Trail Conditions in Detail - Lebanon Hills

[Scuba Steve1]

Just a heads up everyone. There's a raccoon camped by the 2nd bridge in the new section. It looked like it was convulsing. I'm no expert, but it looked like rabies possibly.

The raccoon remained on the trail and looked to be on it's last leg, but suddenly started pacing the trail and approaching people in a some what disorientated fashion. The whole episode lasted at least 10 minutes.

Some guy there called the cops just to inform someone. I don't think they did anything though. The met him in the parking lot, but took off moments later.

There was definitely something wrong with that animal and it didn't look like an trying to protect anything...

[soupboy]

Finally got to ride the new additions today with my bro-in-law in town from Milwokay. He was very impressed with the quality as was I.

Great stuff Leb Trail Crew!!!! Thanks for all your hard work. It is very much appreciated.

Sean

[gopherhockey]

Sprinkling on and off. Leb needs rain as its getting very dusty.

[Digger]

Did Leb get enough rain to close? It was pretty wet south of the river this morning.

[bigwheel]

Did Leb get enough rain to close? It was pretty wet south of the river this morning.

I'm on the north side of Eagan, (about 6 miles north of leb) and don't think we got that much. Maybe 1/4 inch or so.

The trail was very dry last night, so a few sprinkles will be good.

This is a guess, but I'm thinking it will be okay to ride this evening. Of course, if it looks wet, please try to find a way to bail, and spread the word to anyone who will listen.

[dave t]

Rain came down really hard just after I got back from my ride. Four guys started their lap right ahead of me on my half lap over to Galaxy so I'm pretty sure they were caught in it.
The trail was in good condition after the morning rain and the afternoon storm that just grazed Leb but the last one had to have scored a direct hit. I would guess it needs some drying time now.

[valeried]

Any news on current trail conditions?

[gopherhockey]

Any news on current trail conditions?

My guess is late afternoon to early evening it should be ok.

[gopherhockey]

Another storm headed right for Leb... I would guess that calling off any riding tonight is the right thing to do.

[Nutmeg]

It's pouring about 3 miles away and it has been for at least the last 20 minutes. . .so yeah, wet.

[MikeyB]

It's pouring about 3 miles away and it has been for at least the last 20 minutes. . .so yeah, wet.

Damn!

[gopherhockey]

Major soaking rain. Please don't ride at all today (Wed)

[Rick Shaw]

I was driving by Leb while working today and it was pouring rain. How long does it generaly take for the trail to dry out from so much water in such a short amount of time?

[gopherhockey]

I was driving by Leb while working today and it was pouring rain. How long does it generaly take for the trail to dry out from so much water in such a short amount of time?

Hard to say. My guess is if we don't get any more rain tonight it should be ok by Thursday.

Looks like about .22" fell



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[dave t]

Looks like about .22" fell

My gage showed just under a half inch. The storms the last few days have been the type that pour down buckets here but almost nothing 300 yards away.
Since we're on opposite sides of the park, I'd say the truth lies somewhere between 1/4" and 1/2".

[Specialeded]

Any rain at Leb today?

[gopherhockey]

Any rain at Leb today?

Rain free so far. Riding should be ok...

[bigwheel]

Conditions: Tacky to damp last night. Should be perfect by now.

[hops]

15-Aug, 5:30 pm

The trial is nice and tacky.

There are a number of corners holding a significant amount of fine loose dirt that may cause you trouble.

[hops]

Monday, 18-Aug, 5:30pm

The trail is in fantastic shape. It's on the dry side of tacky but rides exceptionally well. I didn't notice any unexpectedly loose corners.


On a side note (I'm posting this because my wife doesn't ride and I want to share)...
After a feeling and riding very poorly at Murphy yesterday and feeling lousy for most of today, I had one of the best rides of my life.


It was the smoothest and most flowing ride I have ever had. I finished Leb in 45:37 with out pushing too hard. It was just a fantastic ride. I don't know how things came together so well but they sure did.

I wish you all the same experience.

Steve and John, I'm sorry the timing didn't work out. I would have loved to share this with someone.

[gopherhockey]

New trail is still pretty bumpy and getting dry again. Difficult to get this new trail in proper shape without rain. We'll fix any areas that need it once we get the right amount of moisture...

The one berm exit does need to be addressed asap. I think its the trail, not the berm. Looks like a pretty good trail of riders going off the edge. We'll get to this in the next few weeks or when trailwork starts in Sept.

There are a few turns out there that kinda bust the nice flow.. we will address this too as necessary.

Trail is fun, but really needs more rain to avoid the dry areas busting apart.

Rest of the trail is like riding on pavement.

[tacdad]

Rest of the trail is like riding on pavement.
Kinda feels like it too. Not sure how, but some braking bumps got the better of me at a higher speed and I went down. I'll be fine though, my face broke the fall.:hit:

Otherwise, trail was a blast today. Fast, fast, fast.:)

[demonale]

Rode the new section at Leb for the second time the other day...
Being that I thought I knew what was in store, I pushed my speed a little too much- ended up going over a bermed section and into a large tree. Ouch.

Apart from a dented helmet (and ego), no real damage was done- a few cuts and bruises here and there but nothing too bad. It did get me thinking though, about helmets and how important they are. This is the second time a lid has saved me from serious injury- the first time was on a motorcycle when a car pulled out infront of me from a side road. I still remember the sound the impact made...
Anyway I know I'm probably preaching to the converted, but i make a point of telling people I know who ride without helmets, either on or off road, how they can save a trip to the ER or worse by wearing one.

