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Homegrown
01-20-2009, 09:26 AM
The 2009 Black Hill Fat Tire Festival website is up:
www.bhfattirefestival.com (http://www.bhfattirefestival.com/)
Checkout the 2008 video from the homepage…see if you can find your fellow MORCers.

There is a little bit of tweaking to do on the site, but it should be done in the next week or so.

So who is in for this year?

(May 22-25 Rapid City, SD)

werts
01-20-2009, 02:11 PM
im game.

silence
01-20-2009, 02:19 PM
brother and i are likely in- do we need to reserve camping?

DmacBmac
01-20-2009, 04:44 PM
I plan on heading out again this year!!

mtnbykr
01-20-2009, 07:56 PM
what are the trails like in the hills??

how advanced is their version of advanced?? leb XXX or duluth/piedmont?? compared to fruita--moore fun or lions/troybuilt?? or the lunch loop in grand junction??

inquiring minds need to know...

soupboy
01-20-2009, 08:37 PM
Lots of fall line climbing. Then more fall line climbing. I wouldn't compare it to anything you mentioned Kurt.

That being said, I went to BHFTF #1 and the trails were still pretty nascent. They've put a lot of work into them since and the terrain is there...just a question of what they've done with it.

Whatdoyoumean?
01-21-2009, 11:10 AM
Best riding this side of Fruita.

At least 6 trail networks within 45 minute drive of Rapid City, 2 trail systems in town. From sweet singletrack, to some freeride, to white knuckle monster gap stuff (Storm Mtn).

Put it this way, we had an 8 year run of Fruita/ Moab, last year the streak stopped, but the BH made up for it.

The festival is a good way to figure out the trail systems. The locals are very helpful and are doing alot to add and improve on the great riding they already have.

wildkona
01-21-2009, 11:31 AM
I may be in. Would need to carpool.

DmacBmac
01-21-2009, 04:32 PM
Best riding this side of Fruita.

At least 6 trail networks within 45 minute drive of Rapid City, 2 trail systems in town. From sweet singletrack, to some freeride, to white knuckle monster gap stuff (Storm Mtn).

Put it this way, we had an 8 year run of Fruita/ Moab, last year the streak stopped, but the BH made up for it.

The festival is a good way to figure out the trail systems. The locals are very helpful and are doing alot to add and improve on the great riding they already have.

Excellent description Larry!!:)

slim
01-22-2009, 01:53 PM
Lots of fall line climbing. Then more fall line climbing. I wouldn't compare it to anything you mentioned Kurt.

I have only ridden a few of the trails there but none of them had fall line climbing.
In fact Breezy point has to be one of the best laid out, most flowy trails anywhere, super fun rock-rolling and dirt carving!

Deerfield lake trail mellow contouring single track with only a few short steep climbs, great scenery!http://images.tjaard.multiply.com/image/6/photos/55/600x600/125/87.jpg?et=yThnFRO%2CTnUkDoCFJtLiyw&nmid=9068294
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silence
01-22-2009, 02:36 PM
whats the xc race course like?

Whatdoyoumean?
01-23-2009, 06:37 AM
2 years ago the race was at a place called "the quarry"... Awesome trail, with some great technical and so called free ride natural traps... Probably one of the best all around trails used for a race I've done. Then last year the loggers took over and cleared out about half of the connector trails.

BHFTF moved the race to the "M Hill" trail in town, the team known from South Canada skipped the race and did our own inter team punishment. M Hill is a nice trail with some sweet DH, but it can't be as good as "the quarry"...

Porteay were you dead last or was the Goat dead last?

That Breezy Point trail is awesome... Backside of the Presidents heads...

soupboy
01-23-2009, 07:23 AM
Wow, we saw nothing like that Slim. That looks fantastic. I think we were led astray a few times by locals. IIRC we rode one fun trail called Storm Mountain (???). We also rode M Hill in town but then did a couple rides with some locals that where the fall-line variety - long-granny gear slog climbs followed by 10sec DH sections...repeat ad nauseum.

This has me reconsidering my Nth trip back to the Fruita/GJ/Moab metroplex.


I have only ridden a few of the trails there but none of them had fall line climbing. In fact Breezy point has to be one of the best laid out, most flowy trails anywhere, super fun rock-rolling and dirt carving!

Deerfield lake trail mellow contouring single track with only a few short steep climbs, great scenery!

Mountain Jam
01-23-2009, 10:04 AM
With terrain like that it will be hard to pass up, just hope I can convince some cronies to make the trek with me!

Hint hint cronies... you know who you are

Drew K.
01-23-2009, 10:11 AM
is it me?


With terrain like that it will be hard to pass up, just hope I can convince some cronies to make the trek with me!

Hint hint cronies... you know who you are

TML
01-23-2009, 10:27 AM
Wow, we saw nothing like that Slim. That looks fantastic. I think we were led astray a few times by locals. IIRC we rode one fun trail called Storm Mountain (???). We also rode M Hill in town but then did a couple rides with some locals that where the fall-line variety - long-granny gear slog climbs followed by 10sec DH sections...repeat ad nauseum.

This has me reconsidering my Nth trip back to the Fruita/GJ/Moab metroplex.


We rode Deerfield lake the day before the Dakota Five-O. Excellent trail! Fun singletrack circling a pristine lake that is absolute heaven to jump into after a long hot ride. Watch out for those rock water bars, sleeping in the tall grass on the back side of the trail.

Also, out of Spearfish, The Tinton trail is quite a hoot. Heck, the whole Dakota 50 course is incredible. Awesome singletrack with some great views of spearfish canyon. I'm guessing doing it in parts would be much less agonizing that doing it in one fell swoop during the race. :crazy:

Mountain Jam
01-23-2009, 11:22 AM
is it me?

Yer one of 'em, so put it on the calendar! :etard:

HairyGary
01-23-2009, 02:16 PM
Yeah I may head out as well. Have a buddy that lives 1/2 mile from M-Hill in town plus some extended family there too. I've never ridden there but he claims the riding at Spearfish, in particular, is stellar. He also mentioned the Crow Peak Challenge that his buddy puts on the Sunday of that same weekend in Spearfish. At a minimum I will be heading to that event and may just ride on Saturday.

Dbear
01-23-2009, 03:24 PM
It sure looks like a blast. Just may have to try it out this year. I may have to get on the trainer ASAP tho. Thanks for the heads up.

krazykatie
01-27-2009, 09:59 PM
I'm planning on it as well! Gawd! last year was fun. I'm pretty sure there were more people from the twin cities than any other area, good times. The trails kick a** and they're dumping $$ into them constantly. All the trails were fun but the most exciting was the dh section on m-hill w/alittle rocky double track mixed in...i love the s***!

ActionJackson
01-28-2009, 12:51 PM
Yeah I may head out as well. Have a buddy that lives 1/2 mile from M-Hill in town plus some extended family there too. I've never ridden there but he claims the riding at Spearfish, in particular, is stellar. He also mentioned the Crow Peak Challenge that his buddy puts on the Sunday of that same weekend in Spearfish. At a minimum I will be heading to that event and may just ride on Saturday.
I have only been to Spearfish as part of the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally but is the single track is as good as the Spearfish Canyon Run it should be nothing less than amazing. The scenery in beautiful in that area.

werts
01-28-2009, 08:04 PM
when you guys go out were do you stay luke ratz (9Guy9) and i and maybe some others are going to camp so does anyone want to get some sites together.

silence
01-28-2009, 08:40 PM
Tim- let me know as you figure out that kind of information. I would definitely get a site near ya'll.

What events you going to take part in?

werts
01-28-2009, 08:54 PM
im going to do the super d, xc and hill climb

so as it stands luke and i are going. we will be bringing a tent camper to stay in (makes getting drunk more comfortable) im gonna try to get some other people to come along.

we are planning on driving out Thursday and coming back Monday, but may leave Sunday.

silence
01-28-2009, 10:05 PM
cool- we will just have 2-4 at the most with regular tents unless decide to sleep in truck.

9GUY9
01-28-2009, 10:36 PM
If anyone has camped in the Rapid CIty area it would be cool to hear what they have to say abut the campground or area.

I am pretty pumped for the fest. Rite now I'm just excited to think of summer riding:banana:

DmacBmac
01-29-2009, 06:18 PM
I rocked the HOJO last year, but Reed stayed at the camp grounds...maybe he will chime in.....

mtb_guy
01-30-2009, 08:06 AM
I rocked the HOJO last year, but Reed stayed at the camp grounds...maybe he will chime in.....

Alright, I'm caught up on this thread and noticed that some input on campsites is needed. The campgrounds are all very nice. I stayed at Mystery Mountain Resort, the official campsite of the BHFTF, last year and it was great. They even have a hot tub and other nice amenities. The only issue was that its not in Rapid City, but just outside the city limits. Very nice place, I would recommend it, but if you want to stay close to Rapid, Mystery is not the ideal location. I have also stayed at other campsites and I don't think you can really go wrong with any of them. There should be a couple campgrounds that are in Rapid. I think there is a KOA right off interstate as you roll into town. Here is a website that should help a little.

http://www.visitrapidcity.com/index.php


This festival is a good time and I highly recommend it to anyone who is looking for a good trip/vacation that includes biking, beers, good people and lot of fun. Katie is right though- Minnesota had a large presence last year and I'm expecting it to be the same this year as well.

silence
01-30-2009, 10:30 AM
so-

let's make a consensus about what will work?

Like I said we'll have most likely just my brother and I in my 10 person tent (not an invitation, just giving a feeling for the type of campsite needed...) plus would like to park the Tahoe right there too. I think showers etc. are an obvious need for this as well- roughing it and riding hard is a bad call. I'm assuming all the in-town places have everything I want.

9GUY9
01-30-2009, 12:21 PM
based off what reed said I guess I would stay at the mystery mountain resort. If thats where many of the people in town for the fest stay, it sounds like it would probably be fun.

I just called and spoke with someone there and confirmed that they do have showers. Tent sites are $19 a night and camper sights are $24 a night. Camper sights have water and electric.

Tim and I are planning to have a pop camper or two depending how many people we have.

Heres mystery mountains web site

http://www.blackhillsresorts.com/

looks like nice place.

