quarter inch of rain there, anyone know for sure?

Thanks

[bigwheel]

Wunderground seems to indicate a quarter inch of rain there, anyone know for sure?

Thanks

It seemed like more than that this morning (in Eagan), but I don't know for sure. Last night during trail work, the trail looked tacky/damp, but rideable. However, with the rain last night and this morning and still damp weather, it would be best to wait another day.

[homebrewbiker]

Any worries about the trail being ready for the Saturday am ride?

[bigwheel]

Any worries about the trail being ready for the Saturday am ride?

I'm worried about the Friday night ride. We've been getting a lot of rain lately.

[tedsti]

Yup, if the rain does not let up soon, we may not be riding Leb.



I'm worried about the Friday night ride. We've been getting a lot of rain lately.

[gopherhockey]

It was greasy last night during the Summit night ride. Rocks were slippery, and wet spots showed up around many corners and low spots. Not the kind of conditions I like to ride in, but it was a fun night ride all the same!

[bigwheel]

Some time between the Summit ride last night and this morning's group ride, a tree went down. It is a farily big tree (about 1 ft diam).

The location is near the end of the XX, at the ladder climb. After the teeter, after the rock garden, just before the troll tree.

I can bring in my saw on Sunday afternoon, but I'll need help schlepping the logs around.

[crux]

Some time between the Summit ride last night and this morning's group ride, a tree went down. It is a farily big tree (about 1 ft diam).

The location is near the end of the XX, at the ladder climb. After the teeter, after the rock garden, just before the troll tree.

I can bring in my saw on Sunday afternoon, but I'll need help schlepping the logs around.

I have yet to see it, but add it in to the ladder climb if possible making it a bit more technically challanging.

[E36/5]

Sat, Sept 10th, 7pm.

Great shape. Not wet, but not dusty. I skipped the "XX" though, so I'm not sure about that section.

[bigwheel]

I went over to leb this eve to take out the tree, but I guess somebody got there before me. Anyone? John? Anyone? Don?

Whoever it was, Thanks! :banana:


Some time between the Summit ride last night and this morning's group ride, a tree went down. It is a farily big tree (about 1 ft diam).

The location is near the end of the XX, at the ladder climb. After the teeter, after the rock garden, just before the troll tree.

I can bring in my saw on Sunday afternoon, but I'll need help schlepping the logs around.

[TrailPatrol]

Rode the easy loop a couple times this afternoon, after visiting Alden and the new patrollers. Refilled some water bottles for some family riders on the easy loop from the Igloo jug in my van. (Hot day. They liked that.) Answered some questions about MORC to one group and suggested the River Bottoms for some other guys (without helmets :crazy2: ) looking for someplace else to ride, and even found out the Vikings score for the riders parked next to me. Educate, Assist and Inform; and I did it all in the name of the MORC MTB Patrol. (Even with the big "Backcountry" patch on my jersey.)

Someday, when it's not 91 degrees and humid, I need to get back there and try some of the other loops, but the easy loop was fun and is really a nice trail, and I was there when those little guys ran out of water!

Great job, MORC Leb crew!

Ride safe,
:banana:
Hans

[bigwheel]

Rode the easy loop a couple times this afternoon, after visiting Alden and the new patrollers. Refilled some water battles for some family riders on the easy loop from the Igloo jug in my van. (Hot day. They liked that.) Answered some questions about MORC and suggested the River Bottoms for some guys (without helmets :crazy2: ) looking for someplace else to ride, and even found out the Vikings score for the riders parked next to me. Educate, Assist and Inform; and I did it all in the name of the MORC MTB Patrol. (Even with the big "Backcountry" patch on my jersey.)

Someday, when it's not 91 degrees and humid, I need to get back there and try some of the other loops, but the easy loop was fun and is really a nice trail, and I was there when those little guys ran out of water!

Great job, MORC Leb crew!

