Trail Conditions in Detail - Lebanon Hills

[Ish]

I caught some nice air off the exit rock jump.


Maybe we should make it an official B line this summer!

[dave t]

I thought it already was.

We really need to enhance more take-off ramps this year. I can think of three good ones.

[Ish]

I thought it already was.

My bad.


We really need to enhance more take-off ramps this year. I can think of three good ones.

YES!!!!

[bigwheel]

Tues 2/19. Excellent! Packed snow with a reasonably wide patch. Ridable with pretty much any kind of tire. This is probably the best it's been all winter.

Get your rides in now, because it won't be long before it gets shut down for spring thaw.

[Bike junky]

Yes!!
That would be awesome if we can add more jumps.:banana:

[gopherhockey]

Yesterday the trail was mashed potatoes. The combination of skinny tires and warming temps started to churn things up a bit where climbs started to get a little tricky.

Today is supposed to be even warmer yet. ALthough we're nearing the end of our winter riding season, its still good to get your ride in early when the temps are lower and you won't mess up the trail as much for others that want to ride.

No studs necessary yet. The fatter the tire the better at current conditions. As things churn up even more those real thin tires are not going to get you very far.

[fatbaldpop1]

[quote=gopherhockey;269968]Yesterday the trail was mashed potatoes. The combination of skinny tires

I love the fact that skinny tires are now 2.1, 2.3, 2.5!:banana: I got a chance to ride Leb yesterday on 2.3" tires and it was hilarious. I never felt like I had control...and as it turned out, I didn't. What a fun trail! One of the reasons winter riding is so great is the trail changes depending on snow or ice or simply snow moisture content. You can't "memorize" a trail in the winter, I don't believe.

Get out there early folks before the melting season shuts it down!!

[bigwheel]

Last night, the trail was in great shape. The weekend ruts got nicely re-packed.

Most of the trail is hard packed and getting fast. Studs will help a little, but they are not necessary. As long as the temps stay reasonably close to or below freezing, it should be in good shape through the weekend.

Get in your rides now, because spring thaw (trail closing) is right around the corner.

[bigwheel]

Rode a lap today at 10:30 and another at Noon. Better grip in the AM, but still good in the afternoon..

Trail is still in good shape. Only two spots where the sun hits directly, causing problems. One is in the new XX section, after the ladder climb, before the berm. The other is shortly after where Dream meets the beginner loop (same as other years). Both sections are not bad, and still ridable.

There is good packed snow, but if you happen to be riding just after a narrow-tire bike, you'll be fighting a rut on the uphills until the next set of fat tires ride through.

Studs will help, but are not necessary.

Weather forecast for Sunday is looking iffy. Your best bet for a ride on Sunday is to go early morning. If it starts raining, it would be best to stay off unitl it gets chance to re-freeze.

[bigwheel]

Looks like the cold weather is going to hold out, giving us one more bonus week of riding. I'm guessing it will be a little icy in spots.

But after this coming weekend, it looks like warm weather will be here. (If you believe the weather babe.) So, after this coming weekend, you probably should plan to switch to pavement for a while.

Once you see the orange fences, please stay off the trail, and help prevent your friendly neighborhood dirt bosses from popping an aorta.

Meanwhile, get your rides in this week while you can.

[bigwheel]

Just got back.

Hard packed and fast. Getting icy. The packed area is nice and wide. Studs are recommended, although you can still get by without them.

Most of the trail was excellent. Some narrow areas in the XX, and a few ruts toward the end of Dream, where it looks like someone got stuck in the warm stuff. Nothing bad.

Go ride it. This might be your last week. If you have studs, you'll be flying.

[bigwheel]

Wed night, Mar 5

The couple inches of new snow made it a little tougher riding. Still in good shape, but not as nice and fast as before. The packed area is getting narrower, and there are a few spots where you drop into a rut and hope for the best.

Studs or very-wide tires have a slight advantage, but it's still decent on knobbies.

It's worth getting over there for the few remaining rides. It's supposed to be 40 degrees on Monday, so this weekend could be your last chance for winter riding at Leb.

[Tower]

Attempted to pug out the ruts last night... Some of em are like takin the tram...

[flutterbyes]

Rode yesterday afternoon and the trail was in great shape (fast too)! Much easier to pedal through than on Wednesday evening.

[jag]

Rode tonight, monday, done by 630.
Trail is still very good, at least for the pug.
The ice spots have grip to them now.
Some good snow ruts, get in and enjoy the ride.
Glad it wasn't closed too early.

[gopherhockey]

Glad it wasn't closed too early.

We'll be monitoring it. If it gets into the mid 30s to upper 40s with no chance of cooling down for a while we'll probably pull the plug. (this week is looking bad) We left it open too long last year and suffered some damage. Can't take that chance this year.

It will help to have people posting up conditions almost daily now...

[Don Youngdahl]

Rode tonight, monday, done by 630.
.......................
Glad it wasn't closed too early.

The obvious implication here is that another popular trail (could it be near downtown Minneapolis?) was closed too early.

Let's think about this a bit. Weather and warming temperatures can be very difficult to predict. Also, most trail stewards & their support crews have regular jobs & family obligations that prevent them from being able to instantly jump out there & close trails when it gets warm, & re-open them when it cools off, etc.

If one thinks about this some more, it's obvious that there must either be some periods when the trails are closed when they are OK to ride, or the trails will be open when they are too soft to ride.

Now, which is best: a) sacrifice some riding because the trails were closed by conservative estimates of weather trends?; or b) maximize the time the trails are open and cause the inevitable damage that results when conditions are too soft?

I'd like to think that most riders would willingly choose option (a) when they understand what the trail stewards are up against. So please give them a break when the trails are closed due to their best judgement and conditions happen to perfect for riding. Knowing the trail stewards and their love of riding as I do, they are probably hurting worst of all when the trails are closed and the riding conditions are good.

[gopherhockey]

After yesterday's warmth and the forecast showing a lot of melting we're going to contact Dakota County and CLOSE the trail.

This is the big old orange fence permanent no question you cannot ride until mid April if all goes well so please stay off and get used to your trainer or junker bike trail closing....

SPREAD THE WORD TO ALL OF YOUR FELLOW LEB RIDING FRIENDS....

Stay tuned here for info on re-opening. Again, we will work with Dakota County to agree on a re-opening date and time - its not up for inspection and testing, even if you are a regular or MORC member. Orange means stay off - we all thank you for your patience this time of year!

I'll re-open this thread when we get closer to re-opening time.

[gopherhockey]

Quick update. There is still plenty of ice and snow at Leb. We are weeks away at best. No news isn't necessarily good news - we WILL open this thread when the trail is ready to ride. Stay tuned, and thanks for staying off wet trails.

[gopherhockey]

A few trails in the area seem to be opening... so I went and double checked Leb and this is what I saw. (and this in one of the typically DRY areas of the trail - didn't even look at the X or beginner which are typically the worst)


TRAIL IS STILL CLOSED!!! (I'd say sometime next week ONLY if we get good drying weather and no rain)


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No trail showing this kind of conditions should be open.... you can tell that while the top seems to be firming up *slightly* that the whole trail is damp from frost still coming out. What we'll eventually see is the top layer starting to dry slightly, which is a sign we're a few days away.

All of this damage will have to be fixed before any new trail or features will go in.

... there was still snow in the woods as I drove over there.

[gopherhockey]

Checked Leb this morning. Its in no better shape than when I posted the pics... in fact the recent rain has things even worse I'm afraid.

We would really like to open things up in the next week but the weather doesn't appear to want to cooperate.

Looks like maybe one rider since I was there last - and they probably didn't have much fun out there by the looks of it.

Sorry.. trail still closed. Opening will depend on the weather.

[gopherhockey]

Ted, Ryan and I hiked most of the trail on Sunday afternoon. A few things:

1. We saw NO poachers out there.. and it was around 66 degrees at the time. Thanks to everyone who stayed off!
2. Most of the damage has been done on north facing areas that get a lot of shade. Some fairly deep ruts, but the areas are small and should be able to be repaired.
3. The frost is for the most part out, but the top of the trail is a bit soft and I think mass riders would still do damage.
4. If we were to avoid rain over the next few days we may open. Lets hope the weather cooperates.