DmacBmac
01-31-2009, 06:09 AM
Wow, we saw nothing like that Slim. That looks fantastic. I think we were led astray a few times by locals. IIRC we rode one fun trail called Storm Mountain (???). We also rode M Hill in town but then did a couple rides with some locals that where the fall-line variety - long-granny gear slog climbs followed by 10sec DH sections...repeat ad nauseum.

This has me reconsidering my Nth trip back to the Fruita/GJ/Moab metroplex.

If you going soup, text me.

timmy
02-01-2009, 04:13 PM
Does anyone know if "The Hart Ranch" is close to the festivities and trails?

mtb_guy
02-01-2009, 06:14 PM
Does anyone know if "The Hart Ranch" is close to the festivities and trails?

Its fairly close, but you will have to drive a few miles to get into town. Nice place though.


Also, all the privately owned campgrounds will have showers, etc. I agree...nothing worse than not having a nice shower after riding hard all day. Its not quite as bad as not having any beer to drink after a ride, but close. :beerme:

soupboy
02-01-2009, 07:07 PM
If you going soup, text me.

Call me. I heart you.

timmy
02-01-2009, 07:37 PM
Its fairly close, but you will have to drive a few miles to get into town. Nice place though.


Also, all the privately owned campgrounds will have showers, etc. I agree...nothing worse than not having a nice shower after riding hard all day. Its not quite as bad as not having any beer to drink after a ride, but close. :beerme:

Thanks for the info!!

krazykatie
02-01-2009, 08:24 PM
we stayed at
http://www.lakeparkcampground.com

they have camping and cottages. We packed our cottage full and it was fairly cheap for the weekend. Its about 3-4 miles from the event site and right next to the banquet site.

I will stay there again if i go.

ActionJackson
02-02-2009, 11:07 AM
There are a ton of camp sites in the blackhills and surrounding area. if you don;t mind drivinf a few miuntes through some scenic areas you can also get room in Rapid City for fairly cheap as long as its not the first week in August. Try this link as well. Its got quite a few places and yo can take your pick. http://www.blackhillscampgrounds.com/
Keystone and Deadwood are really nice places. Keystone has Mt. Rushmore and some fun little places to eat cheap and drink cheap....if thats your thing. Deadwood has a lot of history and a few casinos...again if thats your thing. You acn eat a pizza or Primerib buffet in either town for like $8-$12...Hill City is the same way and just on ther back side of Mt. Rushmore near the Crazy Horse Monument if you want to get a little sight-seeing in as well. I also recommend Custer State Park for wildlife. beware of the bison but you can actually get out of the car and pet the wild mules...its kind of fun in a weird way

Tman
02-02-2009, 12:39 PM
Lots of campgfrounds in the area. As said MM is a sponsor so we would like you to patronize them. There will be a few new trails added to the fest this year, even M-Hill is getting re-done by local labor and Trail Solutions. The part that is already cut in is PRIMO.

I will try and stop by here a little more often, be good to see yoose all back out here.........BTW, I will be in the cities this weekend ;)

mtnbykr
02-02-2009, 05:36 PM
There will be a few new trails added to the fest this year

clue us in on the type of riding you've got there. can you compare it to other "destination" areas?

werts
02-02-2009, 08:41 PM
so-

let's make a consensus about what will work?

Like I said we'll have most likely just my brother and I in my 10 person tent (not an invitation, just giving a feeling for the type of campsite needed...) plus would like to park the Tahoe right there too. I think showers etc. are an obvious need for this as well- roughing it and riding hard is a bad call. I'm assuming all the in-town places have everything I want.


drew i got your text today about camping reservations. luke and i havent made any yet, we still need to figure out how many are going. however if youve made yours i suppose we could just get site next to yours.

Tman
02-04-2009, 04:49 PM
clue us in on the type of riding you've got there. can you compare it to other "destination" areas?

Think Chequamegon area with less signage, more/steeper elevation and as many rocks as your little heart desires. It could be snowing or it could be 95 degrees, we have had both.

wildkona
02-05-2009, 10:27 AM
If you going soup, text me.
If I go can I ride with you?

The Pirate
02-05-2009, 05:37 PM
Angry Bikers(Harley) at this place






we stayed at
http://www.lakeparkcampground.com (http://www.lakeparkcampground.com/)

they have camping and cottages. We packed our cottage full and it was fairly cheap for the weekend. Its about 3-4 miles from the event site and right next to the banquet site.

I will stay there again if i go.
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Stonehenge
02-11-2009, 10:10 AM
Originally Posted by mtnbykr http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?p=336340#post336340)

clue us in on the type of riding you've got there. can you compare it to other "destination" areas?


Think Chequamegon area with less signage, more/steeper elevation and as many rocks as your little heart desires. It could be snowing or it could be 95 degrees, we have had both.

Kurt - some is more similar to Duluth with a little out West feel...think Spirit and Peidmont.

Trent - What is status of Shanks Quarry.......some spots tough last year with the logging.

Tman
02-19-2009, 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by mtnbykr http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?p=336340#post336340)

clue us in on the type of riding you've got there. can you compare it to other "destination" areas?


Kurt - some is more similar to Duluth with a little out West feel...think Spirit and Peidmont.

Trent - What is status of Shanks Quarry.......some spots tough last year with the logging.

I have not been up that way, the Bone Collector is fine. I will ask around. The new riding SE of the quarry will be a fun alternative for you guys. There have been crews up there working hard building new trail.

soupboy
02-19-2009, 12:23 PM
If I go can I ride with you?

As long as you keep your pants on this time.

Stonehenge
02-19-2009, 12:42 PM
I have not been up that way, the Bone Collector is fine. I will ask around. The new riding SE of the quarry will be a fun alternative for you guys. There have been crews up there working hard building new trail.

You talking Buzzards Roost? The one IMBA did trail school at during 1st BHFTF? That should be fast and fun if not wet.....

Specialeded
02-19-2009, 05:09 PM
Sounds like I'm making the road trip. Should be kick ass!

mtb_guy
02-20-2009, 07:11 AM
Sweet Jake. Carpool? There are several others I am trying to work out plans with as well. This year should be a blast.


Sounds like I'm making the road trip. Should be kick ass!

wildkona
02-20-2009, 10:40 AM
As long as you keep your pants on this time.
They have stayed on for some time now.

Specialeded
02-20-2009, 02:11 PM
Sweet Jake. Carpool? There are several others I am trying to work out plans with as well. This year should be a blast.


Sure thing. I have a couple of people I am trying to get motivated but as usual I'm sure things will come up for them.

Hopefully one of the new bikes are ready to rock and roll by then.

slim
02-20-2009, 08:31 PM
Wow, we saw nothing like that Slim. That looks fantastic. I think we were led astray a few times by locals. IIRC we rode one fun trail called Storm Mountain (???). We also rode M Hill in town but then did a couple rides with some locals that where the fall-line variety - long-granny gear slog climbs followed by 10sec DH sections...repeat ad nauseum.

This has me reconsidering my Nth trip back to the Fruita/GJ/Moab metroplex.

Yeah storm mtn is pretty sweet too.

DmacBmac
02-21-2009, 04:36 AM
Sweet Jake. Carpool? There are several others I am trying to work out plans with as well. This year should be a blast.

WTF? You weren't even sure you were going??? I thought we were car pooling out there??

Fail!!

soupboy
02-22-2009, 06:19 PM
They have stayed on for some time now.

Chaps aren't technically pants. Are you still housebroken?

mtb_guy
02-22-2009, 09:15 PM
WTF? You weren't even sure you were going??? I thought we were car pooling out there??

Fail!!

Whatever. I'm still up for carpooling with ya Don. I just got my vacation figured out this past week and took off that weekend, actually a full week again this year.

recreate2000
02-25-2009, 07:40 PM
Black Hills Fat Tire Update: My name is Jerry. I met some of you the last two years at the Black Hills Fat Tire Festival. I have been the Director of this exciting event for the last 3 years. Just wanted to update you on a couple of things.

We are again continuing our single track rides, Hill Climb race, Cross Country Race, Super D Race as well as our Friday night social (Katie I hope the gift certificate to the liquor store was used well) as well as the Film Festival where people from all over the world will have mountain biking videos screened and judged. We have changed the Mickelson Trail ride from Friday/Saturday to Saturday/Sunday this year to allow more people to be able to come to Rapid and ride this incredible 109 mile trail. New this year is several longer (and harder) single track rides including a 30 mile supported single track ride on the Centennial Trail. We have two new events in 09: Super Sprint Mountain Bike Triathlon for all those of you who want to take in a little different format and just announced a Downtown Criterium with road and mountain bike divisions. These both should be very exciting and ad to the four day weekend.

For those of you who don't want to be strapped with following someone on the trail we will have a scaled down version of a map (guide) booklet of trails you can do on your own. (Over 100 miles of trails included in the map book) Should be a great time hope you all can come and take part. We are trying to get some primitive camping on site but haven't got it secured as of yet. If you need any information please email me @ jwcole@midco.net

Again lots of freebies will be had by all.

Jerry

Specialeded
02-25-2009, 11:42 PM
For people wondering what South Dakota has to offer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufNeoyhRArM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATPd-lWaa0s&feature=channel_page

Don't let the "downhill title" fool you, if you can spin a lap at Leb without bloodshed this will be paradise for you!

CAN'T WAIT!!!

ppgc
02-26-2009, 12:55 AM
too lazy to read through thread, when you all going? have family in the area. details....love pete.

timmy
02-26-2009, 06:19 PM
M-Hill looks Fun! I can't wait til May!!:banghead:

recreate2000
02-26-2009, 07:31 PM
Sorry I had my email wrong in my last post. To many glasses of wine that night. If you need to get a hold of me about the BHFTF you can email either at info@bhfattirefestival.com or jwcole@rap.midco.net I am here to answer any and all of your questions.

Jessica
02-26-2009, 08:04 PM
too lazy to read through thread, when you all going? have family in the area. details....love pete.

Pete- The Black Hills are no where near Bryant. :crazy:

ppgc
02-26-2009, 08:16 PM
Pete- The Black Hills are no where near Bryant. :crazy:

Hah, the other half of her family lives in the Hills. :)

Specialeded
02-27-2009, 02:15 PM
Hah, the other half of her family lives in the Hills. :)


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2343/2412658009_9956951b68.jpg?v=0


Nice to hear she branched off the turnk.