Ride safe,
:banana:
Hans

Thanks Hans. It was nice meeting you at Theo today. Thanks for your continued work with the trail patrol. Let me know if you ever want a leisurely guided tour around the rest of leb. Bob S.

[gopherhockey]

Great job, MORC Leb crew!

Ride safe,
:banana:
Hans

Thanks Hans! Wish I coulda taken advantage of the patrol training at Leb... ben waiting for that for a long time, then I miss it. OH well... I'm not too worried that there will be another one sometime in the future.

BTW: Bob, was not I that removed the tree... Hmmm...

[crux]

Who left their bike on the exit of the dream trail? Looks to have a taco'ed front wheel.

Thanks to whoever trimed out the tree on XX.

[jfg]

My buddy and I cleared out most of it by hand Saturday a little before noon. Didn't use any saws or anything though, just good'ol fashioned sweat and stubbornness. It was my friend's first trip out to Leb and he loved it. That's saying a lot considering he just moved here from Utah and is used to riding Moab all the time!:D

-JFG

[bigwheel]

was not I that removed the tree... Hmmm...

I took a hike in at lunch today to check out the handywork. The tree is NOT gone. It looks like some riders were able to break off the low-hanging branches enough that the trail is rideable. (Thanks, for those of you who did it.)

However, the tree is laying in a precarious position on top of a bent over thin tree, ready to completely drop at any time. The tree itself is big (about 1+ ft diam) and rotting, so we will need to take it out completely.

That is a big tree, which I wll need help with. I suggest that we plan to get rid of it tomorrow (tuesday) night during Leb trail work.

[gopherhockey]

That is a big tree, which I wll need help with. I suggest that we plan to get rid of it tomorrow (tuesday) night during Leb trail work.

Hmmm.. nice sized tree right next to the XX trail. You all know what that means don't you!!! :crazy2:

Mother nature must be thinking the trail is too easy for us....

[manual63]

Hmmm.. nice sized tree right next to the XX trail. You all know what that means don't you!!! :crazy2:

Mother nature must be thinking the trail is too easy for us....

Hmmmm....now your thinking! I might just have to come help you guys. Don't know what my plans are like for tomorrow yet, but if they work out......:)

[bigwheel]

My buddy and I cleared out most of it by hand Saturday a little before noon. Didn't use any saws or anything though, just good'ol fashioned sweat and stubbornness. It was my friend's first trip out to Leb and he loved it. That's saying a lot considering he just moved here from Utah and is used to riding Moab all the time!:D

-JFG

Just read your post. Thanks!

It really helps to get trees out of the way as soon as possible. Otherwise, we end up with ride-arounds that are difficult and messy to remove.

Good job, and glad you and your buddy liked the trail.

[dave t]

1.5 inches in my rain-o-meter this morning. I'm less than 3 miles from Leb. Probably best to show up at trail work instead of trying to ride.

[Briman]

Does anybody know what the conditions are at leb today, I want to try out my new tires I got. Looking at going after work today about 5:30

[gopherhockey]

Does anybody know what the conditions are at leb today, I want to try out my new tires I got. Looking at going after work today about 5:30

It should be ok. Was damp last night. There may be a few wet spots on the beginner loop.

Let us know how the new log in the XX rides...

[Briman]

Thanks for the info, I'll let you know when after my ride.

[PaulHill]

It's pretty much perfect. Not dusty and less than a handful of areas where it's tacky. Rode it all last night and had a blast - that new log in XX is a nice addition.

Get out there before it rains again. Leaves are changing colour too.

[gopherhockey]

Got some rain last night... not a lot, but probably enough to want to stay off for a while.

I was going to bid on a new Troll on eBay last night but it ended up going for too much $... hopefully we'll have a new one by next year.