Anyway, thoroughly enjoying the new section- the trail designers/ builders have done an incredible job . One of these days my work schedule will allow me to come out and help. Failing that I'll get you some beers.

[bigwheel]

Thurs night Aug 21

Good condition, although dry and dusty.

As Chris mentioned, watch out coming off hot out of the new berms. The trail is wearing away on a couple exits, but too dry for us to do much about it. Stay to the inside of the berm exits and you'll be fine.

[soupboy]

Apart from a dented helmet (and ego), no real damage was done...

Glad you're ok. You probably know this but it's time to get a new helmet if you damaged your current one.

[hops]

Monday night, 25-Aug

Dry and dusty.

[Shumlaw]

The one berm exit does need to be addressed asap. I think its the trail, not the berm. Looks like a pretty good trail of riders going off the edge. We'll get to this in the next few weeks or when trailwork starts in Sept.

Still kind of new to posting and trail riding in general, so if this is useless, ignore it... Anyhow, I've actually found that, if I hang to the left/outside coming out of the berm, then pull in to the right a little later than expected, I've avoided any issues of trailing off to the left at that semi-uphill turn.

[gopherhockey]

A little rain this morning but nothing to be concerned about (yet). Trail was very dry to begin with. Wish we could get a couple days in a row of slow rain...

[valeried]

Any word on recent trail conditions?

[gopherhockey]

I think about .20" of rain.. as dry as it was it should be ok out there.

[hops]

Monday, 27-Aug, 6:30 pm

The trail is mostly tacky with some damp spots and the usual problem areas. Overall, good riding conditions but some corners are showing a little damage.

The rain greatly helped the new trail.


Significant rain tonight may not be absorbed before the Thursday ride.

[gopherhockey]

Looks like another round about to hit. Might need to reconsider Thursday riding. Lets see how much we get overnight.

[Steven W.]

I don't think I've ever been this happy to hear that it's raining. Bring it on.

[hops]

I don't think I've ever been this happy to hear that it's raining. Bring it on.


I know... I understand.... Still... much easier to say, when you have had more that one complete ride on your new bike. So many unexpected impediments to riding... it's killing me!

[gopherhockey]

Looks like Leb got appx .5" of rain yesterday and almost 1" since midnight with more to come this morning. Time to give the trail a day to dry out.

Lets wait until at least Friday to ride. Thanks....

[dave t]

Yea, I measured .4 yesterday morning and just now, another 1.75 so no doubt, it's wet.

[hops]

Thursday, 4:45 ---> Still to soft to ride.

I stopped by Leb on my way home, to see (on foot) if there was any chance of riding tonight. Nope. Even the entry and exit points are still soft, which to me, eliminates any hope of a ride.

Unfortunately, some others do not agree and there were people riding. Among them was a group of six that, judging by their attire (street cloths and no helmets), will not be soft on the trail.

[V2Neal]

Yeah at 6PM there was no lack of cars in the lot.

[At the Gates 2121]

Yeah at 6PM there was no lack of cars in the lot.


why are people such morons come on people common sense:banghead::nono:

[V2Neal]

I share your sentiment Joel, but have come to realize it's not worth getting worked up about, as not everyone is as avid (rabbid?) about MTB riding as most on this forum. Nor does everyone who uses the trails read here and know or follow proper ettiquete for their rides. All we can do is promote thie site and educate those who are willing and able. :snack:

[gopherhockey]

Hopefully the trail will be good on Friday. Thanks to all those who stayed off while others did not.

[strk9]

Friday around 5 you think the trail will be ok to ride?

[gopherhockey]

Friday around 5 you think the trail will be ok to ride?

Yup, should be fine. Enjoy!

Hopefully some of the rain soaked in out there...

[strk9]

thanks...

[At the Gates 2121]

I share your sentiment Joel, but have come to realize it's not worth getting worked up about, as not everyone is as avid (rabbid?) about MTB riding as most on this forum. Nor does everyone who uses the trails read here and know or follow proper ettiquete for their rides. All we can do is promote thie site and educate those who are willing and able. :snack:


lol I already do promote like mad. I just hate seeing morons making more work for the volunteers especially in a year where i havent gotten out to help unlike years past where I was able to help more. I know what work needs to be donewhen people don't use there head... And yes I am preaching to the chior can I get an Amen?

[dave t]

Oh so nice Friday just before dark. Even the usual mudiest patches were back to just Play-Dough.

[hops]

The new trail is pretty much dry again and approaching dusty. The rest of the trail is in great shape. Oddly, there appears to be a rock missing (or at least misplaced) at the XX entrance.

[Ish]

Oddly, there appears to be a rock missing (or at least misplaced) at the XX entrance.


http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28307

[hops]

I wasn't pointing the finger... just pointing it out. ;)

[gopherhockey]

The trail fairy trimmed from the parking lot to the Galaxie entrance. Should have less eye pokers now and be ready for fall night riding.

[Rocky Mountain]

It's OK to point fingers at Soupboy and then throw in a junk punch when he is not looking since he is on Vicodin and will not feel any pain. Just don't talk bad about his mom because that is just not polite. :laugh:

I wasn't pointing the finger... just pointing it out. ;)

[soupboy]

It's OK to point fingers at Soupboy and then throw in a junk punch when he is not looking since he is on Vicodin and will not feel any pain. Just don't talk bad about his mom because that is just not polite. :laugh:

Hah! Unfortunately the only thing that really moved was my shoulder.:p The crash was caused by a loose rock that moved and redirected my front wheel into another rock - instaendoOTB. I'd never modify a trail other than that godforsaken gnomelog!