DmacBmac
02-28-2009, 04:52 AM
too lazy to read through thread, when you all going? have family in the area. details....love pete.


Hey Pete! The festival is over Memorial Weekend, in Rapid City. I plan on leaving the 5/21 and returning 5/26. There's ya details homie!!

DmacBmac
02-28-2009, 04:56 AM
I plan on rocking the Howard Johnson again this year. I highly recomend it!! In door pool and two hot tubs....great for the legs after some climbing. Plus, its less than a mile from the event.

Tman
03-03-2009, 03:27 PM
You talking Buzzards Roost? The one IMBA did trail school at during 1st BHFTF? That should be fast and fun if not wet.....

Yes Dave, lots of work has been done up there. I have only seen/ridden part of it due to my schedule.

rderunner
03-06-2009, 09:21 AM
Hope you guys can all come out.

If you want lots of video of the Hills search "randy Ericksen" on youtube lots of riding and running in the Hills. I am

Now Go Riding
Randy

9GUY9
03-11-2009, 03:09 PM
I just reserved a elec/water site at Mystery Mountain for the 21st through the 25th. They said they don't reserve the actual site number, just a spot at the camp ground, so we can pick out the site when we get there. $96 for 4 nights of camping.

mtb_guy
03-11-2009, 03:21 PM
I just reserved a elec/water site at Mystery Mountain for the 21st through the 25th. They said they don't reserve the actual site number, just a spot at the camp ground, so we can pick out the site when we get there. $96 for 4 nights of camping.


I stayed there last year and really enjoyed it (even with the two nights of pouring rain). My only complaint was that its outside of Rapid and you have to drive in to the festival hdqtrs and back each day. Really not that big of a deal. Good place all in all. Enjoy!

9GUY9
03-11-2009, 03:22 PM
also just to let interested people know there is a coupon for $30 off of the registration price if mailed in, on the bhft website. good through the end of april.

9GUY9
03-11-2009, 03:29 PM
I stayed there last year and really enjoyed it (even with the two nights of pouring rain). My only complaint was that its outside of Rapid and you have to drive in to the festival hdqtrs and back each day. Really not that big of a deal. Good place all in all. Enjoy!


really, I was under the impression that the fest kinda centered at MM.

Is there a closer campground the the fest that you would recommend?

soupboy
03-11-2009, 03:31 PM
This is going to be good. Reservations made and the Bang Bus is gassed up and ready to go!

DmacBmac
03-14-2009, 04:17 AM
Were a couple of months out. Who's still in???:)

werts
03-14-2009, 09:04 AM
so were is every one making there camping reservations? it would be sweet to get a whole bunch of sites real close together.

silence
03-14-2009, 09:22 AM
Tim- still haven't figured things out on my end completely.

Expect it to be 1, most likely 2 or 3 of us. I can big my huge tent if things will work for us to carpool.

Everyone else- ya let's camp same area?

9GUY9
03-15-2009, 12:44 AM
Were a couple of months out. Who's still in???:)


:raises hand:

:banana:

Mountain Jam
03-15-2009, 11:30 AM
I'm down, gotta get a few cronies to road trip it down with me still.

mtb_guy
03-16-2009, 07:42 AM
http://www.lakeparkcampground.com/

I believe this campground is closest to the registration site and main meeting location for the festival. I know a few of us are looking to stay here. It would be cool to get a good group of us all in the same campground/location.

coriemtbiker
03-16-2009, 12:42 PM
Hi

I emailed the race director on recommended places to stay. Anne Grabowski & I have a cabin rented at Canyon Lake Resort. Fun & more fun can't wait!

Corie


Motel: http://canyonlakeresorts.com/ Sponsor 2 mile away along bike path

Camp Ground (non sponsor)http://www.lakeparkcampground.com/ Next to
the above Canyon Lake Resort.

Camp Ground: http://www.blackhillsresorts.com/ Sponsor 6 miles away
but very close to one of the premiere riding areas (Storm Mountain)

Camp Ground: http://www.rapidcitykoa.com/ (Non-Sponsor) 3 miles away.

Motel:
http://www.daysinn.com/DaysInn/control/Booking/property_info?propertyId=12215
(Non Sponsor) 1 block away from Festival venue.

krazykatie
03-23-2009, 09:18 PM
fo sho! We'll have to plan a bbq night at our place! can not wait!:jumpy:



http://www.lakeparkcampground.com/

I believe this campground is closest to the registration site and main meeting location for the festival. I know a few of us are looking to stay here. It would be cool to get a good group of us all in the same campground/location.

Tman
03-27-2009, 11:18 AM
The KOA is on the East end of town and NOT condusive to riding to the Pub or Fest HQ. Lake Park is a better location.

recreate2000
03-31-2009, 04:47 AM
The Rushmore Plaza Civic Center and the Black Hills Fat Tire Festival would like to announce that Alternative-rock band The Offspring http://www.offspring.com will perform at 7 p.m. Tuesday, May 26, in the Ice Arena at Rushmore Plaza Civic Center. Tickets for the concert, which includes openers Alkaline Trio and Street Dogs, go on sale at 10 a.m. Friday, April 3 at http://www.gotmine.com/

The BHFTF will be extended one more day through May 26 for guided rides for anyone wishing to stay a day longer and attend the concert.

Anyone who purchases a BHFTF All Festival Pass by May 15, 2009 will be entered to win two tickets to the concert plus four nights lodging at an area hotel. (Saturday, May 23rd through Tuesday, May 26th) Get your All Festival passes before May 15th to be eligible to win.

More information will be forthcoming on the BHFTF website. www.bhfattirefestival.com

Let your roadie friends know there will be a downtown Crit on Sunday, May 24 this year.

jc

OldSkool
04-06-2009, 09:01 PM
Just so happens I'll be taking an extended weekend over Memorial Day. I'd be road tripping by myself...is Fat Tire worth the haul by myself? I figure I can spend 2 full days there.

Specialeded
04-06-2009, 09:33 PM
Just so happens I'll be taking an extended weekend over Memorial Day. I'd be road tripping by myself...is Fat Tire worth the haul by myself? I figure I can spend 2 full days there.

Depends what you are after...

The trails are great, a nice kick off to the season. It should also be a great weekend to party and meet some new people.... I would say yes.

wildkona
04-07-2009, 09:30 AM
Can't wait for this trip!!!

Wolfchimp
04-07-2009, 02:47 PM
I'll see all you jokers out there. Good times to be had!!!

chiquito
04-07-2009, 09:18 PM
I may be able to make it!

coriemtbiker
04-08-2009, 05:57 AM
Yes what fun we're going to have!!

Pandl
04-09-2009, 11:43 AM
Lisa and I are probalby going. Looking for a place to rent a cabin. Seems like most campers are staying at Lake Park Campground. Is this true?

9GUY9
04-09-2009, 05:53 PM
Lisa and I are probalby going. Looking for a place to rent a cabin. Seems like most campers are staying at Lake Park Campground. Is this true?


our group is staying at mystic mountain. They have cabins, but I am not sure of the price.

silence
04-09-2009, 10:14 PM
still can't wait for this- looks like it will be just me and my friend Dan (in case those who may be travelling with us wanted to know)

KenCycle
04-10-2009, 08:17 AM
I'll see all you jokers out there. Good times to be had!!!


Are you or anyone bringing a motorized bicycle, commonly known as a motorcycle or dirt bike???

Lot's of trails...

mtb_guy
04-10-2009, 09:20 AM
Lisa and I are probalby going. Looking for a place to rent a cabin. Seems like most campers are staying at Lake Park Campground. Is this true?


Yes. You should stay at Lake Park Campground Paul. :banana:

Wolfchimp
04-10-2009, 09:31 AM
Ken, I don't own a motocross bike but it would definitely be fun to have one...so no, I will not be bringing one. I am not sure if anyone else is though.


Are you or anyone bringing a motorized bicycle, commonly known as a motorcycle or dirt bike???

Lot's of trails...

Pandl
04-10-2009, 09:47 AM
We booked the last studio cabin at Lake Park Campground. Now to mail in the registration to get the $30 off.

Pandl
04-12-2009, 08:15 AM
We booked the last studio cabin at Lake Park Campground. Now to mail in the registration to get the $30 off.
Update: We switched and rented a 2 bedroom cottage at Lake Park. So, if anyone is looking for a bed,let us know. Studio had a tiny fridge, and we didn't like that idea.

krazykatie
04-12-2009, 10:19 PM
Update: We switched and rented a 2 bedroom cottage at Lake Park. So, if anyone is looking for a bed,let us know. Studio had a tiny fridge, and we didn't like that idea.


SWEET! We'll have to look into getting cabins near each other! Can't wait. Will Lisa be riding?

Our cabin is over flowing w/bikers. I'll see if anyone wants to move over or maybe everyone is cool w/being really cozy.

Wolfchimp
04-13-2009, 09:29 AM
How many do you have in your one cabin Katie?!?! I'm glad we only have 3. :)

Specialeded
04-13-2009, 10:31 AM
SWEET! We'll have to look into getting cabins near each other! Can't wait. Will Lisa be riding?

Our cabin is over flowing w/bikers. I'll see if anyone wants to move over or maybe everyone is cool w/being really cozy.


Do we need to get there early to claim a bed? Leave it to Katie to turn BHFTF into the real world...HAHA ;):D

Troops we are leaving Wednesday I guess. :laugh:

Pandl
04-13-2009, 10:33 AM
SWEET! We'll have to look into getting cabins near each other! Can't wait. Will Lisa be riding?

Our cabin is over flowing w/bikers. I'll see if anyone wants to move over or maybe everyone is cool w/being really cozy.
She is bringing her bike. So, she will ride a little, but not a lot. She wants to do some sight seeing.

Wolfchimp
04-13-2009, 10:38 AM
Good luck to whom ever is staying in the Katie Cabin...sounds like it could be a sardine can! What out for my LCR sistahs...they can be a little ornery if things get too rowdy. HA!

mtb_guy
04-13-2009, 11:19 AM
Good luck to whom ever is staying in the Katie Cabin...sounds like it could be a sardine can! What out for my LCR sistahs...they can be a little ornery if things get too rowdy. HA!