[crux]

The sky opened up around 10:30/11:00 and dumped a decent amount of rain in Burnsville/Eagan (live near <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1 ="">Leb.</st1></st1:country-region>)

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Suggest that we move this weeks night ride to tomorrow evening at 7:00. Think that we are going to pick up a few people who have never seen <st1 =""><st1:country-region w:st="on">Leb.</st1:country-region></st1> in the dark this week as well.

[bigwheel]

Thursday 9/22 night ride. Conditions were surprisingly excellent. Nice and dry, with the exception of a couple tiny puddles. I think Leb was spared from the downpour, and the sun/wind quickly dried it out.

[crux]

I Missed out then. Planning on riding tonight though

Thursday 9/22 night ride. Conditions were surprisingly excellent. Nice and dry, with the exception of a couple tiny puddles. I think Leb was spared from the downpour, and the sun/wind quickly dried it out.

[E36/5]

Anyone ride it today? I'm guessing it's still a bit damp.

[Hathor]

Rode today around 9:30 am. Outer loop is good. Some moist spots in X and XX but ridable I think. Should be totally fine by this afternoon since it is supposed to get up to 75ish. There were quite a few people showing up when I was leaving, so hopefully everyone will still be a little careful in the few usual areas where there is standing water. Got swooped by the owl. That was freaky. Also, good job to Nate and crew on the armoring.

[waitabit]

Rode today at about 11:30, just a few wet/muddy spots but the're probably gone by now.

[E36/5]

Went out at about 2pm. There were a few small spots of standing water. Besides those, it was dry and grease free.

[E36/5]

Friday, 3pm. Great shape :) Just a couple very small muddy spots.

[gopherhockey]

Looks like we've had a good amount of rain with more on the way. Probably a few days before it will be good again.

We'll have to monitor conditions for this weeks night ride...

[jeffgude]

Looks like we've had a good amount of rain with more on the way. Probably a few days before it will be good again.

We'll have to monitor conditions for this weeks night ride...

I think we can forget the night ride this week as its been pouring down rain for hours.

[gopherhockey]

I think we can forget the night ride this week as its been pouring down rain for hours.

Yup, hope to see everyone next week... looks to be wet & cold this week.

[RedSquirrel]

Windy conditions may help dry out the trail by Thursday night... I'm hoping.

[jeffgude]

Not after 3+ inches of rain.

[ryno lite]

Maybe 6-8, I already have 5 inches in MPLS!

[RedSquirrel]

Thursday night ride, a possible NO-GO.

Yep, un-real precip. Yet by Thursday night the trails won't be soggy everywhere. The trail work & efforts to stay off this spring allow quicker recovery, no? So there will be cold (40') and snow (up north) in the region, baaah. Might want to ride before winter really hits.

If Thurs. night is a no go I'll be bummed. I'm getting desparate don't ya know. I've attempted to make it out for the last three weeks night thang. This time I put the law down with the family, I'm going. Go figure....
:crazy:

[jeffgude]

Don't kid yourself, there is no way that the trail will be rideable in the next couple days. A rain this heavy will be an interesting test of our trail design. Any area prone to washout will be a real mess. I expect that most of the Lebanon trail will be intact but too wet to ride for at least the rest of the week. There could be some standing water on the X trail.

[gopherhockey]

We may have Dakota flat out close the trail for a few days... we'll see how things look. I wouldn't plan on being out there for a few days for sure, especially since its still raining. Lebanon can trick us sometimes, but in the past I've also seen it dry up much slower the colder it gets.

[dave t]

My rain bucket overflowed at 5". I had a river through my yard and a pond in the park and street.

Now today is supposed to be REALLY windy. Even to a windsurfer, it is supposed to be really windy.

I bet more trees come down to make even more work out there.

[RedSquirrel]

Good point on the possible down trees. Even if the trail, being cement like sheds water in most places, downed trees may be an issue. Anyone curious? I'm sure an eye witness report will come in soon as the rain is ending...