[redrider]

the trail is awesome! there is maybe 2-3 wet spots but they will be dry by monday. Lebanon could almost use a little sprinkle, I was dusty when I was done doing two laps, sunday, and I didn't wipe once.-heh! I liked Murphy just a little more but the new exit section at Lebanon has changed my mind. I will definetely be there Monday.

[gopherhockey]

Thanks to my fellow trail fairies Tom and Steve for helping replace the rotting out logs on the log drop obstacle in the XX. Nice work!

[Steven W.]

Thanks to my fellow trail fairies Tom and Steve for helping replace the rotting out logs on the log drop obstacle in the XX. Nice work!

Man, I knew MORC would turn me into a fairy. Good work, men!

[hops]

Thanks to my fellow trail fairies Tom and Steve for helping replace the rotting out logs on the log drop obstacle in the XX. Nice work!


Anytime.

Next time, I will try not to destroy any tools.

[SPR]

The trail fairy trimmed from the parking lot to the Galaxie entrance. Should have less eye pokers now and be ready for fall night riding.
Thank you, nice work..the trail was in great shape this morning. Despite the dry conditions I think the humidty kept the dust down.

[trompete]

Tuesday, 11:30 AM. Trail survived the first set of rain. All the rain did was discolor the dirt, and it was dry by the time we finished. The next batch of rain coming in looks more menacing.

[gopherhockey]

Tuesday, 11:30 AM. Trail survived the first set of rain. All the rain did was discolor the dirt, and it was dry by the time we finished. The next batch of rain coming in looks more menacing.

Looks like the second round isn't turning out to be much after all. Stay tuned, but it doesn't look like riding will be affected for tonight.

[Stonehenge]

I was out to Leb on Sunday ( first ride there since winter ). Trail was in vrey good condition but then I notices new cuttings on the trail, more and more as I rode and all the while I am thinking not to pedal so I dont loose a rear derailuer. They were right in the middle of the trail, not the side.

So my question is - (And I can speculate about the the answer(s) )
Why in the middle of the trail with brush/ branch clippings?
This took away from the ride experience.

When I do trail work these things do not stay on the trail for even a short time. Just wondering the reasoning

By the way the new exit section was more than I had heard about and will be a gas as it gets buffed in. ( I still miss the old one too )

Thanks to my fellow trail fairies Tom and Steve for helping replace the rotting out logs on the log drop obstacle in the XX. Nice work!

[gopherhockey]

So my question is - (And I can speculate about the the answer(s) )
Why in the middle of the trail with brush/ branch clippings?
This took away from the ride experience.



Its a lot of work to trim the trail and then "sweep" it completely clean after. These trimmings usually only last a short while, and the bulk are removed as to not cause a danger to riders.

It could be that some still fall onto the trail after trimming has been completed, thats just nature moving things around.

Riders are welcome to move potentially dangerous trimmings off the trail if they find them. We always appreciate when people help with things like face slappers etc.

Thanks for your understanding and appreciation of the volunteers efforts.

[gopherhockey]

Thanks to Steve W. for taking his afternoon and trimming up the beginner trail today. :banana::banana:

Trail should be in good condition with only a few spots left to trim up before winter.

[trompete]

Thursday, 12 PM.

Fast and dusty.

Watch out for the trail breaking away after berm #2 of the new section. My coworker almost ate a tree there, and the tracks seem to say that other people are doing the same thing.

[gopherhockey]

Watch out for the trail breaking away after berm #2 of the new section. My coworker almost ate a tree there, and the tracks seem to say that other people are doing the same thing.

Yup, thats a bad one. As soon as we get decent soaking rain out there we will fix it up. We didn't anticipate the need for a wider corner in that spot. (you have to exit the berm a bit earlier to avoid the outside)

[stpmtnbiker]

Rode it last night, and thought it was in excellent condition. Yes, fast and dry, but it was great! Thanks for all the hard work, I saw that some of the areas had some leaves down, but nothing to spoil my ride (except my own riding skills). Sorry to hear somebody hit it on a wrong day....

[KonaDude]

So my question is - (And I can speculate about the the answer(s) )
Why in the middle of the trail with brush/ branch clippings?
This took away from the ride experience.


My question is... why not leave it all there? I think the trails are getting too clean and smooth! Mess 'em up a little for crying out loud... it is "off-road" after all! :jumpy:

Seriously, though, the trail at Lebanon is fantastic! I love the new stuff and overall, this trail has to be the best in the area.

[bigwheel]

My question is... why not leave it all there? I think the trails are getting too clean and smooth! Mess 'em up a little for crying out loud... it is "off-road" after all! :jumpy:

Thanks for the comments from both sides.

The clippings are there because we haven't gotten around to removing them yet. The trimmer is a fairly dangerous piece of equipment, and it takes a long time to trim the trail. So, we don't want to distract the operator with the chore of removing the clippings.

About leaving them there, clippings (and leaves) are organic matter. We go out of our way to try and keep the tread as mineral, usually with a power leaf blower in the fall. If we let organic matter (such as leaves) work its way into the tread, then then soil becomes unstable and we end up with places that hold water and eventually turn into ruts. This topic gets debated every year. If we want to debate it again, let's resurrect an old thread and work from there.

Meanwhile, the trail is in great condition as of last night.

[hops]

Friday, 6pm

It's a little dry and dusty but other than that, the trail is in good shape.

Very few clippings remain. I wouldn't have noticed the few that were there, if I hadn't been looking for them. They seem to clear up pretty quickly.