Once we open it would be nice if we could get a bunch of people to do some sane laps without a lot of high speed turns and skids. If we could get a good base of riders packing things down while its still a little soft we would have a good base for this years riding.

Stay tuned possibly Tuesday for more details. We also have to contact Dakota County for approvals etc.

[gopherhockey]

Checked the trail today. It seems any progress we made over the weekend was taken away by the recent rain. There is a good inch of wet soil on top of the trail that needs to dry up a bit more before we can get people rolling through.

If we don't get the rain forecast for this week maybe by the weekend we will open things up.. but keep a watch and don't assume as the weather man is not cooperating with us.

[gopherhockey]

Its been raining, cold and even snowing the last few days. Leb is nowhere near opening... and by the looks of the forecast when it finally warms up it is supposed to rain again.

Please don't get anxious when you see the sun come out. We need sun, wind and warm weather - and a few straight days of it - to dry out.

Looks like we'll be opening sometime in May this year. Sorry folks....

[gopherhockey]

Trail opens today at 6pm: http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?p=281193#post281193

This thread is now open for posting trail conditions.

Please do not clutter the thread with non-condition related discussion. If you wish to discuss something related to Leb, please open another thread. We need to be sure that people looking for trail conditions will find the very latest information at the top of the thread and not have to dig around for it.

If you ride Leb and have an update, please feel free to post up.

As always, don't ride wet trails... we're expecting rain later this week and likely the trail will re-close during any extended rains. Dakota installed new gates and they will be using those this year.

Also remember, the parking lot being open doesn't necessarily mean the trails is open. We have the lot closed as a courtesy when the entire park is in bad shape but even then they dont' want to close the entire park if they can manage specific trail closures within the park.

[bigwheel]

Go Ride NOW (April 30, 4pm)

We just got back from making our passes on the trail.

Everything is now cleared, except for 3 big downed trees. One on the X-out, One just after the big log pile on the exit trail, and one in a fast section on Dream.

John will be out there with a chainsaw this evening. If you come up on him, please stop to see if he needs a hand moving the logs off of the trail. They are big, and it will take more than one person to move them.

Thanks, and enjoy!

Remember, It is supposed to rain Thursday through Saturday. Once the rain shows up, please stay off until it dries out. We'll post up. Thanks.

[gopherhockey]

Sky is wet... air is wet... ground is wet... please stay off until the rain is over and we've had time to dry.

[gopherhockey]

Sun is out today, but we had a lot of rain lately. Leb won't be ready to ride at all Sat. and its doubtful Sunday (since it was quite soft still when the rain came)

BTW: the other day, Bob, Ted, Craig and I were all out removing the trees that had fallen over winter. Thanks guys - trail should be clear now.

[BG128]

Saw Bob & Ted Thursday night before the rain just wanted to say thanks to everyone involved for all the work that goes into getting the trails ready for spring & summer. With out all the work on the trails & off the trails being a advocite with the different municipalities, countys & state the trail system in MN would not be what it is today!

Thanks
Steve

[bovaddict]

prayin for tomorrow!

[gopherhockey]

With the sun and wind we may be able to ride tomorrow late afternoon... it all depends on how much soaked in. Will check the trail tomorrow morning and report back. Its anyones guess, but things aren't going to dry up like they do in the summer when the trail is hardpack.

Today Leb is too wet.

[gopherhockey]

Checked the trail out today. There were very few riders in the lot (THANK YOU to all that stayed off). Things were not as bad as I would have thought, but it was still damp and I could see damage being done by tire tracks. I think if the weather stays sunny and windy we can ride in the afternoon tomorrow (Sunday).

As always, we appreciate everyone who gave up their day of riding to help the trail dry out.

[Ken Earley]

I'm trying to make plans to ride today but don't want to get on the trail too soon. You said wait until afternoon. Is 1:00pm to early?

[gopherhockey]

I'm trying to make plans to ride today but don't want to get on the trail too soon. You said wait until afternoon. Is 1:00pm to early?

I think the trail should be good to go by 1pm. Let us know how things are when you get back as well.

[Ish]

The lot is full and the trail is in great shape! Go ride.:D

[Mike P]

...... the trail is in great shape!

My Lungs, not so much.

Note to self: work on cardio over the winter months dummy!

[Smurf]

I counted 3 real wet spots.....1 in XX (after a log crossing) and 2 on the beginner loop on the way out. The rest of the trail was tacky to dry....

[charliebrown]

There is a large tree down about 300 or so feet back from the armored spot on the Int trail. The trail was in excellent shape.

[gopherhockey]

There is a large tree down about 300 or so feet back from the armored spot on the Int trail. The trail was in excellent shape.

Down over the trail? It would have fallen between when I finished my lap and when you did... odd.

[Paul Swenson]

There is a large tree down about 300 or so feet back from the armored spot on the Int trail. The trail was in excellent shape.

Down over the trail? It would have fallen between when I finished my lap and when you did... odd.

I saw it as well. We rode through there @ 4:30

[BG128]

This is true the guy that was at the fallen tree when I was said that he just finished a lap & it wasen't there then.

[bigwheel]

The tree is down on the Dream. Past the off-camber left, past the hairpin right turn, then 100 yards or so farther, just after the trail crosses the hiking trail is where the tree is down.

There is a good sight line, so there is plenty of time to stop. There are no branches so it's easy to toss your bike over and hop over it.

We'll plan to get it tomorrow evening.

[gopherhockey]

Bob and I removed the tree that was down with small hand saws. (Bob talked me into it). We also removed a lot of face slappers... so things are really nice and clear now.

[multiaxial]

Wow! Trail conditions are fantastic. Thanks Bob, John, Ted and the rest of the Leb trail crew for all of the hard work to maintain the trail.

[smklugherz]

If it is raining at salem and murphy I imagine it is raining at leb? Anyone care to confirm? (here's to wishful thinking)

[bigwheel]

We got rain on the north side of Eagan, about 5 miles north of Leb. Weather map shows that pretty much all of the twin cities got nailed, and there is more on the way.

Click the "animate" button, and you'll see what's going on.
http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/55121?from=36hr_maps&zoom=8&interactiveMapLayer=radar

So, it looks like today is out. We'll have to see what happens after that. Sorry.

[smklugherz]

So, it looks like today is out. We'll have to see what happens after that. Sorry.

Don't be sorry, we all know it is really Belinda Jensen's fault.:incazzato:

[Disaster on Wheels]

The trail was great this morning and I finally a morning I had off when it wasn't raining! Nice and dry, no wet spots and no braking bumps. I almost hit a turkey on the trail too. I forgot how much I love getting out in the spring.

[gopherhockey]

Its raining at Leb. I don't think the rain will cause too much of a delay, but lets wait and see what happens. Things dried up pretty quickly last time. I'd stay off tonight (Tuesday) and early morning Wed but maybe we'll be able to keep Wed. afternoon open. Thanks all....

[Steven W.]

Anyone have a prediction on whether we'll be riding Leb tonight?

[gopherhockey]

Anyone have a prediction on whether we'll be riding Leb tonight?

We had a good morning of sun, I'd think things are good by now.

I know someone headed out there to check things out so we'll hear back for certain in an hour.

[gopherhockey]

Got a report from the trail.. its tacky and in great shape. Get out and ride!

[gopherhockey]

We have a slow rain coming down in the S. metro. Not sure if its too wet right now but it likely will be in a while... I'd think about re-scheduling rides for the rest of the day just to be safe.

[gopherhockey]

Stealing Pete's Murphy comment as Leb had about the exact same: The trail received even more rain since trailwork ended... looks like about .25" of rain so far with more on the way.

Trail will most likely be too wet to ride all day on Sunday... there is a lot of moisture in the soil right now. Judging by the forecast, it should be ready on Monday.