[dave t]

It looks like the big winds are going to hold off until thursday now but soaked ground and 40 MPH gusts will probably tip something over.
I haven't been out lately. Are the leaves coming off much yet? Once the strong trees loose all their leaves, the dead or sick ones will see alot more wind.

[RedSquirrel]

The Lebanon Hills city trail is closed until further notice.

When will MORC paying members get an update notice??

[gopherhockey]

The Lebanon Hills city trail is closed until further notice.

When will MORC paying members get an update notice??

City trail? Do you mean our mtb trail?

Dakota County closes the trail with significant rainfall amounts or by request from a trail steward/dirt boss of LH. They normally open up again by our request or when they feel the trail is dry.

We usually post here with openings and closings...

[RedSquirrel]

We usually post here with openings and closings...

Yep, the MTB trail. I understand at times due to safety & conditions etc, the trail needs to be closed.
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Although relatively obvious considering recent rain & wind, it was unclear if Leb was actually, officially, unequivocally closed. Wish I would have known tonight that's all.


It seems the trail boss should know what the county is doing, by request or otherwise. We "morc" seem fairly tight with the county no? If so we could keep the status posted here. Just my un-educated thought for tonight.

[bigwheel]

Although relatively obvious considering recent rain & wind, it was unclear if Leb was actually, officially, unequivocally closed. Wish I would have known tonight that's all.

I assume you know about the Trail Conditions section on the home page. The idea is that we (you, me and everyone else) should update the trail status when we get back, so that we can share this information with others. Originally, this forum thread was intended only for additional detailed information.

I see that JL posted "Wet" on tuesday, and I have no reason to believe it was any better today. "Wet" means too wet to ride.

I know everybody already knows this, But it damages the trails to ride them wet. Don't assume that just because the park is open that it is okay to ride there. Use your own judgement.

Anyway, based on your observation today, I updated the Trail Conditions section (on the home page) to say that Leb is closed. When that changes, hopefully somebody (anybody) will update the trail status.

[gopherhockey]

It seems the trail boss should know what the county is doing, by request or otherwise. We "morc" seem fairly tight with the county no? If so we could keep the status posted here. Just my un-educated thought for tonight.

In an ideal world it would be nice if we were informed each time and/or even had more say in it than we already do.

Having said that, however, we are really lucky how closely we do work with Dakota and how often we do communicate.

Long story short, the trail is getting much more TLC than it ever has. We are excited that the county guys realize our trail needs to be closed off and that they take the time (with all the other trails they have to worry about) to do it. More often than not we know about it but not always... and when we don't we rely on others to help warn us in the ways Bob pointed out.

(To my own fault, had I not been so busy I would have called the county the day after that rain, I just didn't get around too it...)

After that significant a rainfall I'm surprised anyone would have gone to the trail that soon after... thats more of an educational issue on our part to try tell riders to just stay away for a few days. Even if the trail had not been closed it would have been best to just give it more time.

[RedSquirrel]

Kool. I was on a mission and quite curious Thursday night. I had a bug to investigate post monsoon/hurricane. I guess my curiousity was answered, and, I reported back my findings. The sign from the county was all I needed.

Believe me if conditions we're bad I'da turn'ed right around ehh. Seriously, I respect the work that's been done at Leb & don't intend to upset the collective owners(morc and everyone else).

Riding in wet, soft condidtions is bad for the trail and quite a danger to rider (on the obstacles.) I know. There was this one dewey morning......... ahh never mind, I'll tell that story another time.

Thanks to all the volunteers, those that report conditions and respect the trail. end :p

[funky-funky-chicken]

Closed as of 7:30am. Orange fences across trailhead. I was there with Roger S and walked a bit of the beginner trail. Ground felt a bit soft. I would imagine with the cold nights, and all the rain the other night, it will take a bit longer for things to dry out.