[gopherhockey]

A few showers rolling through the area with Lebanon getting a small amount. Shouldn't impact Sunday's riding, although more showers are expected tomorrow.

[MJM]

Walked out onto the trail from the Galaxie trailhead at 0730 this morning. No puddles in the usual hollow spots. Trail is damp with very thin-to-no mush layer on top where the dust usually sits, a little shiny in appearance on the hard-pack. Some fresh tracks from someone riding already today - should be good to go and improving throughout the day as long as we don't get more rain.

[Ish]

Sunday AM. Awsome tackiness!
Get some.


*edit* it's starting to sprinkle in Eagan.

Window = closed :cryin:

[gopherhockey]

Trail looks to be in good condition.

Thanks to Steve and Ken who helped fix up the log ladder today, patching up some easy lines that were forming, and added a few more steps. (2 down, 1 1/2 up)

We're not done yet!

[Steven W.]

Trail was in great shape. Just the usual couple damp spots...fast and fun!

[hops]

Monday, 6:00 pm

The trail is still in great shape. No dampness but plenty of tacky sweetness. Even the new section is tacky.


Great work with the log ladder. With the exception of the last step up, the new steps felt like they had always been there. That last one is going to catch some people trying to pick up speed - it almost got me. Very nice!

[trompete]

Tuesday, 12:00 PM.

Starting to get dusty again.

[gopherhockey]

9/11 at 8am: Looks like ~.30" of rain fell in the area. With the lack of sun it will probably be too wet to ride for most if not all of the day (Thursday).

(with trail work tonight you won't want to be poaching...)

[hops]

Thursday, 11-September, 9pm

Leb is wet. It received significant rain today and will be too wet to ride until well into the day Friday.

[ez4me2c3d]

I'm thinking about taking off early from work to ride, but I am afraid to make the drive just to find out it's wet.

Anyone been out there today? Or going out there?

[bigwheel]

I haven't been over there today, but I think that the trail will be dry enough to ride this evening. Someone please post an update if you get chance to check it out.

Of course, the normal rules apply. If you are leaving tracks then you probably should not be there. Please use your best judgment and be kind to the trail.
.

[hops]

Trail is perfect!
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[hops]

Friday, 4pm

Leb is in fantastic shape. Pure tacky sweetness with only a few wet spots. Riding conditions do not get much better than this!

[rihaha]

What do you mean by wet spots, puddles or damp areas? Do you think it is something that would spread with a larger group and become trail work stuff?

[gopherhockey]

What do you mean by wet spots, puddles or damp areas? Do you think it is something that would spread with a larger group and become trail work stuff?

I think you should be ok. There may be some slick corners but nothing we can't take care of eventually. If it looks otherwise you can always skip the X/XX. Enjoy your ride!

[hops]

I think you should be ok. There may be some slick corners but nothing we can't take care of eventually. If it looks otherwise you can always skip the X/XX. Enjoy your ride!

No slick corners. Just the typical 2-4 wet spots/puddles in problem areas.

As always, ride through the middle of puddles to reduce trail work repairs and trail creep.

Seriously, get out and ride. It's a beautiful day!

[gopherhockey]

Sat. morning and we're getting a trace of rain coming down slowly in the area. Probably will make for damp conditions. Looks like the showers will be off and on for the rest of the day and also Sunday, so be aware the trail may be too wet to ride at some point this weekend.

[hops]

Anybody take a look at the trail late this afternoon? I'd like to ride Sunday morning early but would rather know ahead of time to take out the road bike if its too wet after the spritz we received today. Thanks!

Saturday PM
I have not been out to Leb but I live close. It rained pretty much all day, in Eagan. The trail was tacky before the rain and I would expect that it will be too wet to ride until late in the day Sunday, at the earliest.

[hops]

Sunday, 14-September

At 10:00 AM, it was still too wet to ride. We have not had much sun so I don't think that it has improved much since then.

[hops]

Sunday, 14-September, 2pm

It is raining again in Eagan. Leb was damp/wet before. It will certainly be too wet to ride for the rest of the day.

Yea, I'm disappointed too.

[gopherhockey]

Monday, Sept. 15 @ 10am

Lebanon Hills got significant rains over the last few days and will need considerable drying time before anyone should ride. My best guess right now is that Tuesday is the earliest anyone should be riding based on what I have heard.

[hops]

Monday, 15-Sept. 5pm

The trail is still very wet and clearly not okay to ride.


My plan was to give Murphy a try, since it usually dries faster than Leb. However, my curiosity got the better of me and I went to check out Lebanon.

Between the entrance and the turn after the first crossing, there were 5-8 unavoidable puddles with tracks through them. I'm sure it only gets worse from there.

Check out the pictures Shad posted of Theo, if you want to know how Leb looks.

Consolation prize: Cellars has Surly Fest!

[trompete]

Tuesday, 11:30 AM

Trail is tacky with a few small wet spots in trouble areas. There is a small tree down on the first up-hill to the congregation area (the one that was opened last year), just before the log step and sharp right. It really kills your momentum.

[dave t]

Heads up for trailwork in the area of the first berm in the new section!! (Other roving work tonight also)
We'll be out there this evening taking a shot at perfecting the flow through there. Probably a mixture of tweaking the last half of the berm and the trail after the berm. We'll be working on the approach too.

[hops]

Tuesday, 16-September, 5pm

The trail is mostly tacky but the problem wet spots appear to have grown in size and number.

The two small momentum killing (understatement) trees have been moved to the side of the trail.

[bigwheel]

Wed 8/17 night.