A Reminder About When To Ride, And When Not To...

- Trails should not be used during wet weather, or when the trail is soft or muddy.

- Trails are open if the trail is firm and the surface will not be disturbed by foot or bike travel.

- PLEASE be patient if the trail isn't ready.

- Riding wet trails damages the trail by creating ruts that increase erosion.

- Trails are typically too wet to ride for 18-24 hours after a significant rainfall.

[gopherhockey]

Just checked Leb... still a lot of wet spots, riders are leaving prints. Best to stay off today.

Chased a few out of the lot... mostly teen helmetless types.

[gopherhockey]

Anyway... by now I would guess things are shaping up. Tomorrow (Monday) should be just fine to ride! Oh, and tomorrow morning Erik's Bike Shop will be having their own personal demo ride... just so you are aware of the extra people and bikes that will be there.

We thank Erik's for their continued support of the club and our trails.

[MikeyB]

Trail was great today. 1 small puddle as you exit the trail.

[nigel]

Great conditions today!

The C-Dale boys thank MORC for the trails! One of them told me he renews his membership every time he comes to MN for the SPring Cup race.

[Disaster on Wheels]

Will the trail be dry enough to get a ride in this afternoon?

[Hathor]

Will the trail be dry enough to get a ride in this afternoon?

Going out right now -will report back.

[Hathor]

Trail is perfect. Enjoy!

[MikeyB]

Trail was dry and fast. Parking lot was full when I left around 6:15pm

[bigwheel]

Thursday, May 15. Excellent condition.

We got a few sprinkles overnight, but it should be dry by the time you read this.

[MikeyB]

5/16 Leb was dry and GTG.

[MikeyB]

5/17 Leb was good again today. It could use a little rain as it is starting to get a little too dry.

[Guest1]

5/17 Leb was good again today. It could use a little rain as it is starting to get a little too dry.

Just no pleasing some people.

[Rooster]

was dry when I started my ride. wet/slick before I was done

[werts]

rode it yesterday around 1pm and it was wonderful, i absolutely loved the fast down hill sections. but i felt there could be some more features on the medium trail. i brought a friend with that has never done any riding of this sorts, and while he commented that the rocky sections were tough to get through, he though from a beginners stand point that it could be a little bit tougher.

[samtheman]

Rode lebanon for the first time today. it was perfect. it was crazy that you guys made such an easy but fun trail in such a hilly area! My dads words said it all- "that was sick. And being a 40 year old man, thats the first time ive used that word."

[BanHammer]

Road it 5-19, just as my friends and I got there it started to sprinkle. We got in one full loop and another one on the shorter loop before it really started to rain. Some spots were dry and others tacky. This was my first time here and it was awesome can't wait to see what they do with the trail work day coming up.

[bigwheel]

Road it 5-19, just as my friends and I got there it started to sprinkle. We got in one full loop and another one on the shorter loop before it really started to rain. Some spots were dry and others tacky. This was my first time here and it was awesome can't wait to see what they do with the trail work day coming up.

Thanks, Kenny. It should be excellent conditions right now.

"Trail work day" is every Tuesday at 6pm in the main lot. The only exception is the second Tuesday of the month, when there is a MORC board meeting.

National Trails Day is June 7 (at Leb). We will hopefully get a lot done then.

[trompete]

5/22 @ 11:30 Am

Dry

[Neckroll]

5/22 @ 7:30 am, perfectly tacky. I probably shouldn't give too many people the idea, since I like the solitude, but if you can make it before work in the mornings, overnight dew makes for a great ride almost every time

[gopherhockey]

5/25 - great condition... almost on the dry side already. Need some more rain to keep things in place.

Was out trimming out some of the crazy mustard plants that are taking over the trail. Why? Because it looks bad... and you know us, we're all about the manicured trail :eyeroll: No, seriously because it starts to cut down on the visibility of what is coming up on the trail, and I was noticing a lot more skidding as people came around corners not knowing what was coming next. I hope to get out and do the XX tomorrow. The first part of the trail isn't too bad.

[gopherhockey]

We missed the heavy rains that hit the north metro earlier this evening. As long as it doesn't rain tonight the trail should be good to go tomorrow.

PLEASE check before riding tomorrow to be sure we didn't get rain overnight. As always, stay off wet trails... it doesn't look like much chance it will rain, and if it does its likely going to end by midnight.

[gopherhockey]

Trail is in good shape today.

4 more hours of weed trimming and the X and half the XX are done.

Removed one rotted and useless log pile in the X loop just after the elevated section.

Machine work was done on the new trail. Please consider coming out to help us complete the new lake trail.

[Danimal]

Is it too wet to ride today????

[gopherhockey]

Is it too wet to ride today????

We've only had sprinkles so far, but the forecast isn't looking good and the radar is hinting at more rain here shortly.

If you are riding now its ok. If you are planning to ride this evening please watch the weather. We'll try post up if anything changes.

[gopherhockey]

Sirens and severe weather headed towards Leb. Good idea to cancel any ride plans for tonight...

As always, if we get significant rain allow time for drying... probably into tomorrow afternoon if we get the red stuff headed our way.

[gopherhockey]

(lazy today so I'm stealing Petes awesome post)

Looks like the south metro has received almost an inch of rain so far tonight, and judging by the forecast the trail will likely be too wet to ride until sometime on Saturday.

Here's a reminder about the trail rules at Leb:

When To Ride, And When Not To...

- Trails should not be used during wet weather, or when the trail is soft or muddy.

- Trails are open if the trail is firm and the surface will not be disturbed by foot or bike travel.

- PLEASE be patient if the trail isn't ready.

- Riding wet trails damages the trail by creating ruts that increase erosion.

- Trails are typically too wet to ride for 18-24 hours after a significant rainfall.

Thanks!
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[dave t]

I'll add that we ended up with 3/4" of rain by this morning.

[gopherhockey]

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[gopherhockey]

As posted over in the Murphy conditions, the south metro just got a major dump of rain. Trail was already wet to greasy, which means this sets it back probably another day.

I will be contacting Dakota County to request the trails be closed for tomorrow. Please revise your ride plans.

Hopefully we'll be back in business Sunday, or perhaps really late tomorrow if the sun is out and its really windy.

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[strk9]

think the trail will be rideable around 5pm tonight?

[gopherhockey]

looks like it should b ok from about 5pm on... just some greasy spots.think the trail will be rideable around 5pm tonight?



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[gopherhockey]

Major hail and more rain... when will this all stop.

Thanks to all who are being patient and NOT riding after these storms go through. Again, probably late tomorrow (Sunday) is the best bet to ride Leb again. Rain after rain like this is taking its toll.

[gopherhockey]

trail and lot is closed today - sunday

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[gopherhockey]

The trail and the parking lot were closed today (Sunday). Thanks to Dakota County for helping out by keeping the lot closed.

Just checked things at around 6:30 and its still rather damp out there, lots of wet spots. I would suggest waiting until tomorrow (Monday) afternoon at the earliest.

Start rant:

Of course even with the lot closed and trail closed signs up, there were people going around the gates and riding anyway. How anyone can be that selfish or ignorant is beyond me. Sorry but its not lack of knowledge that has these people simply ignoring the signs and fences.

I spoke to one guy coming out of the trail... "yea, I just rode in a little ways.. they are closed for good reason.. would hate to wreck the trails..." He had just done a full lap, and he rode away too quickly for me to ask why he felt it was his decision to make anyway. (he lives nearby and I have seen him poaching before)

Many of the wet spots that are there right now wouldn't be if people weren't poaching wet trails to begin with...

Anyway, end rant. Thanks to all who actually read trail conditions and then actually follow them.