While Roger and I were standing at the gate, we met three other people on their bikes. One guy seemed convinced to respect the signs and the closed status, but eventually gave into the negative peer pressure of his compatriots. They all rode around the fences and continued to ride. They didn't seem interested in following the rules. (What should a guy do in a situation like that?)

[gopherhockey]

(What should a guy do in a situation like that?)

If they drive there and you see their cars, get the plate numbers or tell them you will do so... or, just let em' ride and do like I do and realize that aside from a few good and intelligent people (such as those reading this post) most of mankind sucks...

(nice attitude huh?)

There are a lot of selfish a-hole mountain bikers out there to be sure...

[funky-funky-chicken]

If they drive there and you see their cars, get the plate numbers or tell them you will do so... or, just let em' ride and do like I do and realize that aside from a few good and intelligent people (such as those reading this post) most of mankind sucks...

(nice attitude huh?)

There are a lot of selfish a-hole mountain bikers out there to be sure...

I had hopes for the one guy Chris (<-I think) who stopped and talked with Roger and me. He lives down by Dale Gundberg and knew all about how the trails were constructed and by volunteer efforts and such. He seemed genuinely concerned about following the rules and our suggestion to not ride. He was a new rider (on a borrowed bike) who was going to meet a couple of his "buddies" who were running a little late.

However, in the true test, when the buddies showed up, Chris followed along with his "buddies." They knew enough about the trails, knew they could park over in the other lot by the tennis courts since the gate was locked. They showed no concern for our recommendations not to ride then proceeded to go around the orange fence and continue to ride. So, these guys obviously fall into the "selfish a-hole mountain bikers" category!

So, the trails were closed. We verbally informed them, there's a big sign on the locked gate, orange constuction fence across the entrance to the trails, a clear sign that says "Trail Closed" and they still continued to ride. Proof that education doesn't always work. I hope they crash! A-holes.

[soupboy]

and who ultimately makes the call? I needs to ride.

[bikingbruise]

by there at about 11:30. The lot is packed. Looks like the trail is open (why else would all the cars be there)?

[soupboy]

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by there at about 11:30. The lot is packed. Looks like the trail is open (why else would all the cars be there)?

[tedsti]

The trail is open and mostly tacky with a couple puddles in the usual spots. There are two trees down along the side of the trail. A small one just before the double log drop in the XX and a big one right before the new log in the XX. Neither one is across the trail, they just narrow the trail.

[soupboy]

...please ride through them, not wide of them.

Remember, you're "mountain" biking. Keep singletrack singletrack.

The trail is open and mostly tacky with a couple puddles in the usual spots.

[jeffgude]

Trail in great shape today. Better than it has been in several weeks. Mud puddles are now pretty much dry. Great ride today.

[Don Youngdahl]

...please ride through them, not wide of them.

Why?

Riding through puddles makes them deeper and bigger, holding a bit more water after each succeeding rain. Riding around them allows them to dry out without growing into a big mud pit after repeated rains.

Think about this a bit.

Is it better to make a puddle bigger and deeper or to go around it? So what if it widens the trail by a few inches over a 6 foot distance. Better that than creating a mud pit that the majority of riders will still ride around, creating a truly ugly wide and muddy spot in the trail.

Don Youngdahl

[bigwheel]

Why?

Riding through puddles makes them deeper and bigger, holding a bit more water after each succeeding rain. Riding around them allows them to dry out without growing into a big mud pit after repeated rains.

Think about this a bit.

Is it better to make a puddle bigger and deeper or to go around it? So what if it widens the trail by a few inches over a 6 foot distance. Better that than creating a mud pit that the majority of riders will still ride around, creating a truly ugly wide and muddy spot in the trail.