Trail was in excellent shape. Two tiny damp spots near the end, but otherwise tacky and fast.

Kudos to the Tuesday night crew. The fixes look great.

[leclaire808]

Trail is in good shape. The beginning and ending portions of the trail is nice and tacky. The x-loop and xx-loop get a little dry and dusty, but overall good riding.

[MikeyB]

Tree Down in the intermediate loop just before the H6 sign.

[bigwheel]

How big is the tree? Gettable with a 10-inch hand saw?

[MikeyB]

How big is the tree? Gettable with a 10-inch hand saw?

Yeah that should work...it's a large dead branch. The rest of the tree landed on the side of the trail. I couldn't move it because the branch was between two trees.

[bigwheel]

Thanks.

So, conditions are great, but watch for a tree down in the Joey trail. We'll try to take care of it tonight.

[MikeyB]

"T' branch be 'V' shaped and you can walk starboard through it. Trail was in great shape but watch out for random small branches on t' trail. This wind be knockin' off went t' Davy Jones' locker branches from t' trees. "

[Herm]

There was a huge ten-point buck right above the big rock drop last night. He thought awhile before running off. Looks like he thinks he's the trail boss!

[hops]

Monday, 22-Sept @ 6pm

Lebanon is fast, dry, and free of unintentional obstructions. It's the first day of fall. Ride while you can.

[gopherhockey]

Tuesday night - 7:25pm

We've had rain all day today, looks like around 2" at Leb. With that much rain we will want to avoid riding the trail tomorrow (Wed) so that things can dry up.

Please avoid riding on Wed. Things should be dry by Thursday.

[dave t]

I don't know if it was really spotty or if Greenleaf reads low but my rain-o-meter had just barely less than 2 inches. Water was flowing through my back yard.

[V2Neal]

Rode tonight. Trail condition is suprisingly good. The usual standing puddles on the beginner trail were all I encountered. The leaves and sand washes make for some interesting corners though.

Saw 3 deer. Ride with your head and eyes up for best results.

Tree down on intermediate just after the first XC/walking trail crossing where the bench is. Probably 10-12 inch diameter.

There is a large rock that has dislodged on the climb after the gnome log. It has rolled downhill and stopped against a log. Bummer, but it can be put back into place rather easily.

[gopherhockey]

Looks like some sprinkles coming down. From what I can see it shouldn't affect riding at all today. If that changes we'll post up.

[trompete]

12:00 PM - Dry to Tacky

Drizzle is barely penetrating the trees.

12" tree down on the 1st of 2 climbs before the intermediate trail.
Several ponds forming on the beginner out section.

[MikeyB]

4:00pm Trail was AWESOME! Leaves are starting to fall so watch out around those corners. And yes the annoying puddles are around the beginner loop full of water.

[bigwheel]

Thursday 8pm

Trail is in excellent shape.

The trees are now out of the way, but watch out going into the beginning of Stooge's Run. We were only able to shove the big tree about halfway off of the trail, and it is an area where you are going reasonably fast. We'll need a chainsaw to finish the job.

A couple small puddles remain in the beginner loop (end of the ride). We will need to do some minor repair to fix those spots. For now, just wheelie through the middle of them.

Enjoy.

[gopherhockey]

Sat, 4pm

Removed the downed trees from the end of Joey trail and the start of Stooges.

Trail is in good shape. Starting to look like fall out there.

[luckyratfoot]

Anyone go out today? Is it too wet to ride?

[gopherhockey]

Anyone go out today? Is it too wet to ride?

Trail should be ok to ride today. Only .03" of rain fell and its been windy out there. Enjoy!

[hops]

Monday, 29-Sept @ 5:30pm

The trail is in good shape - tacky and fast.
Leaves are beginning to cover parts of the X and XX trails.

[gopherhockey]

Please note that there has been a trail change.

In the area we call the upper bypass (rocky area just before you ride down to the X entrance) has been re-routed. You will come into it lower, circle back and ride the rocky part backwards, head to your right and climb up to the highest point of leb, then back down meeting the existing trail (kind of an S curve kind of thing).

At the very top there is a big rock you can ride over. This is the highest point of Leb. (maybe we'll hang a bell to ring or something)

The trail is intermediate, but it is not packed in and can be a little tricky as there are a lot of rocks in there.

Enjoy!

[redd0019]

Rode this afternoon, the trail was in great shape. Dry, well packed and fast. Some pine needles and leaves on the trail, but it also allows you to see what's coming up a bit more. The new section, before you get to the X loop is a nice addition, very fun.

[trompete]

Thursday, 11:00

Dry and Fast

[H2O_GOalie]

Just a sick, sick day out there for riding today boys and girls. Dry and fast, corners are holding nicely. You're slipping badly if you don't find a way to get out and enjoy this.

Parking lot was 1/3-1/2 full when I finished up at 12:30. Lots of folks getting it while the getting's good.

[Ish]

10/4 - dry and fast. Get there b/4 the rains come in.

[jenbenmueller]

I assume riding today is completely out of the question with the morning rain... :embarass: Good thing I went for a ride yesterday at Murphy.

[Nate D]

Has anyone checked conditions today? Thinking of an evening ride.

[bigwheel]

Has anyone checked conditions today? Thinking of an evening ride.

Sorry, Nate. Many of the Leb crew were riding out of town over the weekend, and not around to check it out or know how much rain we got.

Dave, Eric or someone nearby: if you happen to get a peek today, we'd all be interested.

[Disaster on Wheels]

I went by hoping to ride and it was pretty soggy, so I cut out on the walking trail. Other riders before me were leaving obvious tire marks too. I can't say what the whole trail is like, but if the beginner loop is wet, I am guessing the rest of the trail is also...