[luckyratfoot]

I really in some ways wish we all paid 10 bucks or something for a season pass at leb<ST1:p</ST1:p At least one that covered the MTB trail. And in doing so we signed an agreement that stated that if we are caught using the trail without our pass or using the trial when it was marked closed that you could be fined X dollars and/or have your pass revoked. This ikind of thing is done on some of the cross country ski paths in the winter. These people who do this are the same ones in 1st grade who cut in line. Mainly because there's no incentive for them not to do something if there is no "real" punishment. Plus they know you guys will fix the trail damage they do.
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I'm sure those who could do this know why this can't be done or why it shouldn't. Has it been looked at though?
:incazzato:

[gopherhockey]

Trail is greasy in spots... be careful on fast downhills as they sneak up on you right in the corners. X and XX have some wet areas, please ride carefully in these areas if you must do these loops.

Watch for rain this week - any small amounts will close the trail down again.

Oh, and moved the sissy log pile someone placed before the first big rock ride on Dream II.

[gopherhockey]

Trail is seeing some more rain this evening, with the forecast not looking so good.

Please... give the trail some time tomorrow to dry out and watch the weather before riding.

We're fighting a lot of rain lately and sitting on the edge of closing the trail for a while to let things dry out. Its all going to depend on people using common sense and giving it some time.

[Reier8]

With the rain as of late and the current forecast does this put Saturday's Natioal Trails day in jeopardy? :confused:

[gopherhockey]

With the rain as of late and the current forecast does this put Saturday's Natioal Trails day in jeopardy? :confused:

It shouldn't. We're not working on existing trail, so we will be able to be out there even after significant rain.

[gopherhockey]

Trail was still damp last night. Its ridable now, but if the rain continues all bets are off.

Please watch the weather, and get your ride in now if you need one. Even a normally insignificant rainfall will close things down for a while.

[85911]

Trail was still damp last night. Its ridable now, but if the rain continues all bets are off.

Please watch the weather, and get your ride in now if you need one. Even a normally insignificant rainfall will close things down for a while.

This contradicts the update in the trail condition section. Is the trail rideable today at 4:30? It is starting to clear up here in Eden Prairie. :banana: Not trying to stir things up, just want to ride.:cool:

Thanks.

[Ish]

Is the trail rideable today at 4:30? .

Go for it and let us know the conditions.

[bigwheel]

This contradicts the update in the trail condition section.

I update the trail condition page.

Better sneak in a ride while you can. Any new rain will likely make it too wet again.

Also, try out the new reroute at the bottom of the final dream downhill. You should be able to hold a little more speed at the end now. Thanks to everyone that worked on it.

[bigwheel]

Wed 6/4 9pm

Trail was damp, but ridable. Right on the edge of okay/not. Any more rain, and you should stay away.

Some minor damage from damp ground riding over the last few days:
* Several rocks were knocked loose and now on the side of the trail.
* The jump-off log in the fast (early) section of the Joey trail is knocked out and on the side of the trail.
* Berms forming on a bunch of turns, and will begin holding/diverting water.

Nothing major, but we will have to devote a trail work session to repairing this stuff.

[gopherhockey]

Don't forget that this Saturday is National Trails Day at Leb. Between about 8:30 and 1pm the parking lot will need to be used by those volunteering for the event.

If you are planning a ride this weekend, PLEASE schedule it before or after the event so that we can reserve parking for those attending the event.

There are also other areas to park if you must ride... over on the Galaxie side, or over on the street by the tennis courts off Covington. Please use one of the alternate locations if you can't re-schedule your ride.

Thanks so much!!!

[gopherhockey]

Consider riding done for Thursday and Friday. I will be contacting Dakota to close the gates for tomorrow.

[dave t]

In case there is any doubt about conditions, we had 2.5" of rain yesterday / last night.:banghead::banghead:

[gopherhockey]

<p>the leb parking lot and trail is closed until further notice (most likely all weekend).. someone pls update the trail conditions as well, thx</p>

national trails day is still a go, the lot will open for volunteers only.
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[Ish]

someone pls update the trail conditions as well, thx

done...

[gopherhockey]

A reminder that the trails are not open for general use and will be closed ALL WEEKEND.

The lot will open Sat at 8:30am for trails day volunteers only. (we may need some people to volunteer to help monitor who should or should not be entering the lot).

[gopherhockey]

Sunday reminder: Trails and parking lot are still closed. Expect to re-open Monday, pending any additional rain.

We got even more rain last night on top of a trail that was just starting to recover.

This is a Dakota County closing, so you are trespassing if you ride. (among other things) I saw two cars parked outside the (closed) lot on Johnny Cake Ridge Road the other day get ticketed as they were not only parked in a no parking area, they were using a closed trail. I want to get details on what those tickets cost.

(I think the Gnome called the cops on them... )

[soupboy]

Such ingrates deserve a lifetime of flat tires and unidentifiable creaks.

I saw two cars parked outside the (closed) lot on Johnny Cake Ridge Road the other day get ticketed as they were not only parked in a no parking area, they were using a closed trail. I want to get details on what those tickets cost.

(I think the Gnome called the cops on them... )

[gopherhockey]

I went out and hiked Leb today... its very wet. The ground is holding all its moisture and you can see foot or tire tracks.

I wouldn't count on a Monday opening.

Caught 4 kids riding in there.. as soon as they saw me they were like "oh S#)$(*"... hard to be too upset at kids, but they DID know better. They said "ok, we won't do a second lap..."

Sat there for a while and saw a LOT of riders come up, look at the sign, then ride away without even a grumble. At least there are some that can read. I was surprised at how many actually ride into the trail.

Anyway, this is about trail conditions and its WET.

[dave t]

I rode by on galaxie on my way over to the pump track and there is no indication whatsoever on that entrance that the trail is closed.... aside from the wetness. People coming in from there wouldn't know the trail is closed and they are breaking the rules.

I walked in a little ways just to see what it was like and I agree it's slimy on top.

[gopherhockey]

I rode by on galaxie on my way over to the pump track and there is no indication whatsoever on that entrance that the trail is closed.... aside from the wetness. People coming in from there wouldn't know the trail is closed and they are breaking the rules.

I walked in a little ways just to see what it was like and I agree it's slimy on top.

I forgot to do it Sat... but will talk to Dakota about making sure they fence that side when they close the lot.

[dave t]

Such ingrates deserve a lifetime of flat tires and unidentifiable creaks.
That's too good for the ones that ride around the gates but I guess those that see no signs at the other side of the trail get to plead ignorance.

BTW: For some reason I have a strange urge to caress a lamp??

I forgot to do it Sat... but will talk to Dakota about making sure they fence that side when they close the lot.
I was surprised it wasn't at least marked. Guess there was too much going on Saturday.

[gopherhockey]

I am checking to see if Dakota is opening the trail today or not. I will post up.

I realize its sunny and windy today but its not all up to me... so closed until we hear otherwise.

[gopherhockey]

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[jjrsds]

A perfect day for a road ride light breeze and I would suggest heading west on the leg out. The ride back from Prior Lake was quick and fun. :D Keep the trails smooth.

[gopherhockey]

Dakota County is opening Lebanon Hills this morning.

Please use caution.. we have no idea how many trees that may have falled over the trail, and there is a lot of debris due to wind and rain.

Thanks to everyone who stayed off the trails while they were closed. We know it can get frustrating having to wait, and it can seem strange to have a trail closed on a day that is sunny and windy... but at the same time we have to remember that it takes a day like that to dry the trail.

This year looks to be wetter than normal. We will really try our best to keep the trail closings down to a minimum. If everyone were like most of you, we wouldn't have to close them at all.

[gopherhockey]

Report from the trail: I just got a call that there is a big unavoidable tree down on Dream II (first intermediate section of trail) just after the rock ride and just before where the trail splits right to hit the jump or left to go around.

This is a downhill section and I was told the tree sneaks up on you fast if you are not looking.

If you don't know exactly where this is, just ride with caution until we get a chance to clear the trail.

[Hathor]

Also please use caution as the trail pretty much looks like it got hit by a storm. Lots of eye pokers, arm scrapers, spoke catchers, neck hangers, overgrown vegetation. That being said, condition is good, and I love the new little section. Good job Leb Crew!