Don Youngdahl

Don, I'm not picking sides, but the thinking about riding through the puddles is that:
1: We should not be riding when there are puddles becauses it damages the trail. However, since we are there damaging the trail, we should do it in the way that is easiest to repair.
2: If we ride around the puddle, the ruts/puddles get bigger and bigger. Since the dirt near the puddle is muddy, that will just keep getting pushed out more and more, and splash into the adjacent woods. This makes the trail wider and wider, and no longer a trail. If I remember correctly, there are parts of the River Bottoms trail, west of the raft where this has happened. (I haven't ridden there lately)
3: If we ride through the puddles, it makes them deeper, but not wider. This is easier to repair because most of the displaced dirt will be at the edges of the trail. A few minutes with a McLeod and we can push the dirt back in place, and hopefully also find a way to shed the water before we've also damaged the surrounding area.

Again, I'm not saying that I know for a fact that it is better to ride through. But, this is what the experts have been saying, so I'll believe them (for now) until they change their minds.

Bob S.

[mcarples]

leb is already wide enough that another six inches will make a big difference

[destrago]

Just got off the trail. GREAT shape. there's no standing water and only a few moist spots. However, there are already a LOT of leaves down. On some of the less ridden and slower sections the trail is a little hidden (The end of X between the XX entrance and Dream is the worst). Anyone have a leaf blower? Given a leaf blower or a broom and permission I'll gladly go out and help remedy this.:)

Without going into too much detail, I will mention that there are some long (lots actually) skid marks on the bigger climb in the middle of the Dream trail which were definately not made by people skidding out while going up it. At the very bottom right after the corner is the worst and the trail is getting a little torn up. Just a word of caution to those riding the trail at night.

-Tony

[waitabit]

Rode the trail today and saw a tree fall, right in the opening before the X loop a huge tree snapped and fell on some smaller tree's, freaked me out as I was standing there!It look's like only a matter of time before it fall's, and if it does it'll fall right on the log entrance.

[bigwheel]

Rode the trail today and saw a tree fall, right in the opening before the X loop a huge tree snapped and fell on some smaller tree's, freaked me out as I was standing there!It look's like only a matter of time before it fall's, and if it does it'll fall right on the log entrance.

Was this tree in the "hang-out" area, where the INT meets the beginning of the X and end of XX ? If so, maybe we can get it tonight when we are in there with the chainsaw.

[waitabit]

Was this tree in the "hang-out" area, where the INT meets the beginning of the X and end of XX ? If so, maybe we can get it tonight when we are in there with the chainsaw.That's where it is, if you look towards the entrance to the X you can see it hanging there, right over the log entrance.

[bigwheel]

Last night, we removed the downed trees going into Ted's log and along the catwalk.

We ended up leaving the hanging tree at the entrance to the X, although we cleaned up the branches and brush that was clogging the entrance. The tree seems pretty stable right now, and looks like it will be a several-person effort to drop and move it. Plus it looks like a widdow-maker for someone trying to cut it from the underside.

So, we'll let God drop it for us, then we'll decide what to do with the result. Maybe we can make a new qualifier to help discourage the riff-raff vigilantes who take it upon themselves to dumb down the expert trail.

[waitabit]

Last night, we removed the downed trees going into Ted's log and along the catwalk.

We ended up leaving the hanging tree at the entrance to the X, although we cleaned up the branches and brush that was clogging the entrance. The tree seems pretty stable right now, and looks like it will be a several-person effort to drop and move it. Plus it looks like a widdow-maker for someone trying to cut it from the underside.

So, we'll let God drop it for us, then we'll decide what to do with the result. Maybe we can make a new qualifier to help discourage the riff-raff vigilantes who take it upon themselves to dumb down the expert trail.Cool, thanx Bob, your hard work definitely does not go unappreciated, I can't stress that enough.;)

[bigwheel]

Last night (10/13), the intermediate and dream were pretty good, but had a few slippery spots on them.

The X/XX sections were still damp. I suggest staying off of them until around noon today.

Everything should be excellent for this afternoon and weekend.