[hops]

Monday, 6-Oct @ 6PM

The intermediate trail was mostly okay but had enough soft spots to keep me off the X and XX.

I would guess that if we get any rain tonight or tomorrow, the trail may need a couple days to dry.

[bigwheel]

Tuesday 10/7. We got a fair amount of rain last night on top of damp/wet conditions. Still misting right now.

So, today is out and Wednesday is highly doubtful for a trail ride.

[bigwheel]

Wed 10/8

Just a reminder that we got a lot of rain over the last few days. Please do not ride Leb today. Tomorrow (thurs) afternoon will probably be the earliest that it will be ridable.

Thanks.

[dave t]

10/6 Dave, Eric or someone nearby: if you happen to get a peek today, we'd all be interested.

Wed 10/8
Just a reminder that we got a lot of rain over the last few days. Please do not ride Leb today. Tomorrow (thurs) afternoon will probably be the earliest that it will be ridable.
Thanks.

2 + inches in my rain gage over this period.

[trompete]

Thursday, 11:30 AM

Trail is tacky except for upper-upper bypass area which is slick with lots of tire tracks on it. I didn't have a chance to check out X or XX because my friend broke his crank, and I got a flat.

[MikeyB]

4pm - Trail was tacky enough that it felt like it was slowing you down. I would question it if was even rideable yesterday. The mud puddle in the beginners loop is getting wide and deep.

[albeck@manna.com]

Anyone know if Leb is dry enough to ride?

[bigwheel]

Anyone know if Leb is dry enough to ride?

Yes. Leb is ridable (mostly tacky, slightly damp). A few puddles in the beginner loop, but otherwise okay.

[albeck@manna.com]

Thank you Bob, I was hoping that would be the case as I only have tonight to ride for the next several days. This forum is a really great resource, thanks for the prompt reply.

[gopherhockey]

Had some pretty good showers last night. Not sure but I would guess the trail would be better later this afternoon.

[gopherhockey]

Rain is coming down with more on the way. Trail will be too wet to ride today and likely tomorrow morning.

Remember that cooler weather typically causes trails to take longer to rebound from rain.

[wwn1962]

Judging from past experience, any Idea if Leb might be dry by 6PM tonight?

[gopherhockey]

Hard to say if Leb will be rideable today. We had quite a bit of slow soaking rain, but its sunny out. The cool weather always makes it take longer to try out than usual.

I would guess by late today one could check it out and see. As always be prepared to cancel your ride if the trail isn't ready.

If all else fails waiting until Wed. is a safe bet.

[hops]

Tuesday @ 4:30

The trail is still wet and showing tire tracks.


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[kona_rider]

Is Leb rideable today - noon? Did that area get any rain last night?

[DSO]

Anyone make it by Leb today? Are the trails good to go?

thx

[bigwheel]

I haven't been out there, but will guess that it is probably okay to ride by now. Of course, please be prepared to cut it short (and post up) if it is still muddy.

[Don Youngdahl]

I rode mid-afternoon today (Wednesday) & it was OK. A few spots to ride with care, but all ridable without damaging the trail.

[Disaster on Wheels]

Trail is in great shape! few of the usual puddles in the beginner loop on the way out, but other than that tachy and fast. Get out and ride!

[MikeyB]

5:00 PM. - Trail was awesome. The beginner loop puddle is starting to widen fairly large and the puddle at the end of the beginners loop people are starting to ride around it through the pines.

[gopherhockey]

8:00pm - trail was getting tacky with dew - something to watch during fall night riding.

I went in with a rogue hoe and tried to drain the worst spots in the beginner loop as well as block off the ride-arounds that were forming. If riders slow down you should be able to ride straight through or just skirt the edge of the mud.

The crew will address these areas once we find some limestone type flat rocks to put in place.

[MikeyB]

4pm - Trail was great. The beginner loop puddles are drying and you can go through them without too much mud.

[tedsti]

Sunday at 1pm - Trail was primo. Some of the turns are a little sketchy with leaves, but the trail is perfect. There is a new log ride in the XX a little past the old T log ride.

[MikeyB]

4pm - Trail was excellent. No issues.

[valeried]

Any news on the trail conditions today?

[tedsti]

We got rain all through the night. The trail takes longer to dry in the colder weather and the leaves help hold the moisture in as well. No rides today, and tomorrow is probably out if the rain keeps up.

[valeried]

We got rain all through the night. The trail takes longer to dry in the colder weather and the leaves help hold the moisture in as well. No rides today, and tomorrow is probably out if the rain keeps up.

Thanks. I figured that but thought I would check. Shortly after I posted this it started to pour.

[bigwheel]

Thursday night 10/23. I didn't get over there for a first-hand look, but assume it is still pretty wet. After a fair amount of rain, it has been overcast and cool. Not good drying conditions. We canceled our group ride this eve.

With the rain coming in again tonight, it looks like Friday is going to be doubtful. Please wait for one of us to post up that it is ridable condition before heading back out on the trail.

Thanks.

[bikejunky]

Can someone let me know if Leb will be ridable tomorrow morning?

[DANW]

How is the trail looking today?

[gopherhockey]

How is the trail looking today?

Best guess is it will be soft but probably not trail damaging if ridden lightly. If someone goes out and gives it a try please post up.

Looks like it should be windy out which will help. Looks like flurries coming tomorrow (Sunday).

[Christian]

Trail is OK.
Lots of people out there.

[hops]

Saturday @ 2:00.