[gopherhockey]

Uh.... you know the drill by now. Rain last night, more on the way. Give the trail even more time to dry out as this weather is not letting up.

Expect parking lot and/or trail closures... I'll post up if confirmed.. but either way even if there are no gates up its closed when wet.

[destrago]

We'll catch them eventually... then the fun will begin! ;)

Idiots...

Next week at trailwork we'll be working on a new obstacle called 'the gravestone.' Don't ask questions.

-Tony


p.s. I know I've been missing every trailwork but I keep getting work scheduled over tuesday nights. Stupid wage-slaving getting in the way of my trailwork.

[rihaha]

After this rain ends, I think someone needs to hit the trail with clippers and a weed wacker because it was already pretty over grown. Last night there was one branch that seemed like it wanted to clothesline someone not paying attention. There is another tree down in XX on the loop before the teeter that is a ride stopper. No branches on it, but too high for most if all to bunny hop.

[Disaster on Wheels]

There is a low branch on the last down hill right before the new section. It is pretty easy to ride under, but I guess if anyone tall (Bob) is tearing down that hill, they might not see it in time. I guess if anything, use caution.

I agree that some small maintenance might be in order for the next trail work session. the log drop in the x section fell apart and there was a lot of debris in the trail. The rain also really made all the plants go crazy in there.

[gopherhockey]

We will address some of the eye poker and tree issues next time we get a chance.. if we ever get a chance. I haven't done a lap at Leb for over a week now and had a board meeting last night so wasn't able to check things out.

For now... trail closed. I would expect the gate to be up all day tomorrow, even if it turns sunny early on. Again - a DAY to dry out... at least, given recent weather.

[bigwheel]

At National Trails Day, I think that Nita's crew took care of eye pokers on the second half of the trail. If so, we need to focus mainly on the Dream-II, Joey and probably X/XX.

[gopherhockey]

At National Trails Day, I think that Nita's crew took care of eye pokers on the second half of the trail. If so, we need to focus mainly on the Dream-II, Joey and probably X/XX.

I had done trimming of the entire X, Dream and the last half of XX (all by hand) a few weeks ago. It probably needs more work but I'm thinking that area won't probably need much.

I think nita was working up dream II. That means we would need to finish that, do Joey, and the first half of XX.

I'd like to get a ride in to see for myself where the trouble spots are... doesn't look like thats happening soon, but perhaps before next Tuesday.

I may get out this weekend and trail fairy some of this as well... if I could get the majority done we could continue our focus on the new trail.

[dave t]

I agree on the overgrowth. It feels like the woods are closing in out there and I was plowing weeds in many spots.

I was ripping down all the slappers I could grab as I passed them until I took a buckthorn spike in the palm. :shocked: I was a bit gunshy after that.

I also tire-swept a bunch of larger clutter off the trail.

[gopherhockey]

I was ripping down all the slappers I could grab as I passed them until I took a buckthorn spike in the palm. :shocked: I was a bit gunshy after that.

I also tire-swept a bunch of larger clutter off the trail.

Thanks for helping out! I was told many of the main eye slappers could easily be trimmed back by riders.. so if anyone feels the need feel free to help us keep those things cleared.

If you've never seen Dave tire-sweep clutter you are missing out... its pretty cool. Again, if people see stuff on the trail feel free to pick it off... we don't have to wait for a full trail crew to show up to get most of the obvious stuff cleared away.

[wildkona]

If it doesn't rain anymore will Leb be good to go tomorrow?

[gopherhockey]

If it doesn't rain anymore will Leb be good to go tomorrow?

I am going out to check the trail around 1-2 this afternoon. I would bet tomorrow and the weekend will be fine.

Today/tonight is likely out but I want to check just to be sure.

[Ish]

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8d833b3127ccec40c23230ca000000020O08AauW7hy3ctA e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D560/ry%3D300/

[dave t]

1.5" in the bucket this AM

[bigwheel]

I just got an email from John, who is out there right now.

He said that the trail is closed, and included an ugly picture of bike tracks on a freshly rutted trail.

I assume that Dakota County locked the gate as part of closing the trail. But even if the gate is open, please stay off of the trail.





I am going out to check the trail around 1-2 this afternoon. I would bet tomorrow and the weekend will be fine.

Today/tonight is likely out but I want to check just to be sure.

[gopherhockey]

Friday will be real iffy. Please wait until afternoon at least. I want the general trail to at least dry out. THere are many wet spots that likely won't dry out for days still... please ride directly through them. Some are deep, you WILL get muddy at Leb if you ride the next few days.

Trees that were reported earlier have been removed.

I hope to have someone check the trail around noon and report back. Its closed at least until then.

[Rooster]

I'd like to ride around 7ish if the trail is ok to do so. I'll watch for the updates

[gopherhockey]

Leb is open.. but please read a few things:

There are wet spots along the trail. Please - ride directly through these, not around... if you are willing to ride when there are damp areas you need to be willing to get your bike a little dirty. We want to avoid trail creep and even more damage and maintenance.

The later in the day you wait the better... there are still damp areas. I couldn't verify the X/XX so those may be on the edge. If the intermediate loop is iffy then give those areas more time.

I have not verified downed trees or eye pokers, so please ride with caution.

Lastly, when the trail is damp like it is it is vulnerable to skidding and fast cornering etc. Please avoid tearing up the trail as it continues to dry out.

Thanks again, as always, to those who stayed off while it was closed.

[gopherhockey]

Trail is tacky with some damp spots, mostly in the corners. Definitely eye pokers out there, but no trees over the trail that I saw.

Got there a little earlier than the gate opened up and noticed cars parking along Johnny Cake Ridge Road.

This is a NO PARKING road. (look on all the street signs and you will see the no parking logos) We're making mountain bikers look bad when we do that kind of thing. Be patient, get there a little later, or park legally on another street.

I didn't today, but when I see people parking there when the trail is closed I call the PD and the vehicles are ticketed. I wouldn't be surprised if those out there today were ticketed as well.

[Steven W.]

So, did the rain miss Leb?

[gopherhockey]

So, did the rain miss Leb?

3 miles SE of Leb we got 0 rain, so my guess is its a go.

(anyone closer to Leb post up if I'm wrong. If you get out there and it did rain, please let us know)

[jholiday]

I'm about 2 miles west of Leb and we got a little bit of rain around 10 last night, nothing much though.

I'm going to head out there this morning and will post the condition if nobody else has by then.

[tedsti]

Barely a sprinkle north of leb, so it should be a go.

[jholiday]

Just got back, trail is in good shape. A few tacky sections and the rest is dry, no standing water at all.

have a good ride-

[Ymmit]

Chainsaw is needed at the big rock within the first mile. I cleared what I could but couldn't get it all. Chainsaw is also needed shortly after the big berm on the XX. I had to get off and climb over to get passed the downed tree. Lots of knee and face slappers so keep your eyes open. Other than that trail is great.

[fasterfoster]

Chainsaw is needed at the big rock within the first mile. I cleared what I could but couldn't get it all. Chainsaw is also needed shortly after the big berm on the XX. I had to get off and climb over to get passed the downed tree. Lots of knee and face slappers so keep your eyes open. Other than that trail is great.
+1

My son and I just got back. Trail is in great shape. The downed tree in the XX section is immediately before the "scenic lookout" and about .25 miles before Jan's rock.

It's been several weeks since I've ridden there due to the weather. I was amazed at how quickly the brush has overgrown.

Side note: My wife made a great breakfast and my son went for a mountain bike ride with me. What a great start to Father's Day!

[gopherhockey]

Liz and I did some trail fairy work today and trimmed Stooges and the Bypass. (not the upper bypass) Its amazing how much has grown into the trail...

[bigwheel]

Good shape today. Watch for the tree right at the back side of the Dream-II rock, and the other tree just before the scenic overlook on the XX.

Stooges looks nice with the brush down. Thanks, trail fairies.

[dave t]

Good job on the trees and hanging branches Ted.