[Buck]

Tree hangin' over entrance to X section, I wacked my head on it airin' the logs into the entrance led to me wackin' my balls on the seat in the process of gettin' beaten off my ride! hahaha it was all good, I broke off the lowest branches, but a chainsaw would probably be a good idea for the rest

Oherwise I had a killer ride with a guy named John from Long Lake! Thanks a ton for the good ride! Always fun to hook up with a stranger and go rip some single track! Hope my advice helped!
L8R
Buck

[bigwheel]

Tree hangin' over entrance to X section, I wacked my head on it airin' the logs into the entrance led to me wackin' my balls on the seat in the process of gettin' beaten off my ride! hahaha it was all good, I broke off the lowest branches, but a chainsaw would probably be a good idea for the rest

Sounds like Mike C's tree shook loose in the wind yesterday. Maybe we can take it out before the night ride on Thursday.

Either that or Buck is getting too much air and needs a heavier bike.

[bigwheel]

In the last couple of days, has anyone seen the falling tree at the entrance to X?

I'm wondering how bad it is, to see if we need to take it out right away, or if it can wait for a while. Buck says he hit his head on it, but he usually has about 10 feet of air under his tires.

[Buck]

In the last couple of days, has anyone seen the falling tree at the entrance to X?

I'm wondering how bad it is, to see if we need to take it out right away, or if it can wait for a while. Buck says he hit his head on it, but he usually has about 10 feet of air under his tires.

hahaha, yeah it is probably OK, I broke off the branches I could reach, and felt safe taking down by hand. Taller people might hit their heads on it, and especially if you air the log pile...I plan on being out there today around 4:30. I don't have a chainsaw, but I'd be happy to stick around and help if anyone is going out there tonight.
L8R
Buck

[gopherhockey]

Lets take a look at it. If its down but solid, its an obstacle. ;)


If its down and sketchy we ought to make plans to remove it. Not sure tonight during a night ride is the right time tho.

[timmy]

Anyone know the condition of Leb? Thinking of riding around 5:00 -5:30.

[soupboy]

Say, the tree underpass on the climb out of the XX seems to be getting lower everytime I'm out there. [The tree the Gnome used to hang out on.]

Even chest to saddle now I'm clipping my C'back or lights.

This tree is heightist.

[bigwheel]

Say, the tree underpass on the climb out of the XX seems to be getting lower everytime I'm out there. [The tree the Gnome used to hang out on.]

Even chest to saddle now I'm clipping my C'back or lights.

This tree is heightist.

I've been thinking the same thing. Thumped my helmet on it several times. Being tall isn't always an advantage.

We can either prop it up better or cut it out. I'm inclined to just prop it up, as it is one of the "trademark" locations that everybody knows about.

[gopherhockey]

I've been thinking the same thing. Thumped my helmet on it several times. Being tall isn't always an advantage.

We can either prop it up better or cut it out. I'm inclined to just prop it up, as it is one of the "trademark" locations that everybody knows about.

I vote prop it up too. It would be really sad to see this one go away.

[tedsti]

Prop is my vote.

We should take a 2 minute look around tomorrow for any propping logs and also what we can leverage off of to raise it.

[gopherhockey]

Prop is my vote.

We should take a 2 minute look around tomorrow for any propping logs and also what we can leverage off of to raise it.

Maybe we can steal some of the logs down by Ted's log and bring them up to use for propping as well. Eliminate the temptation for those dumbing down the trail and fix our tree at the same time.

I'm for poking around for a few minutes Thursday to see what can be done.

[SuperClydesdale]

Maybe we can steal some of the logs down by Ted's log and bring them up to use for propping as well. Eliminate the temptation for those dumbing down the trail and fix our tree at the same time.

I'm for poking around for a few minutes Thursday to see what can be done.