Leb is in great shape and it's a perfect day for riding.

[gopherhockey]

Sunday, 12 noon.

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow....

Snow and rain continue, trail will be wet by now. Lets give it time to dry out.

[dave t]

With all that sweet wind, there has to be some trees down too.

[ibismojo2001]

Anybody been out there today? I bet with the wind and sun today it has dried out but wanted some confirmation. I am going to ride tomorrow morning.

[MikeyB]

3pm - Trail is Tacky/Dry. With the high winds there are much more leaves on the ground compared to a couple days ago. Slow down around corners, I saw quite a few of skid outs.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[Steven W.]

Trail was tacky with a few wet spots. The debris that was on the trail has been removed. Watch for geese on the new trail...I startled a couple who didn't know that it wasn't a hiking trail ;).

Trail should be PERFECT tomorrow.

Amazing scenery out there right now.

[trompete]

11:15 AM. Trail was closed for a deer hunt. If somebody knows the schedule, post up please.

[Ish]

11:15 AM. Trail was closed for a deer hunt. If somebody knows the schedule, post up please.

http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28820&highlight=deer

and

http://www.co.dakota.mn.us/LeisureRecreation/CountyParks/ResourceManagment/DeerManagment.htm

[trompete]

I am aware that the hunts are going on. Time of day is my question. I didn't see it on the sign in the parking lot or on the Dakota county website.

[dave t]

I am aware that the hunts are going on. Time of day is my question. I didn't see it on the sign in the parking lot or on the Dakota county website.
The permit app. says hunting is allowed 1/2 hr before sunrise until 10:00AM but I thought there was some restricted time to allow for the hunters to get out of the woods. I didn't see that on the app. form though.

[Ish]

I am aware that the hunts are going on. Time of day is my question. I didn't see it on the sign in the parking lot or on the Dakota county website.


The notices say "morning". I'd assume noon to be safe. Otherwise, looks like you need to contact Dakota Co. If you do, let us know what they say.

[fasterfoster]

The notices say "morning". I'd assume noon to be safe. Otherwise, looks like you need to contact Dakota Co. If you do, let us know what they say.
Correct. The park reopens for use at 12 noon Monday-Wednesday.

[MikeyB]

4:00 PM - Tacky/Dry, leaves are starting to move to the edge of the trail. Get out and ride!

[hops]

Saturday @ 1:30 PM: Fantastic riding conditions.

The trail is tacky and in great shape. Around 15% of the trail is completely covered by leaves.

I wish I could have stayed out there all day.

[Skazi]

I saw a posting at the Gateway entrance yesterday that indicated their is a population control bow hunt from Oct. 28 to Nov 13 (I think those are the right dates, but not 100% sure). And the park is CLOSED from 5am to 12noon, seemingly daily. I didn't look at the board at the main entrance, so I don't know if it's posted there too.

Just FYI, hope I'm not propagating any untruths.

[gopherhockey]

I'm noticing some wet areas from what appears to be frost coming out of the ground from the recent warm weather.

Please watch for this condition on the trails - riding during the freeze/thaw cycles can be worse than riding after a rain.

More info on the deer hunt here:

http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28820

[gopherhockey]

Notice: someone mentioned that a ramp jump has been placed on the new trail in a bad spot with no alternate route.

That ramp jump was hiding off to the side and is not supposed to be on the trail. If someone sees it out there could you please move it well off to the side in a hidden spot? We will have to lock it off the trail so people don't get creative like that.

Thanks.

[charliebrown]

I will be out there tonight I will move it, if it is still there.

[bigwheel]

Tues Nov 4 8pm. Trail is in excellent shape. A few spots with slippery leaves. We moved the jump ramp farther off of the trail, into the woods.

[gopherhockey]

Its been raining for a few days and Leb is wet. We'll need to give the trail even more drying time when it clears up as the weather looks to be cooler out.

If we are getting into a freeze-thaw cycle please watch for trail closures.

[gopherhockey]

With all the rain and snow and now cold it is most likely the trail is still too wet, and we will not be experienceing some freeze-thaw situations. Please watch for trail closings and stay off if its at all questionable.

We used to close Leb for good around this time of year. Please help us keep it this way by being patient about returning to the trail.

[bigwheel]

11/13 We have had rainy/snowy weather for several days now. With the cold cloudy weather, the trail will take a long time to dry. At this point, our only hope is that the temperature drops and stays below freezing.

So unless we get a bunch of clear sunny days in a row (doubtful), please limit your rides to times when it is well below freezing and the trail/puddles/mud have had enough time to freeze over.

Remember, any ruts that you leave in the trail will likely be there all winter. So, please be courteous and don't ride when it is wet. Wait for it to freeze so that it will be fun and fast for everybody.

Thanks :)

[gopherhockey]

11/14 - Please do not ride Lebanon Hills for a few more days as we try to dry out from the rain and snow over the last few days.

Please remember that it takes longer to dry in the cooler weather, and freeze/thaw conditions where we dip below freezing and then above will create wet conditions even without rain.

Please be patient and help us keep the trails open all year round.

[tedsti]

Temps below freezing and flurries on Saturday will not aid in the drying. I would say the trail will most likely be too wet to ride on Sunday

[John G]

I was hiking at Lebannon at 4pm today when I talked to a biker getting ready to enter the trail. He figured with all the cars in the lot, the trail was ok to ride. I mentioned it was pretty wet, probably closed, and that he should check the MORC site for conditions. I should have mentioned the cars were mostly for the high school cross-country ski team that trains there, but the conversation left me wondering if there is a need for a "too wet to ride" or "Please don't ride when wet" sign at the trail entrance. What's the right way to figure out if the trail is too wet? It seems like the old "trail conditions" on this site were a bit more clear on this issue.... Thanks.