Bunny corpse - gone. I used a stick - no chance of catching bunny in wheel that way. Eeeewwww.:D

Trail's nice and fast. Trimmed areas are growing nicely. Way to go John and Liz.

[MikeyB]

trail was great this morning...almost steam rolled a turkey.

[hops]

thank you to the remover of the hike-a-tree!

[DJ Nree]

fess up, who killed the bunny?

dirty animal hater.

[gopherhockey]

Just a warning - at some point this morning I will be trimming in the area of the upper bypass on down to the X entrance, as well as the XX going backwards from Jan's rock to the entrance (hopefully).

I will put up signs but thought I'd warn. I don't always hear or even see bikes coming but I always get out of the way when I do.

[BG128]

saw you on the trail thanks.

[Disaster on Wheels]

Thanks for all the trimming- trail looks great and visibility is much improved!

[gopherhockey]

Thanks for all the trimming- trail looks great and visibility is much improved!

You are very welcome. Sorry to everyone that had their ride disrupted by the trimmer and for all the trimmings lying on the trail. That stuff dies off real quick, its not really worth the effort to clear most of it.

So far the bypass climb, the upper bypass down to the X entrance is done, and the xx from Jan's rock back to the first bridge is mostly done. Earlier in the spring I did the X and the second half of the intermediate but those area are growing up again - probably need trimming this fall.

Now its the joey trail, the open field before the beginner loop, and the first 1/3 of XX I think that need the most attention.

[Pandl]

THANKS JOHN!!! :banana::banana::banana::banana:

Trail was awesome today.

[Neckroll]

the website told me that it'd been a while since I posted and it wanted me to contribute, so...

THANKS JOHN!!! (and all the other trail fairies out there who clean up and maintain the great trail system that MORC has worked so hard to give us around here)

[widespot]

Pretty damp with some puddles. Be careful and go lightly.

[bigwheel]

Excellent condition.

[BanHammer]

Great conditions today in the AM, my fun was cut short on my first lap, i tacoed a wheel on the last dh section....

[werts]

had a great time riding tonight trail was good and fast, and the washboards weren't too out of control.

[gopherhockey]

Trail is actually getting dry... rocks are starting to move around and become loose etc.

Looks like we'll get some rain in this next round.

If you are planning a Friday night ride I'd probably reconsider.

[gopherhockey]

Some rain last night and a pretty good shower just went through the area.

I'm not sure of totals but I would think it is pretty wet out there until the sun gets a chance to dry things out. Maybe by late afternoon.

[gopherhockey]

More showers moving through the area. At this point I'd say wait until Sunday to ride, pending more rain...

[gopherhockey]

leb is a muddy mess.. closed for sat.

looks like dakota county closed the lot as well. good for them!

More showers moving through the area. At this point I'd say wait until Sunday to ride, pending more rain...



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[gopherhockey]

Trail was drying up nice this afternoon. Should be good to go tomorrow morning if the rain stays away.

Some moron rode on the new (under construction) trail today and left a pretty nice rut through the whole thing. Perhaps this person wanted us to delay the opening by a few weeks...

The obvious = the new trail (for those who know where it is) is not open for riding. Not only does it do damage to ride on a trail that isn't ready yet, its not safe...

[gopherhockey]

Trail should be good to go today.

Watch for possible trail trimming on the first half of the XX today.

Tomorrow (Monday) watch for trimming happening over on the Galaxie side (Thanks Sam Chagani for volunteering to trim tomorrow!)

Trimming is necessary to keep the eye pokers off riders, but also to keep sight lines open and maintain the flow of the trail. We apologize for the inconvenience but I don't know anyone who'd rather ride in the weeds... Remember that trimmers rarely see or hear you coming, so when you see the caution signs please SLOW DOWN. Thanks!

[gopherhockey]

Trimming has been completed in the first half of the XX.

Again, watch for trimming tomorrow (Monday) morning over on the Galaxie side.

Trail is in decent shape with some wet spots where drainage is bad.

[Hathor]

Saw Sam and his wife (Sam, what's your wife's name again?) trimming on the Galaxie side. Good work - thanks again! It was getting hot out there today.

Actual trail condition report - Trail is sooo dry.

Also, anyone know the girl that went into the trail around 12:30 (I just finished my ride)? Sweetest looking pink bike ever!

[Hackster]

Was it a pink Gary Fischer Full suspension?

[hops]

Sam, thank you for your work on the trail today. I rode past as you were leaving - judging by the time, probably just before Liz - and didn't say a word. I probably looked unfriendly too. My apologies. I appreciate you time and effort. Thanks.

[Hathor]

Was it a pink Gary Fischer Full suspension?

I don't know what it was; I was too far away - that is why I am asking. Don't get me wrong, I love my bike, but the color on this thing was so awesome.

[Hackster]

I don't know what it was; I was too far away - that is why I am asking. Don't get me wrong, I love my bike, but the color on this thing was so awesome.

I know who it was. Her name is Ashley

[Disaster on Wheels]

I don't know what it was; I was too far away - that is why I am asking. Don't get me wrong, I love my bike, but the color on this thing was so awesome.

I know who it was. Her name is Ashley

Yeah- Ashley let me test ride it in the lot. that is the bike I am coveting right now. so beautiful, such a pearly pink... She got a killer deal on it too! I am very jealous

http://www.fisherbikes.com/bike/model/hifi-deluxe-gs

[springbok]

No worries Tom :) I was concerned I wouldn't wave the hedge trimmer on some unsuspecting rider. That would really lead to an unfriendly biker.

I opted for the "Backward Sweeping Method" (this is a name I made up during the trimming exercise) . Walking backwards while sweeping the hedge trimmer on the weeds and brush that's on the single track. Walking backwards, so I could see if there were any bikes coming through.

Good fun and a new found appreciation for what John and the volunteers do for our trails.


Sam, thank you for your work on the trail today. I rode past as you were leaving - judging by the time, probably just before Liz - and didn't say a word. I probably looked unfriendly too. My apologies. I appreciate you time and effort. Thanks.

[bigwheel]

Tues 7/1 5pm. Dry and fast.

Thanks for the trimming, Sam. (and John)
.

[gopherhockey]

The small section out in the open field before the intermediate trail hooks back into the beginner trail has been trimmed.

More "manicuring" to keep the trail flowing... :p

BTW: Trail getting dusty again. Need rain.

[MikeyB]

Trail was good today.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/Boehnlein/giddy.jpg

[gopherhockey]

No news recently means the trail is still open. Things are getting dry and dusty out there, watch it on the corners and also for rocks coming loose.

[bikeoutback]

Another post sums it up:



Now we're getting some rain.. perfect timing to pack down the trail and the berms...

Small storm and downpour rolled through about 15 minutes ago, was quick but rained hard. Trail is probably wet now.

[dave t]

I only ended up w/ .50" but that could be low due to the wind direction and gage location. It didn't last long though as Chris said.

[gopherhockey]

Yup, a blast of rain but the trail was bone dry prior. My guess is most of the trail is ok but the loose stuff probably soaked it up creating some slick corners and probably some wet low spots. I'm sure by this afternoon it will be back to regular.

[bikeoutback]

Yup, a blast of rain but the trail was bone dry prior. My guess is most of the trail is ok but the loose stuff probably soaked it up creating some slick corners and probably some wet low spots. I'm sure by this afternoon it will be back to regular.

I figured trail would be fine since nobody would be riding till it got light out again but thought I'd try and be a good MORCer and update the forum and the conditions page. Conditions page still has my update of wet.... I however can't verify the conditions at the moment so I shouln't change it.

[hops]

The trail is in fine riding condition. It's a little less dusty than before the rain and has only a couple of very small damp spots.

[bigwheel]

Thurs 7/10

It's pouring here in Eagan. Please skip your Thursday night ride plans. Hopefully, it'll be okay by Friday Eve.

(edit) When you finally get out riding, please watch for downed trees. We had a lot of wind, so the trail likely has new junk.