Ummm.... I like know of some logs we can steal to use as props. They are very close to the log that needs to be propped up as well, and currently scattered haphazardly across the trail :D

Are these the logs you are thinking of John? 4 dancing bananas if the asnwer is yes.

mark

[gopherhockey]

Ummm.... I like know of some logs we can steal to use as props. They are very close to the log that needs to be propped up as well, and currently scattered haphazardly across the trail :D

Are these the logs you are thinking of John? 4 dancing bananas if the asnwer is yes.

mark

Nice try ;)

[Don Youngdahl]

We can either prop it up better or cut it out.




A few months ago there was a spate of alarmed posts in this forum about the possibility of a lawsuit by some jerk that hurt himself because he rode beyond his ability and hurt himself.
There have been several posts on this forum regarding folks that ride the trail in the wrong direction - frowned upon, but it definitely does happen occasionally. Coming at that tree from uphill, there is a much greater chance that a rider would be "at speed" than travelling in the right direction.
If you've ever hit your head hard on an overhead hazard, you realize that all the force of the collision is transmitted to your body via the neck, which contains the spinal column. This is in contrast to most other falls or collisions, where some other body part usually absorbs at least part of the collision force. I'm not a doctor, but I am aware that most quadraplegics and paraplegics got that way from a spinal cord injury.
Connect the dots, folks. The tree should be cut out.

Don Youngdahl

[soupboy]

it's not a challenge or obstacle, more of an ornamental feature that at some point is going to give way to Madre Nature anyway. Possibly giving way into someone's cranium.

Maybe somebody can make good gnome/bad gnome chainsaw carvings out of the existing prop-upper logs? :beard:

[TML]

Don has a bit of a point here.

As much as I am in favor of the troll tree remaining, for nostalgia purposes, it may be time for it to go if the only remedy is to prop it up artificially.

If we jack it back up and put supports under it, it is no longer a natural structure. If for some reason the supports failed and the tree slipped suddenly, we have had a hand in its demise. It may put us in a negligent position. Just a consideration. . .

[gopherhockey]

I still say we should leave it as is. Its not like its going to topple over as it is, and it is on a XX trail. Its nowhere near as difficult as other obstacles, if we start cutting things like this out then lets just remove all the bridges and teeter and pave it over.

Having said that, we certainly won't spend THAT much effort to save it if mother nature wants it to come down (as Sean E mentioned) There are other trees that will fall over our path... maybe a double sided gnome gateway would be nice there too.

... but for now, the goal is to keep it and not dumb down the trail even further - effort willing.

[dave t]

Or..

drop it in place and leave it right where it lands. build a semi narrow ramp over the log way off to one side and leave a clear un-assisted path for riders who want to develop their big obstacle skills. I know that it is a really big log but there are definately riders that are able to handle it and plenty that would like to give it a shot. If there is a semi-challenging ramp, maybe the trail whoosies won't see fit to pile up a log ramp on the really tricky part.

[gopherhockey]

We stopped and took a look last night. I sat there and watched everyone get under the log with absolutely no issue (even with lights on). Yes, its fallen a bit - but not all that much really. Its very solid on the right side and we think all we need to do is jack up the left side and put some support under it.

It could also be that dirt has filled in under it as well. there was always a low spot there with a small dirt mound in front and behind. We can re-shape this area too.

I think this will save the tree as a good obstacle and preserve one of the signature parts of the XX.

Personally I could see the tree sinking another 6-12" before I'd be too worried about it becoming a real issue. We have some time to get this fixed in the next few weeks or even next spring if necessary.

Hopefully we can replace the lost Troll as well and all will be right in the world.

We have enough logs to ride over, its fun to have a few to go under.

[waitabit]

I rode Leb. on Saturday early and got swooped at by the Owl, that was awesome, I got home and looked it up and it definitely was a Great Grey.

And the trail was in great shape.

[destrago]

I rode Leb. on Saturday early and got swooped at by the Owl, that was awesome.

Having just watched the series (a couple of years after the fact) Twin Peaks, that's kinda creepy.

-Tony

[Tim Wegner]

It is possible that dirt has filled