Thanks Porter! We'll need it!:laugh:

Tman
04-14-2009, 03:34 PM
Hills update. Snow is melting, Northern Hills are HAMMERED. Who knows how long it will take for their snow to melt off? Rapid City area should get some rain this week, help melt off on the Northern sides of hills and in the draws. This is the first "normal" winter we have had since 96-97. I am sitting in the office looking at M Hill and all I see is brown, still lots of snow but nothing a handfull of windy 60-70 degree days can't fix. Lots being planned such as a downtown roadie crit, may want to bring the skinny tired steed if your into plum smuggling ;)

We are looking forward to all you vets as well as newbies coming out this spring. Trent

CJMarkham
04-17-2009, 08:26 AM
our group is staying at mystic mountain. They have cabins, but I am not sure of the price.


I will be part of this group and am greatly looking forward to riding in the Black Hills.

Whatdoyoumean?
05-01-2009, 01:50 PM
Watch out for my LCR sistahs...they can be a little ornery if things get too rowdy. HA!

Who says were ornery?

Wait, that's an understatement...

Pack of hyenas is more like it...

T minus 20 days for the ships of fools to set sail. Wonder if we'll actually partake or just do our own thing again this year... The LCR way. Team from south canadia for last and deadlast right Porteay.

Magic you in or what? Play your card.

Wolfchimp
05-01-2009, 02:05 PM
Yep, last and dead last.

Magic
05-01-2009, 04:44 PM
I'll be out there but you'll have to find me! I'm not into the racing gig, just riding some great trails and having some fun.

And the card I'm playing is the Joker because it's WILD!!!!!!!!!!!!



Who says were ornery?

Wait, that's an understatement...

Pack of hyenas is more like it...

T minus 20 days for the ships of fools to set sail. Wonder if we'll actually partake or just do our own thing again this year... The LCR way. Team from south canadia for last and deadlast right Porteay.

Magic you in or what? Play your card.

krazykatie
05-02-2009, 07:47 AM
I'll be out there but you'll have to find me! I'm not into the racing gig, just riding some great trails and having some fun.

And the card I'm playing is the Joker because it's WILD!!!!!!!!!!!!


With Timmy taggin along you won't be too hard to find....he stands out like a sore *****!:p

timmy
05-02-2009, 08:56 AM
With Timmy taggin along you won't be too hard to find....he stands out like a sore *****!:p

The way Troy has been riding lately, he'll be the one taggin along!!:D

Tman
05-03-2009, 07:57 AM
Update, we had our Volunteer BBQ last night. 30 pounds of meat, 65 voluteers to feed and more that could not make the meeting. We are going to to our best to make this years Fest even better! New trails, new events. Joey Klein is cutting new trail on MHill like a madman.

Dont feel like you have to race, heckling someone hacking lung butter is much more fun! There WILL be some new rides again, and some older ones have changed. Had a leader step up for an Advanced/LONG ride out towards the Badlands, neat country.

Any questions please feel free to post them here or pop into our forum at www.bhmba.org

Trent

Magic
05-03-2009, 05:17 PM
You'll eat these words! I will remind you of them on each climb and then we'll see who is tagging along. I'll just feed you to the Goat early and be done with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!




The way Troy has been riding lately, he'll be the one taggin along!!:D

redd0019
05-03-2009, 09:54 PM
We are heading out for the fest and I am wondering to buy the pass or not to buy the pass? We will have a cabin, so we can cook our own food. Any thoughts or past experience would be appreciated. Thanks!

Whatdoyoumean?
05-12-2009, 02:48 PM
Trent and or BHMBA, any new recommended trails to the arsenal for this year?

Team from south canada to set sail in t minus "8" days.

Looking for the path of most resistance.

Tman
05-12-2009, 03:18 PM
Trent and or BHMBA, any new recommended trails to the arsenal for this year?

Team from south canada to set sail in t minus "8" days.

Looking for the path of most resistance.

I do not have my ride list open right now but there are lots of rides that will be different, heck the in-town stuff will blow you away. There is a big advanced ride out towards the Badlands. The Hwy 44 area will all be fresh and new to almost all of you.

Just went and looked in my email. Tinton option, a couple ladies rides, "good" Victoria rides are a few more.

krazykatie
05-12-2009, 08:08 PM
We are heading out for the fest and I am wondering to buy the pass or not to buy the pass? We will have a cabin, so we can cook our own food. Any thoughts or past experience would be appreciated. Thanks!


I would recommend getting a pass to support the event. Alot is included, tshirt, daily guided tours, social event w/food, bbq, film festival w/food.... The guided tours are totally worth it. You will get the most out of your riding, keep the flow of the trails and won't miss the good stuff.

Tman
05-12-2009, 10:29 PM
We are heading out for the fest and I am wondering to buy the pass or not to buy the pass? We will have a cabin, so we can cook our own food. Any thoughts or past experience would be appreciated. Thanks!

Yes, you need a pass. There is no poaching, we guide folks that pay.

And teh film fest this year is over the top! Klunkerz.........and several more films. trust us, dont try this at home, we are pros! ;)

mtnbykr
05-13-2009, 05:05 AM
Yes, you need a pass. There is no poaching, we guide folks that pay.



on the website it's posted that the singletrack tours are free--

"Festival Pass
All-Festival Passes will be available again this year for $95.00. ($120.00 after May 15th.) They will include all social activities, races (except for expert racers and triathlon participants who will pay $35.00 more), Film Festival, vendor area and demos. Single track tours are free. Individuals must sign up for tours and fill out waivers."


explain please..

Whatdoyoumean?
05-13-2009, 07:38 AM
Trent & BHMBA... One more question...

What trail is worthy to link up as a back to back with Breezy Point?

Breezy in the rain last year was epic.

Right Jimmmmay.

Tman
05-13-2009, 07:48 AM
Trent & BHMBA... One more question...

What trail is worthy to link up as a back to back with Breezy Point?

Breezy in the rain last year was epic.

Right Jimmmmay.

really is not much. You can hook into the Centennial but that part of the trail is pretty lame.

Whatdoyoumean?
05-13-2009, 08:02 AM
One of my guys is talking Centennial or going over to Deerfield Lake... Deerfield Lake have technical resistance? That's what we seek.




really is not much. You can hook into the Centennial but that part of the trail is pretty lame.

krazykatie
05-13-2009, 09:17 AM
that does sound misleading but last year they charged like 55 bucks for the guided tours and this year they are included w/the fest pass. This is my understanding but don't quote me....





on the website it's posted that the singletrack tours are free--

"Festival Pass
All-Festival Passes will be available again this year for $95.00. ($120.00 after May 15th.) They will include all social activities, races (except for expert racers and triathlon participants who will pay $35.00 more), Film Festival, vendor area and demos. Single track tours are free. Individuals must sign up for tours and fill out waivers."


explain please..

Tman
05-13-2009, 08:17 PM
We are heading out for the fest and I am wondering to buy the pass or not to buy the pass? We will have a cabin, so we can cook our own food. Any thoughts or past experience would be appreciated. Thanks!


on the website it's posted that the singletrack tours are free--

"Festival Pass
All-Festival Passes will be available again this year for $95.00. ($120.00 after May 15th.) They will include all social activities, races (except for expert racers and triathlon participants who will pay $35.00 more), Film Festival, vendor area and demos. Single track tours are free. Individuals must sign up for tours and fill out waivers."


explain please..


One of my guys is talking Centennial or going over to Deerfield Lake... Deerfield Lake have technical resistance? That's what we seek.

OK, Clarification. News to me as well, guided tours are open to all this year, free. But, you do not get into any drawings, the social, the film fest(amazing stuff this year) l or the BBQs. I know the BBQ will be killer since I am the chef:D If you have been here the last two years, be prepared, EVERYTHING is different except for hospitality!

Lots of cool stuff going down this year, I bet you dig it!;)

If you folks dont know me yet, intro yourselves over the weekend. I grew up out here but lived in the cities in the 90s and consider that my second home so I relate to you idiots!:p ya, , you betcha.

Katie, awaiting a call to answer those Q's

Tman
05-13-2009, 08:19 PM
Tower, Deerfield is a fast loop. But cool, I ran the race out there for 2 years, there is a loop to the south that rocks but is wide open with killer 2 track descents.

krazykatie
05-13-2009, 09:51 PM
Katie, awaiting a call to answer those Q's


SORRY, i meant to call when i was on the run this afternoon/evening but i forgot your # at home. I will save it to my cell now and call you tomorrow!! :D

mtb_guy
05-14-2009, 07:53 AM
OK, Clarification. News to me as well, guided tours are open to all this year, free.


I believe the festival organizers, guides and local riders just want to get people out riding the exciting and challenging trails the Black Hills area has to offer, but I recommend paying the festival pass to help support this awesome event and keep it going for many years to come. Being from SD myself, I would hate to see this event lose steam over the years because riders decided to ride for free and not pay a very reasonable festival pass fee that includes tons of fun post ride events and shenanigans.

:)

DeFriend
05-15-2009, 11:10 AM
I am new to the forum, but not new to some of the long time members.
A couple of kids and a return to the U have kept me from joining until now.
Graduation and the option of going on a bike vacation without family has me scrambling to find people that want to carpool to the Hills for the Fat Tire Fest. Contact me if you are semi-sane, social, are fine with car-camping and want to share trip expenses. You must have the desire to ride mostly black-diamond level trails (uphill as well as downhill). I have a reliable car with roof-rack, rocket box, and room for two passengers.

soupboy
05-15-2009, 12:10 PM
Is it $95 or $65 (http://www.active.com/search/org_browse.cfm?org=rapidcity&act=1)? The .pdf says $95 but the other site says $65.

Nutmeg
05-15-2009, 12:31 PM
Is it $95 or $65 (http://www.active.com/search/org_browse.cfm?org=rapidcity&act=1)? The .pdf says $95 but the other site says $65.

It was $65 if you sent your reg in before May 1st with the coupon that they had on the site.

$95 till today - then someone said it goes up to $120 after today.

Or maybe it is still $65 and you get a deal!

soupboy
05-15-2009, 12:36 PM
It was $65 if you sent your reg in before May 1st with the coupon that they had on the site. $95 till today - then someone said it goes up to $120 after today. Or maybe it is still $65 and you get a deal!

Thanks for the clarification MF!

FYI - I just signed up for $65 plus $4.72 processing fee via the active.com website (http://www.active.com/register/index.cfm?EVENT_ID=1703590&CHECKSSO=0&ticket=ST-28647-UfesqsdoWb9bX1JRJSpfGhYjFfEsVPNZHCY-sso2).