[gopherhockey]

Have contacted Dakota County about possibly closing Leb for all of Friday. Please watch here before heading out so you don't waste that overpriced gas.

[bigwheel]

Have contacted Dakota County about possibly closing Leb for all of Friday. Please watch here before heading out so you don't waste that overpriced gas.

It's raining hard again (4:00 am). Friday is probably out, and Saturday is looking questionable.

[tedsti]

Lot and trail will be closed today. If we don't get more rain this afternoon, we will hopefully open up tomorrow morning.

[85911]

Too wet yet? Any thoughts on when it may be ready?

Thanks for the update Tim.

[Tim Wegner]

We got almost and inch of rain again last night. Trail will still be wet this morning and early afternoon. with the wind and low humidity it may be ready tomorrow.

Please stay off of wet trails. The damage done riding a wet trail will be evident for the entire riding season.

Tim

[tedsti]

The lot and trails are still closed due to the trail being too wet. As Tim said, hopefully with today's wind and low humidity, it will be open tomorrow.

[eagle63]

I walked some of the trails this morning just before noon - primarily the expert loop. Surprisingly, I thought the trails were in good shape - a little soft in a few spots but otherwise pretty good. I would think it would be rideable by late afternoon/evening, but I'm no expert. (nor am I in charge :)) A few trees down though. One right before the camel-hump and a few others in miscellaneous spots.

I also saw a handful of people riding the trail, but fortunately I don't think they were causing much damage given the that the trails weren't very wet.

[jenbenmueller]

Keeping my fingers crossed for a ride tomorrow afternoon. The weather looks promising...

[charliebrown]

I also saw a handful of people riding the trail, but fortunately I don't think they were causing much damage given the that the trails weren't very wet.

It is really sad when people do not understand that if the lot is closed the trails are closed. :banghead:

[tedsti]

The trail will be open Sunday morning. There is still a lot of debris on the trail and some big trees down, so ride with caution. I cleared the intermediate trail except for a couple trees that were too big for my saw. I could have cleared more trees but I had to stop and fix areas that were damaged from people riding while the trail was still wet.

[werts]

just got back and conditions are dry and loose, there are a fair amount of eye pokers and a few big down trees, so keep your head up

[tedsti]

Remaining trees that were too big for my hand saw:

Climb on stooges
Right before camelback
X-out beginning third
Int out right before X-out meets
Int out right after bowl loop
Dream near the top of the last descent

Thanks to those who stopped to help me clear trees out there today.

[gopherhockey]

Remaining trees that were too big for my hand saw:

Climb on stooges
Right before camelback
X-out beginning third
Int out right before X-out meets
Int out right after bowl loop
Dream near the top of the last descent

Thanks to those who stopped to help me clear trees out there today.

The trees listed above have been cleared off the trail.

Thanks everyone for any help you gave to get the trails cleaned up. Ted, thanks for taking out all the other stuff.

Trail appears mostly dry again.

[gopherhockey]

Leb is getting a nice dumping of rain right now. Reconsider your Thursday riding plans.

We're heading into a wet weather pattern, so please stay tuned for conditions and trail possible closures over the next week. The trail can recover from one rain, but when we get hit every day we'll be looking at more and more drying time necessary.

[chewie_52]

It only rained briefly in EP and it is now sunny and dry! Just wondering how much rain Leb got and if it's going to be rideable by 6:00?

[gopherhockey]

It only rained briefly in EP and it is now sunny and dry! Just wondering how much rain Leb got and if it's going to be rideable by 6:00?

We are debating this.... its less of a good thing to have a huge group ride just hours after a rain, but for individuals it might be different.

Tough call to make. I typically take the safe route and just give it time as I don't care to chance it and I also don't like riding damp trails any more than powder dry trails... but...

[ppgc]

Looks like over a quarter inch. http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KMNEAGAN4

[gopherhockey]

Looks like over a quarter inch. http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KMNEAGAN4

I was watching the radar and saw a pretty dark red patch head right over the top of Leb. It probably got more than just north and just south of the general area. If that hadn't happened I might have held off cancelling the group ride.

[gopherhockey]

Ok here is the deal.

Leb got a good shot of rain, but it can be tough to know how quickly it can rebound. There is no real way any of us can check for sure.

Suggestion is to avoid large group riding at the very least. (join us on the OC urban ride!)

If individuals head out, please use good judgement and post up or spread the word if things are good or bad. Perhaps ride as late as you can to give maximum drying time.

If you can at all be patient and ride dirt another day, give it tonight off just to be on the safe side. There is no harm in that.

[dave t]

It's not very good out there yet. Not yet what I would call tacky.
Overall, the trail is rinced clean of loose sand but it all washed to the low and flat spots along with water in the lowest holes.

The worst spots are in the warm-up loop with some long squishy mud patches. The main trail only has a few holes that can't be hopped over but some corners will get bermed if ridden too fast.

I start on the galaxy side so I got to the worst of it 3/4 of the way through my lap. If I had started with the beginner loop, I wouldn't have continued.

[gopherhockey]

It's not very good out there yet. Not yet what I would call tacky.

Thanks Dave for checking and for posting up!

Goes to show us all that we really try do our best to get people back out on the trail as quickly as we think is posisble, but often patience is really the best. A few hours of sun typically will not dry out .25" of rain. I hope others like Dave were light on the trail last night if you rode at all.

Trail will probably be ok by this afternoon barring more rain.

[strk9]

hey how is the drying process going can i ride today (fri the 18) at around 5pm?? or do you think it will still be wet from yesterday??

[gopherhockey]

hey how is the drying process going can i ride today (fri the 18) at around 5pm?? or do you think it will still be wet from yesterday??

Should be ok. Its been sunny and less humid today.

THanks for asking!

[hops]

The trail is in fairly good shape - mostly tacky. There are still 7-10 damp/wet spots and a couple of puddles. Most the bad spots are in corners and kind of sneak up on you. This afternoon is probably not a good time to try to improve your lap time.

[strk9]

The trail is in fairly good shape - mostly tacky. There are still 7-10 damp/wet spots and a couple of puddles. Most the bad spots are in corners and kind of sneak up on you. This afternoon is probably not a good time to try to improve your lap time.

yea... lap time i have been meaning to start one of thoes..

[gopherhockey]

Rain coming down in the SE metro. Not expecting a whole lot in comparison to what they are getting north and south of us, but its probably enough to make tonight a bit messy out there.

Lets watch the weather... tomorrow might be iffy.

[hops]

I'm a few blocks from Leb - the rain didn't last long but it came down quite hard.

[Rooster]

Is the trail ok to ride today?

[gopherhockey]

Is the trail ok to ride today?

I imagine its fine. Get out there and ride... let us know. Thx!

[BG128]

trail is awsome.

[MikeyB]

Trail was excellent today.

Only thing that was a litte creepy was the windowmaker hoovering over the intermediate trail.

[gopherhockey]

windowmaker hoovering

There is a window maker vacuuming the trail?

[ppgc]

I think he meant the trail sucks. ;)

There is a window maker vacuuming the trail?

[MikeyB]

smart asses http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/ephidrena/Smilies/tard.gif . -O..it's hanging over the trail high up. Looks like it was from a few storms ago. If it were to fall there are no other trees to catch it.

[ppgc]

smart asses http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/ephidrena/Smilies/tard.gif . -O..it's hanging over the trail high up. Looks like it was from a few storms ago. If it were to fall there are no other trees to catch it.

If a tree falls and crushes Mikey at Leb and no one is around do they make a sound?

[werts]

If a tree falls and crushes Mikey at Leb and no one is around do they make a sound?

i gotta say no, cause why make a sound, if theres no one to appreciate the sound.

[MikeyB]

Trail was great tonight.

[gopherhockey]

Rain coming through the area right now.

[PJJ]

Rain coming through the area right now.
Was there enough rain to close the trail? Looking to ride at noon.

[tedsti]

There was a good amount of rain and with it being overcast, I would not plan any rides until evening at the earliest.