[bigwheel]

(This should be in another thread) John, welcome to MORC and thanks for your membership. It simply isn't feasible for one of the dirt bosses to make a run to Leb every day (or less) just to hang up or take down a "too wet to ride" sign. Plus, we'd rather avoid micro-managing the trail. If it is wet, please switch to urban/pavement. If people can't figure it out and ride when they shouldn't, Dakota County will have no choice but to close it down during these volatile swings. I'd prefer to avoid this situation, but it will take everyone's cooperation.

All that said, I think we *might* have a window of opportunity on Saturday morning 11/15. That is *IFF* predictions are correct. It is supposed to get cold overnight (Friday night), and not go above freezing until Saturday afternoon. So, Saturday morning might be frozen enough to ride.

Again, if the temp is above or near freezing or the trail is wet, pleeeeease stay off of the trail.

Sunday is supposed to be back into the mid-30's. If so, consider the trail to be closed.

[bigwheel]

Saturday 11/15. Trail is closed. We didn't get as cold of weather as was predicted. Already 34 degrees, and supposed to be warm for the rest of the weekend.

It was marginal at 10am, but by 11:30 it was getting greasy with quite a few puddles and wet spots. We stopped to do some trail fairy work, but it was even getting bad for walking.

So, plan on road/urban rides for the rest of the weekend, and think cold thoughts.

Thanks, and sorry.

[bigwheel]

Sunday 11/16

Looks like a pleasant (cold) surprise will open up another window of opportunity this morning. I'll be there around 9:30am to open up the entrance.


If we can believe the forecasts, it is supposed to warm up again this afternoon. Please limit your rides to when it is below freezing.

Thanks, and happy riding.

[bigwheel]

Sunday 11/16 Morning

Trail was pretty good. Most of it was frozen with a light coating of snow.

There are a few small puddles in problem areas on the beginner loop. Hopefully, these will also freeze over, because it is doubtful the ground will warm up enough for us to make any more repairs. For now, the easiest way through the puddles is to pull up on the bars so that your front wheel misses it, and let your back wheel go right through the middle.

Monday and Tuesday are supposed to stay below freezing, so it looks promising for riding. Watch for slippery rocks and bridges.

[Disaster on Wheels]

Leb was in pretty good shape- a few spots which were soft on the top layer, but it felt pretty frozen underneath. The section out in the prarie which is usually wet was pretty torn up though from people riding it when it was wet. All in all though it should be ok.

On another note- Lake Jodi is freezing up nicely and it might be fun to make an ice racing course or something out of this winter...

[iceskier]

Rode at noon today and the trail is hard (frozen). There are a couple softs spots in the beginner loop. Otherwise, great!!! Wintry mix stay away for tomorrow.:banana:

[Snirp]

Based on Gregg's post from Tuesday that the trail is frozen, and with the cold weather this week, is it safe to assume the trail is open and good to go for tonight?

Also, with tomorrow's high predicted at 34 degrees, that wouldn't be enough to soften things up for an afternoon ride would it?

I'm eager to get out there but I don't want to mess up the trail in any way either. Thanks! Shad

[gopherhockey]

Currently the trail is frozen and ok to ride.

If temps rise above freezing please do not ride.

There is some grey area in there but honestly the trail softens up even below freezing with direct sun so its easiest to draw a line somewhere.

If temps get above freezing for an extended timeframe while we're in this freeze/thaw we will get Dakota to close the trails down more permanently. Please remember even if there is no gate closed or tape over the entrance it still doesn't mean the trail is open to ride. As always, don't ride when wet or when we're in a thaw.

If there is tape or the gate is closed you should NEVER ride. At that point it is not up to the individual rider. Closed means closed, period.

[gopherhockey]

Note: Starting this weekend and into next week temps look to be above freezing all week long. We are talking to Dakota about closing the trail/lot until temps go below freezing again, which doesn't look to happen until late next week.

Stay tuned for trail closings. As it is I would not plan on riding Leb this weekend.

Get your riding in today while you can.

[gopherhockey]

In anticipation for a string of warmer weather, Dakota County will be closing the trails and lot Saturday morning and will not re-open until temps get back below freezing consistently.

Most know this is to protect the trails during thawing, which has much more impact on the trails than rain.

Please DO NOT ride Lebanon Hills until further notice. Pass this along to your friends...

[gopherhockey]

Just a reminder that Lebanon Hills is closed until further notice due to freeze/thaw conditions.

The lot is closed. As of tomorrow the trails will be taped off as well, as it seems many are not getting the message and are parking elsewhere.

If we want Leb to continue staying open all year round we will all work together to be sure we stay off the trails when they are closed. If not we will lose our winter riding ability and be forced to close the trail in the off season like many other trails.

[gopherhockey]

Lebanon Hills is now open.

Please remember - its best to stay off the trail if the temps climb above freezing. Even at or below freezing the sun can warm the trail and bring out frost. Frost happens regardless of rain/snow, and the damp parts of the trail are NOT the ones you see from the parking lot.

Its real simple. Watch the temps, don't even attempt to go riding if its forecast above 32 that day. This is even less rocket science than monitoring for rain during summer months.

If people will follow this guideline we can avoid future closings. If people do not we will close again until we are well into winter.

Now, hope for some snow that allows us to start packing the trail in. Get those snowshoes ready...

Ride safe, enjoy....