Wolfchimp
05-15-2009, 01:08 PM
Well, I'll be waiting until the last moment I guess...if I register. I plan to do a lot of riding...we'll see about all the social stuff.

recreate2000
05-15-2009, 07:32 PM
To all MORC forum members. We had such an incredible response to our reduced rate for the all festival pass, triathlon and criterium we are keeping the reduced rate through the festival. $65.00 for an all festival pass, $35.00 for the triathlon and $25 & $15.00 for the Criterium. The social events are going to be rocking this year. The VIP Social at the Chop House is getting close to being sold out due to the numbers of All Festival Passes, and the Film Festival is going to be a great event, along with the amateur films (which are the best ever) we are showing Klunkerz and Freedom Riders the Movie. Along with Freedom Riders, Pete Maniaci will be here to ride and talk about there experience working for legit trails in the Jackson Hole area of Wy. You don't want to miss that on. So load your bikes, (both MT and Road) and come on over. We are going to show you a good time!!

recreate2000
05-16-2009, 07:16 PM
Because of the overwhelming success of the coupon the organizers have agreed to keep the rate for the all festival pass at $65.00. We appreciate everyone from MROC that is coming and hope you can bring some others at this rate. We have lots of good events and well as riding planned. We will be doing the Centennial EPIC 30 mile van supported ride on Saturday if anyone is up for that. Leaves at 7:00 a.m. Breakfast and lunch included. Free with an all festival pass. $25.00 without. Don't forget the Film Festival on Sunday night. We have a great lineup of local films as well as we are showing Klunkzers and Freedom Riders. Don't forget all the swag we are giving away.

See you on the weekend.

jc

Tman
05-16-2009, 08:47 PM
News from the big guy........Festival Passes will STAY AT $65!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats right, no price hike for late buyers. Movie fest, BBQ, Social, etc............good buy for several days of fun.

krazykatie
05-16-2009, 08:49 PM
News from the big guy........Festival Passes will STAY AT $65!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats right, no price hike for late buyers. Movie fest, BBQ, Social, etc............good buy for several days of fun.


dude! are you still awake? can i call you?

DmacBmac
05-17-2009, 07:29 AM
OK, Clarification. News to me as well, guided tours are open to all this year, free. But, you do not get into any drawings, the social, the film fest(amazing stuff this year) l or the BBQs. I know the BBQ will be killer since I am the chef:D If you have been here the last two years, be prepared, EVERYTHING is different except for hospitality!

Lots of cool stuff going down this year, I bet you dig it!;)

If you folks dont know me yet, intro yourselves over the weekend. I grew up out here but lived in the cities in the 90s and consider that my second home so I relate to you idiots!:p ya, , you betcha.

Katie, awaiting a call to answer those Q's

We love you Tman! You still rocking that Surly Instigator??

Tman
05-18-2009, 08:52 AM
We love you Tman! You still rocking that Surly Instigator??

Instigator will be for sale at the swap, I am going retro and building up my 93 Slingshot. It was my main steed for several seasons when I lived in the Cities and moved back here. Might even geek out with full 90s kit, Etto helmet and all:crazy:

Guy Incognito
05-18-2009, 08:50 PM
$65 can you get that at the tent or only online???

Specialeded
05-19-2009, 12:46 PM
$65 can you get that at the tent or only online???


I think any time.

Whatdoyoumean?
05-19-2009, 03:21 PM
Hey Trent & BHMBA...

Can't believe my eyes, weather dot com looking similar forecast to last year...

Lie to us and tell us there will be no repeat of precip like last year...

If rain, I know which trail will take it like a soldier...

Stonehenge
05-19-2009, 05:37 PM
Hey Trent & BHMBA...

Can't believe my eyes, weather dot com looking similar forecast to last year...

Lie to us and tell us there will be no repeat of precip like last year...

If rain, I know which trail will take it like a soldier...

AND which one will make for an angry Goat !

redd0019
05-19-2009, 09:24 PM
$65 can you get that at the tent or only online???

I did it through active.com and got charged $95- each. Hmmmm........

Wolfchimp
05-19-2009, 10:30 PM
Weird, I just registered today around 4pm and was only charged $69 all said and done.

Specialeded
05-20-2009, 05:12 AM
I did it through active.com and got charged $95- each. Hmmmm........


I would call them and get that sorted. Last I heard it was $65.00/each.

Tman
05-20-2009, 07:00 PM
Hey Trent & BHMBA...

Can't believe my eyes, weather dot com looking similar forecast to last year...

Lie to us and tell us there will be no repeat of precip like last year...

If rain, I know which trail will take it like a soldier...

Forcast is good, chance of scattered showers in the PM all weekend. Normal forcast for this time of year. Should be killer, not like last year, more like year one.

Reg is $65.

ppgc
05-20-2009, 08:02 PM
Wish I could go. Have fun everyone! I will be out there in July so I will get some trails in then.

Wolfchimp
05-21-2009, 08:48 AM
Well, I roll out tomorrow morning around 6am. If you are planning to attend, I'll see you out there at the social tomorrow night! Safe travels to all.

Hope the rain misses us out there. The Weather Channel has rain predicted all weekend...30% Friday, 60% Saturday, 30% Sunday and Monday. Not cool!!!

DmacBmac
05-24-2009, 09:19 AM
Just to let those of you in Minnesota know.....we are having more funner then yous!! :D

Live from the HoJo!! Dmac,Soups,Larry, and GOmez!

Jessica
05-24-2009, 09:39 AM
Just to let those of you in Minnesota know.....we are having more funner then yous!! :D



If you were really having that much fun, you wouldn't be posting on the forums trying to convince the rest of us that it is that much fun.

DmacBmac
05-24-2009, 02:18 PM
If you were really having that much fun, you wouldn't be posting on the forums trying to convince the rest of us that it is that much fun.

Whatever friendo!

soupboy
05-24-2009, 04:16 PM
Whatever friendo!


If you were really having that much fun, you wouldn't be posting on the forums trying to convince the rest of us that it is that much fun.

Sez the person not with us! Shenanigans and riding con aplomb.


http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=458096&stc=1&d=1243178357
http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=458022&stc=1&d=1243140401

ryno lite
05-24-2009, 08:13 PM
Just to let those of you in Minnesota know.....we are having more funner then yous!! :D

Live from the HoJo!! Dmac,Soups,Larry, and GOmez!

There's nothing but fun coming out of that crew! Wish I was there!

soupboy
05-25-2009, 06:03 PM
Foetoes

http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=458022&stc=1&d=1243140401

http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=458096&stc=1&d=1243178357

igor
05-25-2009, 06:12 PM
I just get red x's. FAIL.

Wolfchimp
05-26-2009, 07:55 AM
Good times in the Black Hills! New favorite trails...Victoria Lake and Breez Point.

Hot Carl
05-26-2009, 08:45 AM
Great times in the Black Hills. Favorite trail Bone Collector

wildkona
05-26-2009, 09:16 AM
I am in love with M Hill and the dirt jumps!

krazykatie
05-26-2009, 10:32 AM
Gawd this trip was a blast! I originally planned on headin back out to fruita next year but the blackhills suites me just fine! Its hard for me to pick a fav trail... I love the decents on St. Martins, South of heaven and Storm mnt! But Breezy Point was my new fav for this year...fun stuff to play around on and there is something for everyone! :D

Pandl
05-26-2009, 10:48 AM
AWESOME TIME!! couldn't think of a better place to attend my first mtn biking vacation!! Looking forward to next year. Should we order the cottage today?

Ish
05-26-2009, 11:13 AM
Fail, Fail and FAIL!!!

Whare are the pictures?!? At least Soup tried to post pics (but failed).

krazykatie
05-26-2009, 11:26 AM
AWESOME TIME!! couldn't think of a better place to attend my first mtn biking vacation!! Looking forward to next year. Should we order the cottage today?


ha, i was just thinking i should have them reserve them for us every memorial weekend. I really like our spot as well!

Actually, we should reserve the house for next year!

wildkona
05-26-2009, 11:28 AM
I liked the Hojo, we hot tub'd it up!!!

ppgc
05-26-2009, 11:29 AM
Fail, Fail and FAIL!!!

Whare are the pictures?!? At least Soup tried to post pics (but failed).

They are all on Facebook. Get with the times ISH! :D

Hot Carl
05-26-2009, 11:45 AM
2 cabins with the car port between them would be nice so we could hang out even when it rains

Wolfchimp
05-26-2009, 11:52 AM
Fail, Fail and FAIL!!!

Whare are the pictures?!? At least Soup tried to post pics (but failed).

If you would have been there you wouldn't need pictures!!!

Just to me nice, I'll post a few tonight for you Ish.

Nutmeg
05-26-2009, 11:54 AM
ha, i was just thinking i should have them reserve them for us every memorial weekend. I really like our spot as well!

Actually, we should reserve the house for next year!

yep, that's what i was thinkin - get that big ol' house - think it has 3 bathrooms :)!

Wolfchimp
05-26-2009, 12:10 PM
Just to let you know...there is a chance that it may not me on Memorial Day Weekend next year. I was talking with some of the organizers about the festival and they were trying to figure out what would bring in better attendance. Someone mentioned that Memorial Day Weekend is always a very family oriented vacation time so many people opt out of attending the festival. The festival organizers will be sending out a questionaire about what might improve the festival ih the years to come so make sure you take the time to fill it out and send it back. In my opinion, the festival is very young still (3rd year) so many people are still finding out about it. I would say that by year 5, things will be a little different.

fallingup
05-26-2009, 02:06 PM
Good times in the Black Hills! New favorite trails...Victoria Lake and Breez Point.

+1
Yep! Breezy Point and South of Heaven were my favs! Especially on the Giant Anthem XW that I demo'd! Sadly, I found out it does NOT come in an xxs... :cryin:

I would definitely come back to this next year. Lots of cool trails with terrain we just can't get here. Loved all the big rocks and of course the downhills!

Ish
05-26-2009, 02:22 PM
They are all on Facebook. Get with the times ISH! :D


That explains it. I was looking for them on twitter. :)

Tman
05-26-2009, 03:55 PM
Ya'll need nametags next year!