[Ymmit]

My wife said there was not much rain at our place 2 miles south of Leb and it's been warm and sunny for a couple hours. Think it'll be good to go at 3?

[gopherhockey]

My wife said there was not much rain at our place 2 miles south of Leb and it's been warm and sunny for a couple hours. Think it'll be good to go at 3?

I'd give it until evening if you have to ride at all. We have seen before (just a week or so ago) that just a couple of hours of sun doesn't necessarily dry out a wet trail. (especially when its humid out)

We live just a few miles SE and our driveway still has water on it.

[hops]

I stopped by to see if riding was a possibility and found someone leaving the trial. He said the trial was not muddy at all. He and his tires looked clean so I went in. That was regrettable.

While 85% of the trial is tacky, the 15% that is damp is getting a little damaged - especially on the climbs and in tight turns. There are no ruts but I had to ride very softly and it wasn't very fun.

I would stay off until tomorrow. If you ride hard you will damage the trail.

[Ymmit]

I stopped by to see if riding was a possibility and found someone leaving the trial. He said the trial was not muddy at all. He and his tires looked clean so I went in. That was regrettable.

While 85% of the trial is tacky, the 15% that is damp is getting a little damaged - especially on the climbs and in tight turns. There are no ruts but I had to ride very softly and it wasn't very fun.

I would stay off until tomorrow. If you ride hard you will damage the trail.

I think I talked to the same guy. I agree, the trail is not ready. Especially the X and XX.

I should've read John's response before I went. I guess next time if there's any doubt about the trail condition It's not ready to be ridden.

[gopherhockey]

Don't forget... as tough and frustrating as it might be, you can always stop riding if its not good out there.

Good options would be to safely go backwards out, take the ski trail out, take the Galaxie exit, skip the X/XX (if the intermediate is iffy, those are probably bad). Unfortunately there will always be poachers, but at least we have a good number of riders who respect the trail and each other.

Thanks to all who are helping post and track conditions as well as your respect for the trail. I can't tell you how much its appreciated!!!!

[hops]

Don't forget... as tough and frustrating as it might be, you can always stop riding if its not good out there.


Lesson learned. Conditions today were as bad as I've seen at Leb. I now know how the trail looks when it is too moist.

[At the Gates 2121]

Lesson learned. Conditions today were as bad as I've seen at Leb. I now know how the trail looks when it is too moist.


has anyone been out there yet today?? I want to ride there if it is good enought ot ride

[nigel]

Ready to ride by 5?? It rained a tiny bit in Mpls but pretty much dried up fast. Anyone been by Leb yet?

[gopherhockey]

Ready to ride by 5?? It rained a tiny bit in Mpls but pretty much dried up fast. Anyone been by Leb yet?

People have been riding all day. We got a shot or two, but it was sticking to the trees more and not making it to the ground in most places.

C'mon out...

[gopherhockey]

This Tuesday, July 29th, we will be digging up a section of the exit intermediate trail (Dream Trail) starting around 2pm.

We ask that riders avoid riding Leb between 2pm and 7:30pm to avoid conflicts.

If you do ride, you will likely be asked to stand around for considerable lengths of time to avoid danger when the machine and workers are on the trail. Unfortunately there is no way around this.

A better plan would be to start your ride no earlier than 7pm... if you start around that time you may get a chance to try the new trail. Or better yet, come join the crew as we work to get the new trail opened up! (see trailwork thread here (http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=27684))

[MOAB]

It happened to start raining pretty heavy right in the middle of our ride today. It stayed surprisingly dry/damp in most of the wooded areas. Only a little wet near the parking lot.

[wokerhopper]

Did two laps from 5 to 7 and the trail was perfect, even a little dusty in areas. Nothing was wet and no standing water or wet spots to be seen.:banana:

[MikeyB]

Trail was nice tonight. Lots of water bottles laying on the side of the trail. Tried to pick up as many as I could but there are still some out there.

[gopherhockey]

Another reminder that the machine will be out doing some trail construction at the entrance of the new trail. Because of this, riders will be asked to wait in groups until we have breaks in construction.

This will be happening between 1:30pm and 7:30pm.

If you can at all postpone your riding until around 7pm it would be greatly appreciated.

Otherwise please be ready to stop and wait. We will do our best to keep traffic flowing, but this construction is a requirement of the new trail.

[bigwheel]

7/30 Wed 8pm Trail was very dry, but otherwise good shape. The new section is surprisingly smooth and well-packed for only being open 1 day.

(thurs am) Rain is heading this direction. Some light rain will be welcome, but heavy stuff can be a problem. Please don't ride the trail while it is wet.

[gopherhockey]

Leb got some rain this morning and its still sprinkling on and off.

Considering the new trail is not packed in like the existing trail it would be a good idea to stay off today. The rest of the trail might be ok, but my guess is the new trail is soft enough to get some damage. There is no way to skip the new trail either.

A lot of work went into this new section. Please support the trail volunteers by being patient over the next week or so if it rains even just a little and try give things more time than usual to dry out... even if we get hours of sun and heat.

[hops]

A tale of two trails

The old trail is 95% tacky sweetness. You can ride hard and do no damage. Even the 5% of the trail that is damp is fine, if you are keeping things under control.

The new trail is 50% damp - 50% tacky. I walked about 1/4 of the trail, because tire tracks were evident. The rest of the trail, I rode softly and that seemed to be okay.

IMO, unless you are willing to walk part of the new trail, it would be best to wait to ride until tomorrow afternoon.

Most importantly: until they dry, PLEASE STAY OFF THE BERMS in the new trail! They will get torn apart if you ride them wet.

[gopherhockey]

Received word that the trail is good to go now. Get out and ride!

[hops]

The trail is in great shape - mostly dry and a little tacky.

Nearly all of the "damage" I was worried about yesterday was in the "fines". Oh well, I'm learning.

[werts]

trails were great tonight, the new loop was super fun, although the section it cut out had in my opinion some of the best flow, although the new berms were epic

[fasterfoster]

trails were great tonight, the new loop was super fun, ..., although the new berms were epic
A HUGE THANK YOU to all the volunteers who worked on the new trail section. Trail is already nicely packed and has a great mix of things, boardwalk, logs, bumps, berms, etc.

Very nice work!

[gopherhockey]

I don't know how much rain we got, but it was coming down on and off all evening. Things are looking pretty damp. First guess is Monday might be a good day to give Leb a rest.

[gopherhockey]

A birdie told me Leb got only about 1/4" of rain.. so it should be good to ride tonight. Might help to pack some of the sandy sections of the new trail in.

[hops]

I can confirm that the trail is in great shape. I even felt comfortable putting in a non-trail-damaging 46.5 min lap.

[Disaster on Wheels]

few wet spots but really not bad at all. I think it helped the new section a lot to pack down.

[ibismojo2001]

Trail was in excellent shape this morning BUT beware of sleeping raccoons on the new trail. Little family of them laying next to the trail just before the first bridge. Mom was not happy with me. :crazy2:

[hops]

6-Aug, 5:30pm
It started raining (on and off) about 5 min into my ride and stopped as my ride was ending.

When I started, the trail was dry. By the time I finished, the trail was still mostly dry. There were quite a few small patches of superficial surface moisture but the trail is fine.

Very little rain got through the trees - almost none in the new section (which doesn't feel new anymore).

[gopherhockey]

6-Aug, 5:30pm
It started raining (on and off) about 5 min into my ride and stopped as my ride was ending.

When I started, the trail was dry. By the time I finished, the trail was still mostly dry. There were quite a few small patches of superficial surface moisture but the trail fine.

Very little rain got through the trees - almost none in the new section (which doesn't feel new anymore).

Nice report, thanks for keeping us updated!

If you'd stop riding every single day things probably woudln't get old so fast ;) We appreciate the reports though!! :) Remind me not to let you lead on our group rides tho...

[gopherhockey]

Trail is getting dry.

Trail fairly was out and packed in a few of the rocky areas that are starting to come apart. Again, not trying to make things easier - but if we don't keep them packed in we'll lose them.