Good to see and drink a few with many of you. I plan on taking the whole weekend off next year to play more like our 1st year. Between the day job and my festival work I think I prob had 70+ hours in last week. Steve and I snuck off for a good ride yesterday, my only one of the weekend :(, we are hitting MHill again today.

Any of you are welcome out here at any time!

DmacBmac
05-26-2009, 03:59 PM
Great trails...crappy festival. Find a tour guide and save the 65 bucks on the festival.

Also rock the HoJo! Much better than those crappy old cabins!:)

DmacBmac
05-26-2009, 06:09 PM
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soupboy
05-26-2009, 06:21 PM
Fail, Fail and FAIL!!! Whare are the pictures?!? At least Soup tried to post pics (but failed).

You can't dole out t3h fails if you weren't there chump! Moth on Moth love.

ppgc
05-26-2009, 07:13 PM
So as someone who is planning on riding some of these trails mid-July do you have a SS gear recommendation? I roll a 32/34x18/19 at Murphy and Leb most of the time and that is a pretty comfortable pace. This is for grown up wheels by the way. 29" baby. :)

9GUY9
05-26-2009, 07:41 PM
I had a great time out there. They have some excellent trails in the area. The three of us who went all agreed that the festival left a little to be desired, it kinda came across as more for the locals, than the out of town people.

We ran into a couple other groups of MN folk, although I never did ask if any of them were MORC people.

Of the trails we rode I would have to say my favorite was the buzzards loop trails, mainly for the kick butt ride along the edge of the cliff with the awesome views.:cool:

Tman
05-26-2009, 10:36 PM
Great trails...crappy festival. Find a tour guide and save the 65 bucks on the festival.

Also rock the HoJo! Much better than those crappy old cabins!:)

As the ride leader volunteer coordinator I would like a litlle clarification on your statements. Crappy Festival? Please explain. We are all volunteering and want to make your stay here as good as we can. We are here for YOU, we need input. This is the 3rd year and we are always talking and tweaking how we do things among us locals. In fact, we were talking Friday moring about what we want to/need to do next year. Please give us real input not "crappy" as a descriptor.


The $65? All rides were free. That got you into all the other activities, social, BBQ, Shirt etc.......

Guides. For all 3 years we have had self guided as well as guided rides. Myself and others work hard to provide our guests with the best experience they can have. This year we ran things loose as far as where our groups went. We did this since many of our guests had been here before and had special requests. If everyone that showed up at 9AM on Sat had ridden Victoria, the GROUP decided where they would go.

Yes, we did do a defacto "private guide" for a group of you. This came about due to the size of the group and their request to stick together AND use a tour guide. It worked but was a stroke of luck, how many of us locals have 4 days off with no family commitment over the Holiday? For those that rode with Steve, glad you had fun. We are looking at more options like this and it is evolving. Please, give us more feedback. Hell, PM me here. I will give you my number and we can chat. WE WANT you folks to dig it!

As for Howard Johnsons.....i wouldnt park a stolen car there. One for the fact that that big (50 ft) limestone wall already collapsed once and two because that is a ****ty area. Us locals can give you 40 other hotels that are safer places to stay. Our parks director Jerry Cole will not like that but the truth hurts.


I had a great time out there. They have some excellent trails in the area. The three of us who went all agreed that the festival left a little to be desired, it kinda came across as more for the locals, than the out of town people.

We ran into a couple other groups of MN folk, although I never did ask if any of them were MORC people.

Of the trails we rode I would have to say my favorite was the buzzards loop trails, mainly for the kick butt ride along the edge of the cliff with the awesome views.:cool:

Again, no offense, but you say the Fest left a little to be desired. Please elaborate on this, here or in PM. The events I have been to have had races, check, self guided rides, check, guided rides, not so much, Geo Caching/orinteering event.....only the Chequamegon Festival other than us. We DO want to make you folks happy. Please let us know your thoughts.

Great to see many of you as I said before, forgive me if the online nick and you are lost on me, hard to keep track of all of us idiots online and in person. Trent

Specialeded
05-26-2009, 10:48 PM
I had a great time out there. They have some excellent trails in the area. The three of us who went all agreed that the festival left a little to be desired, it kinda came across as more for the locals, than the out of town people.

We ran into a couple other groups of MN folk, although I never did ask if any of them were MORC people.

Of the trails we rode I would have to say my favorite was the buzzards loop trails, mainly for the kick butt ride along the edge of the cliff with the awesome views.:cool:

I didn't think I would like the festival aspect but meeting the locals was one of the best parts of the trip. Film Festival was good, Pub Crawl got better when MN showed up to set the bar ;), and I have a feeling the festival will get better as time goes on.

Props to the "Tim's" at Acme bikes...T-man for the endless stories and Steve for showing our group some kick ass trails!

9GUY9
05-26-2009, 11:17 PM
Again, no offense, but you say the Fest left a little to be desired. Please elaborate on this, here or in PM. The events I have been to have had races, check, self guided rides, check, guided rides, not so much, Geo Caching/orinteering event.....only the Chequamegon Festival other than us. We DO want to make you folks happy. Please let us know your thoughts.

Great to see many of you as I said before, forgive me if the online nick and you are lost on me, hard to keep track of all of us idiots online and in person. Trent


I in no way was trying to imply that all the volunteers did not work hard to put on the event.

First and foremost, I and the group I was with had a great time. There is a pretty good chance we will be back next year.

Here is a little constructive criticism.

A map (paper or on the website) of the city and where the different events were held would have been very helpful. We found out where to registration was by running into another group who was in town for the event, and told us where to find the park. Finding the Chop house should have been easy, but it took us a good hour to figure it out. It was not in the phone book under restaurants, we stopped at 2 different gas stations to ask and got blank stares, we only found it because a guy at the second gas station over heard us ask and went out to his car to get his buddy who's family used to own the place.

Perhaps have the volunteers/locals wear a shirt or jersey indicating they are a local, so that when the out of town people have a question or are trying to follow the guide on a ride they know who is who.

A little more info on camp grounds and lodging would have been very help full before hand. We ended up staying at a nice camp ground, but it was a wood distance out of town and not near any of the events, which put the pub crawl and bars out of the question.

This just may apply to our lazy group, move the times of the events back in the day. We all said that when we are on a vacation we aren't very motivated to be up and ready to go by 7 in the morning, espically when camping which takes a little more time to get going. We enjoyed the social and BBQ, but would have rather ridden till we ranout of sunlight and then did the other activities.

As I said before it was great time, and we all enjoyed the riding and the event. I also realize that this was only the 3rd time it has happened. I'm sure it is evolving each year. Thanks for all the hard work.;)

Tman
05-27-2009, 12:13 AM
I in no way was trying to imply that all the volunteers did not work hard to put on the event.

First and foremost, I and the group I was with had a great time. There is a pretty good chance we will be back next year.

Here is a little constructive criticism.

A map (paper or on the website) of the city and where the different events were held would have been very helpful. We found out where to registration was by running into another group who was in town for the event, and told us where to find the park. Finding the Chop house should have been easy, but it took us a good hour to figure it out. It was not in the phone book under restaurants, we stopped at 2 different gas stations to ask and got blank stares, we only found it because a guy at the second gas station over heard us ask and went out to his car to get his buddy who's family used to own the place.

Perhaps have the volunteers/locals wear a shirt or jersey indicating they are a local, so that when the out of town people have a question or are trying to follow the guide on a ride they know who is who.

A little more info on camp grounds and lodging would have been very help full before hand. We ended up staying at a nice camp ground, but it was a wood distance out of town and not near any of the events, which put the pub crawl and bars out of the question.

This just may apply to our lazy group, move the times of the events back in the day. We all said that when we are on a vacation we aren't very motivated to be up and ready to go by 7 in the morning, espically when camping which takes a little more time to get going. We enjoyed the social and BBQ, but would have rather ridden till we ranout of sunlight and then did the other activities.

As I said before it was great time, and we all enjoyed the riding and the event. I also realize that this was only the 3rd time it has happened. I'm sure it is evolving each year. Thanks for all the hard work.;)

Yes, I agree with you on all of those issues! Your feedback is great. We have had shirts for ride leaders in thae last two years....this years we had 100 volunteers, we need another way of defining locals/leaders, those shirts can kill a major part of the budget, I propose William Wallace style......all us locals go naked with blue warpaint, saves on laundry anyway! FREEDOM!

Your comment on riding til the sun dies makes sense. We did that tonight. Thanks.

In the end, ther are many folks involved. Jerry Cole is the hero, he is our Parks ad Rec Director. How many cities do you know that sanction MTB trails, dirtjumpparks and BMX? He is the hero, he has spearheaded this thing for 3 years and he is totallly willing to do what YOU and us as Volunteers want and/or need.

Keep the input coming!

Tom, I never got you the 20 for that Surly:embarass:

Whatdoyoumean?
05-27-2009, 06:11 AM
Ricoh had a blast. Thanks to Josh and Gary for babysittin us at Victoria Lake, LCR/ Ricoh coming apart at the seams... Classic.

Sun down, then sun up. Breezy Pt corkscrew... New goat climb up M...

BHMBA doing some incredible work.

Will the real towlie please stand up.

CJMarkham
05-27-2009, 07:46 AM
Yes, I agree with you on all of those issues! Your feedback is great. We have had shirts for ride leaders in thae last two years....this years we had 100 volunteers, we need another way of defining locals/leaders, those shirts can kill a major part of the budget, I propose William Wallace style......all us locals go naked with blue warpaint, saves on laundry anyway! FREEDOM!

Your comment on riding til the sun dies makes sense. We did that tonight. Thanks.

In the end, ther are many folks involved. Jerry Cole is the hero, he is our Parks ad Rec Director. How many cities do you know that sanction MTB trails, dirtjumpparks and BMX? He is the hero, he has spearheaded this thing for 3 years and he is totallly willing to do what YOU and us as Volunteers want and/or need.

Keep the input coming!

Tom, I never got you the 20 for that Surly:embarass:

I was part of Luke's group and only have one other possible suggeston. I understand that many of the volunteers were employees of the local bikeshops and that it is difficult to volunteer and work at the same time. However, it would have been nice to have one of the local shops open for business during the weekend. I unfortunatally was the only one in our group who damaged a bike (tacoed my front wheel). Fortunatally I was able to get a new wheel at Scheels after realizing all the local shops were closed. I think Scheels is a great store and was certainly glad they had what I needed. That being said though, I would have rather supported one of the local bike shops and done business with them. Maybe in future festivals one of the bike shops could have a "repair" tent or something of that nature at the park for those out of towners that need some mechanical help. I doubt I was the only one that needed some replacement parts/work over the weekend.

One last thing . . . the riding was AWSOME! The doown hills and overlooks at Buzzards loops were breathtaking, Storm Mountain was excellent and I wish we would have had time to ride it more than once and who could forget Bone Collector! I will be back again to ride the Black Hills!

Wolfchimp
05-27-2009, 07:55 AM
Agreed, Ricoh/LCR had a great time out there this year. I wish I had gotten over to the dj park though. The social and BBQ were good...nice to talk with other festival participants and locals. Didn't make it to the film festival or pub crawl. Maps to the events and trails would be a pretty nice touch in the future. Josh did a great job guiding us at Victoria Lake! I'm sure we were a handful. Two favorite trails out there are Victoria Lake and Breezy Point. I'll be back next year...maybe even again this fall.

Tman
05-27-2009, 11:13 AM
I was part of Luke's group and only have one other possible suggeston. I understand that many of the volunteers were employees of the local bikeshops and that it is difficult to volunteer and work at the same time. However, it would have been nice to have one of the local shops open for business during the weekend. I unfortunatally was the only one in our group who damaged a bike (tacoed my front wheel). Fortunatally I was able to get a new wheel at Scheels after realizing all the local shops were closed. I think Scheels is a great store and was certainly glad they had what I needed. That being said though, I would have rather supported one of the local bike shops and done business with them. Maybe in future festivals one of the bike shops could have a "repair" tent or something of that nature at the park for those out of towners that need some mechanical help. I doubt I was the only one that needed some replacement parts/work over the weekend.

One last thing . . . the riding was AWSOME! The doown hills and overlooks at Buzzards loops were breathtaking, Storm Mountain was excellent and I wish we would have had time to ride it more than once and who could forget Bone Collector! I will be back again to ride the Black Hills!

Actually very few of the leaders work in shops.

Two Wheeler Dealer was open all weekend and has prob the biggest inventory in 5 states. Talking with Amy and Christy at the registration tent we discussed keeping a table manned with BHMBA members to answer questions and such.

Tman
05-27-2009, 11:15 AM
Agreed, Ricoh/LCR had a great time out there this year. I wish I had gotten over to the dj park though. The social and BBQ were good...nice to talk with other festival participants and locals. Didn't make it to the film festival or pub crawl. Maps to the events and trails would be a pretty nice touch in the future. Josh did a great job guiding us at Victoria Lake! I'm sure we were a handful. Two favorite trails out there are Victoria Lake and Breezy Point. I'll be back next year...maybe even again this fall.

Good to see your crew, Josh is good folk and a great leader, glad you had fun.

CJMarkham
05-27-2009, 11:53 AM
Actually very few of the leaders work in shops.

Two Wheeler Dealer was open all weekend and has prob the biggest inventory in 5 states. Talking with Amy and Christy at the registration tent we discussed keeping a table manned with BHMBA members to answer questions and such.

I apologize, when we went to Acme and they were closed we went down to the Park and someone had told us that the only place open was Scheels. I guess we assumed that Two Wheeler Dealer was closed due to the Festival as well. They may have been closed however for the day (I think it was after 5pm on Saturday) so that was our fault.

Again, we truley enjoyed ourselves and plan on attending again, just thought some thoughts/ideas might help.

mtb_guy
05-27-2009, 12:26 PM
Had a blast, looking forward to next year. I'll be back for sure. I love all the "playgrounds" at Breezy Point and the fun climb at Bulldog with the rewarding decent. I guess these two are my favorites this year. All the trails rock and I love every second out in the Black Hills.

With any event, even those that are more mature, it takes a bit to get things rolling and its never possible to make everyone happy. Keep up the good work, tweak the event and it will continue to get better. I look forward to the evaluation where I can answer questions and give feedback that will hopefully help.

I was with the group that had a guide designated for the whole weekend. This truly maximized our time and ability to ride the wheels off our bikes. Steve (and Kelly) were great guys and made the trip out to the Hills F-ing awesome....Props to them. We had a lot of good laughs and Steve really knew the trails well....even though he apparently got lost a lot.;)

T-man, thanks for taking all of our feedback, suggestions and criticism into consideration. I know that each year the festival will improve because of your consideration and the organizers dedication to make this event kickass.

After riding out there, the rock gardens at Leb will seem like nothing at all. Seriously!

Back to work...Ugh!

DmacBmac
05-27-2009, 03:24 PM
Do not purchase one of their lame ass maps...worthless. Get a guide if you go back out there. I am heading to Fruita next year so I am out for sure.

Funny thing out there in Fruita, you can buy a map that tells you everything you need to ride solo or with a group.

Tman
05-27-2009, 04:31 PM
Had a blast, looking forward to next year. I'll be back for sure. I love all the "playgrounds" at Breezy Point and the fun climb at Bulldog with the rewarding decent. I guess these two are my favorites this year. All the trails rock and I love every second out in the Black Hills.

With any event, even those that are more mature, it takes a bit to get things rolling and its never possible to make everyone happy. Keep up the good work, tweak the event and it will continue to get better. I look forward to the evaluation where I can answer questions and give feedback that will hopefully help.

I was with the group that had a guide designated for the whole weekend. This truly maximized our time and ability to ride the wheels off our bikes. Steve (and Kelly) were great guys and made the trip out to the Hills F-ing awesome....Props to them. We had a lot of good laughs and Steve really knew the trails well....even though he apparently got lost a lot.;)

T-man, thanks for taking all of our feedback, suggestions and criticism into consideration. I know that each year the festival will improve because of your consideration and the organizers dedication to make this event kickass.

After riding out there, the rock gardens at Leb will seem like nothing at all. Seriously!

Back to work...Ugh!

No prob, thanks for being guinea pigs!:D Steve is one of my oldest pals and riding partners so I knew you would be fine. Fortunately he had a few days off and planned on riding anyway or it would not have worked out. I did manage to finally ride with him the last 2 nights, the huge rain has the new stuff on M-Hill in primo shape!

Magic
05-27-2009, 06:25 PM
Well this Ricoh/LCR player had a blast. But better maps to the riding areas would be nice in the future.

My fav's were Breezy Point and Loop 15. Talk about uphill fun!!!!!!!!!!

So many trails that I still have to put tread on that I'll be back again.

My towlie is all wet from Storm Mountain, I need a new one.

Specialeded
05-27-2009, 08:08 PM
Do not purchase one of their lame ass maps...worthless. Get a guide if you go back out there. I am heading to Fruita next year so I am out for sure.

Funny thing out there in Fruita, you can buy a map that tells you everything you need to ride solo or with a group.


Fruita huh?


http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/kool_aid_man.jpg

Ish
05-27-2009, 08:39 PM
Moth on Moth love.

Looks like your making the rounds.;)

http://allthingsfo.blogspot.com/2009/05/fugly.html

ryno lite
05-27-2009, 09:14 PM
Do not purchase one of their lame ass maps...worthless. Get a guide if you go back out there. I am heading to Fruita next year so I am out for sure.

Funny thing out there in Fruita, you can buy a map that tells you everything you need to ride solo or with a group.

This is the main fact that keeps me away from Black Hills mtn biking. If I go to Fruita or the CAMBA trails, there are great maps that will get me to a proper trailhead and navigate me around great trails without getting lost. I travel to the Black Hills and I really like it out there, but I won't be hauling out my mtn bike until there are proper maps and guide books that get you to the trailhead and navigate me around the trails well. I'm not getting a guide to get me around. If you want bike tourists then you need to make it dummy proof. First time I hit Fruita, it was so easy to hit the trailhead and navigate yourself through awesome trails. Hopefully I can make it out to Fruita again next Spring.

Ish
05-27-2009, 09:31 PM
This is the main fact that keeps me away from Black Hills mtn biking. If I go to Fruita or the CAMBA trails, there are great maps that will get me to a proper trailhead and navigate me around great trails without getting lost. I travel to the Black Hills and I really like it out there, but I won't be hauling out my mtn bike until there are proper maps and guide books that get you to the trailhead and navigate me around the trails well. I'm not getting a guide to get me around. If you want bike tourists then you need to make it dummy proof. First time I hit Fruita, it was so easy to hit the trailhead and navigate yourself through awesome trails. Hopefully I can make it out to Fruita again next Spring.

+1. And the gpx file should be posted online somewhere like this (http://www.geoladders.com/overview.php) or this (http://btrails.com/). Let me download to my gps and I can have at it!!!

I think doing something like this would definately draw more folks in. It's no fun getting lost or constantly wondering if you made the right turn at the fork in the trail (unless you are into that kind of torture *cough...ricoh...cough*)

ryno lite
05-27-2009, 09:48 PM
+1. And the gpx file should be posted online somewhere like this (http://www.geoladders.com/overview.php) or this (http://btrails.com/). Let me download to my gps and I can have at it!!!

I think doing something like this would definately draw more folks in. It's no fun getting lost or constantly wondering if you made the right turn at the fork in the trail (unless you are into that kind of torture *cough...ricoh...cough*)

I would love to ride there, I just want it to be easy. Good trail maps, guide books, and trail signage are needed to get people out riding those trails consistently. I can't even find trail info on the website. I'm sure they will get there. It takes time. Just want to give my input.

I've traveled all over the west and never had a problem finding a guide book, map, trailhead, or getting around a hiking trail. For some reason mountain biking trails are always secret. I've never needed a guide to help me or stop at a gear shop to find a good hiking trail when I travel. I wish it could be that way with all mtn bike trails.

P.S. Don't mean to be negative on Black Hills riding. It just looks like such a great place to ride that I'd love to be able to go out myself and ride them. I just can't without maps and trail markings. Might have to try to hit the BHFTF next year to actually get guided around.

mtb_guy
05-28-2009, 07:20 AM
Do not purchase one of their lame ass maps...worthless. Get a guide if you go back out there. I am heading to Fruita next year so I am out for sure.

Funny thing out there in Fruita, you can buy a map that tells you everything you need to ride solo or with a group.

I believe there is a good reason that maps do not exist. To keep guys like you lost and upset. :eyeroll: :laugh: j/k. No really though, with all the different property lines the trails cross and land owners involved I believe its safer to not have maps or accurate maps. That way trails are not in danger of potential shutdown when landowners find out that there is a stretch of 100 yards of singletrack crossing their pasture....kind of an ignorance is bliss mindset by landowners/locals.

Fruita is a different area and is able to provide accurate maps, the black hills operates a little differently. Both kickass!

Tman
05-28-2009, 08:12 AM
Understand that we are just getting deep into our advocacy stage. Up until a few short years ago we really didnt have the manpower to organize the way many of us wanted to. Thanks to the tireless work of quite a few folks things are coming around. I first rode the CAMBA trails almost 20 years ago and understand signage and mapping. Yes we are working on both issues. Many of our trail networks are brand new, heck some of the trail at Buzzards was barely cut in just to get it open for the festival.

Until then, do what we suggest, give one of us locals a call, a PM an email, just get in touch. There are ALWAYS folks willing to meet up and show some trails, during the festival or not. I suspect the only folks that gripe about the Hills have never taken us up on our hospitality.

Nutmeg
05-28-2009, 08:26 AM
I had a lot of fun - Steve and Kelly as our guides were awesome!

There are some trails that are well marked - buzzards and storm and bulldog / centennial - I liked storm a lot - would like to go back when I am not so pooped!!

Don't forget your towel!

ryno lite
05-28-2009, 08:43 AM
First off, you guys are working hard and will get there one day. When you do, you'll have one heck of a destination. I can't wait! I have spoken with people from out there and understand the situation. Thanks for the offers, I may have to take you guys up on it. Problem is, when I go on vacation, I am generally on a relaxed schedule making it hard to coordinate things. I need a map and book to get me thru the trail on my own time. Til then, I probably will stay away.

Homegrown
05-28-2009, 10:00 AM
There is no doubt the Black Hills could use some better signage and mapping, but I think it is important to understand this is a small club with a whole lot of trails to maintain.

I also believe we could learn a lot from our neighbors. These guys totally have the youth engaged with cycling. So maybe the mapping and signage are not the best, but they are breeding the next generation of riders and trail builders. In MN the youth is so disconnected, from the cycling seen.

This is totally typical MORC forum crying. If any of you would like to man-up and wipe the tears away I would be glad to drive you out to SD give you a place to stay and maybe even feed you…If you would be willing to help BHMDA (http://bhmba.org/) with some of these challenges.


I suspect the only folks that gripe about the Hills have never taken us up on our hospitality.
Agreed! Everyone I have ridden with in the hills are top notch and have gone out of there way for me. This is a big reason why I enjoy riding in the hill…the people are great and the riding is phenomenal.


I probably will stay away.
THIS IS YOUR LOSS!

Ish
05-28-2009, 10:34 AM
I guess I saw it as people just giving some feedback on how to make it better...which is what Trent asked for.

No reason to get all defensive and sugest folks aren't "man enough" to ride....

Steven W.
05-28-2009, 10:37 AM
No reason to get all defensive and sugest folks aren't "man enough" to ride....

That's what I was thinking...

ppgc
05-28-2009, 10:46 AM
So to turn this around a little, if anyone has a GPS track of some of the trails out there can you send it to me. I am going to be out there mid July and will try to meet up with some of you locals but if I can't I would still like to ride...Anyone? :) I promise not to share it. :D

Homegrown
05-28-2009, 11:00 AM
I guess I saw it as people just giving some feedback on how to make it better...which is what Trent asked for.

No reason to get all defensive and sugest folks aren't "man enough" to ride....

I said nothing about man enough to ride. I meant man-up to help with these challenges, rather then complaining.

And YES I am being defensive! These guys bust there butts to put on a festival and I see a lot of negative feedback. I think it is VERY important to point out some of this feedback is from people who were not even at the festival and have never rode in SD.

Everyone had an opportunity to ride great trails led by local VOLUNTEAR guides. It is important to also note some of these trails have dangerous obstacles, which is another good reason to ride with a local.

ryno lite
05-28-2009, 11:18 AM
Sorry if I have come off negative. Just giving input as to what it would take to get my tourism dollar. I respect the hard work this small group is doing! They will make the BH a mtn bike destination, I am sure of that! Minn riders want this to happen and look forward to it. BH is the closest mtns to us and it would make a great mtn biking destination. It will happen. I know it takes time.

Nutmeg
05-28-2009, 11:22 AM
I said nothing about man enough to ride. I meant man-up to help with these challenges, rather then complaining.

And YES I am being defensive! These guys bust there butts to put on a festival and I see a lot of negative feedback. I think it is VERY important to point out some of this feedback is from people who were not even at the festival and have never rode in SD.

Everyone had an opportunity to ride great trails led by local VOLUNTEER guides. It is important to also note some of these trails have dangerous obstacles, which is another good reason to ride with a local.

+1 - Buy the pass if you go - support the trails, you get food, beer, fun and guides and help them get some $ in their coffers to make the trails and the festival better in the future.

Fruita is a completely different trail system - all the trails are basically in one area - black hills have trails all over the place and they all have something different to offer - although they all have a lot of climbing!! Not all of them are marked or even can be marked.

Don - quit whining!

ryno lite
05-28-2009, 11:24 AM
I've truly wanted to attend the past 2 years but it just hasn't worked out. I really want to in the future.

Again, sorry if I have been negative. These volunteers have done and are doing great things! With a group like this working hard, the future is bright!

Wolfchimp
05-28-2009, 11:49 AM
I can definitely see the advantage of having a GPS for the trails out there. I wish I would have owned one for this trip so that I could have mapped Victoria Lake and a few others.

KleinCrazy
05-28-2009, 11:55 AM
I have ridden in the Black Hills and enjoy Exploratory Riding...

I will comment that if you want a system to become a "destination" for mountain biking, there HAS to be some way that people can find, follow, and enjoy this destination without having to organize their schedule around the availability of the local guides, or around pre-determined events.

From what I understand now, and it is very early in the development of the advocacy group out there so I am sure they will make it, the trail systems in place out there seem to be of a Locals Trail System and not really what I would consider a "destination" trail system.

I know that things will improve as they become more established and their membership grows and evolves, and I give them lots of credit for hosting "Destination Festival" so early on in their life.

Wolfchimp
05-28-2009, 12:00 PM
One of our guides told us that there are hundreds of miles of trails within a 20 mile radius of Rapid...many don't get ridden much at all because they are difficult to find or people just don't want to drive. There are many locals that know where these trails are so on future trips I plan to pick at their brains to get directions or just ask them to show me the way. Maybe I'll have a GPS by that time. :)

soupboy
05-28-2009, 12:20 PM
Few thoughts:



GPS maps are nice but no replacement for trail signage/markers. What good is a map with no points of reference?
If you want to be a mountain bike destination act as if.

Start by making sure a core sample of the higher traffic trails are at least as well marked as Storm Mountain which was infinitely better marked than it was at BHFTF #1.
The GJ/Fruita trails are pretty spread out and they're all well marked. Same goes for the Moab metroplex. And Sedona. And the Front Range.
Why should the BH trails be held to a different standard?


Having lots of poorly marked trails sucks. There's no doubt certain people benefited from the guides but they're not always available and, moreover, not everybody wants one.
If you can't metabolize constructive feedback STFU and/or stop creating sub-optimal outcomes. Nobody is putting the organizers down.

It's a nascent MTB community with seemingly endless terrain options.
It's painfully obvious though that the people and capital resources are limited and spread too thin for the footprint they're trying to support and promote.


Time fixes many things and I think the majority of us fully expect the BHFTF to continue to evolve into a great riding destination.

Pandl
05-28-2009, 02:19 PM
So far, Trent has accepted all feedback. But, the last page or so has been back and forth between MORC members. Trent said they know about the signage issues, and are working on them.

I had a great time, had a fabulous guide that worked with our schedule. Would it have been as good without a guide, probably not. But, I had a guide, so didn't bother me any. I had my Garmin 305 along, and had it on during all rides I was on. I still don't know if I could find my way around trying to follow that.

Great time. My only feedback was timing of some of the events, and the demo places. They did not follow the schedule.

I will be back for BHFTF next year! Thank you!!

Tman
05-28-2009, 11:06 PM
So far, Trent has accepted all feedback. But, the last page or so has been back and forth between MORC members. Trent said they know about the signage issues, and are working on them.

I had a great time, had a fabulous guide that worked with our schedule. Would it have been as good without a guide, probably not. But, I had a guide, so didn't bother me any. I had my Garmin 305 along, and had it on during all rides I was on. I still don't know if I could find my way around trying to follow that.

Great time. My only feedback was timing of some of the events, and the demo places. They did not follow the schedule.

I will be back for BHFTF next year! Thank you!!

Thank you Paul. I was ready to do a multiple reply and adress many points but decided to just type all the happy here.

As for GPS, several volunteers mapped TONS( or should I say bookoo) of trails with the same GPS that the USFS uses when the new travel manegement program was being instituted in the last couple years. We do have the GPS but the trails are evolving as we speak. Some of the stuff you folks rode was HOURS old when friday hit. Yes, hours. Maps will come, give us time. And trails will get better.

Each year we have offered up new rides, we wil try and keep it fresh.

It IS best to hook up with one of us for a guided tour. Not just for the rides but for the local 411 and history of the area. If not that, the input on where to drink and eat and the cheapest place to buy gas!

As for guides not being available, I (as rider leader coordinator) had people ready to lead rides at the registration tent all weekend. We plan certain rides but will tweak our schedule to suit YOU, the attendees. I was at teh HQ for the planned start of most rides and a little shocked this year that folks did not pile into the guided rides like we did the last two years.

a few of us discussed all these things tonight at the East trailhead of M Hill tonight. I just came off 3 days of killer riding and am on a high. Trust us, we want to show you the best time ever. Be social, engage in the festival and you WILL have fun. CAMBA had the skiers and Birkie to build the base they started with. We are where they were 20+ years ago. We will get there.

Please, keep the feedback coming. Good or bad, us locals will listen.

9GUY9
05-29-2009, 09:34 AM
A little piece of positive feedback.

The shirts were got at the fest are awesome. I just wore mine for the first time yesterday. IT is a really nice high quality shirt. Not the typical hanes t shirt you get at these type of things. Plus it looks nice.