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Magic

01-31-2008, 12:39 PM

NO!
Why would you do that, when there are many other great choices out on the market?
Unless you had the parts laying around and didn't have to buy anything for them and were going to put them on a bike that you hardly rode, then maybe. But it wouldn't be my first choice. I like Hydro's and have for a very long, long time.

Would anyone build a V-brake equipped bike anymore?

I am thinking about it.;)

Guest1

01-31-2008, 12:42 PM

NO!
Why would you do that,

Weight pure and simple, discs are heavier, and always have an amount of drag.

gtbikes

01-31-2008, 12:44 PM

Would anyone build a V-brake equipped bike anymore?

I am thinking about it.;)

I have yet to own a bike w/o V's, so I must be crazy:crazy:! I do plan to change that since I bought a set of disc brakes for my new full suspension I am dreaming of piecing together. I think V's would be less maintenance , it seems my friends are always adjusting and calibrating there discs systems.

Lezgo Cycling

01-31-2008, 12:48 PM

The why not a hydro in front for primary and a V in the back for mindset :D

Ish

01-31-2008, 12:52 PM

Weight pure and simple, discs are heavier, and always have an amount of drag.

On a performance to weight ratio, hydros win. There are much better places to save weight without sacrificing as much performance IMO.

Even on a CX, I'd go for disc.;)

Lezgo Cycling

01-31-2008, 12:53 PM

Or just do like many Park, BMX guys NO BRAKES :crazy2: that'll save weight :D

Magic

01-31-2008, 12:55 PM

I didn't know you have become a weight weenie! Plus I'll take the trade off of the weight for a better braking system. I never did like V-brakes and never will. They suck in the wet and they squeal like little pigs for the rest of the time.

And I have no drag on my Hayes Purples.

Weight pure and simple, discs are heavier, and always have an amount of drag.

berrywise

01-31-2008, 12:56 PM

Starting from scratch, probably not, but I do have enough parts around that I don't see any reason why not to build a bike with v brakes. I still love my XTR v-brakes over a lot of disc brakes I have used.

Magic

01-31-2008, 12:58 PM

No offense to your friends, but there are not taking the time to set them up right in the first place. I never have a problem with my hydros. Take the time to set them up right and go ride. Most people have this misconception about Discs being more maintenance, but they are not if done right.

I think V's would be less maintenance , it seems my friends are always adjusting and calibrating there discs systems.

berrywise

01-31-2008, 01:14 PM

they squeal like little pigs for the rest of the time.

No offense to your friends, but there are not taking the time to set them up right in the first place.

Sounds like you need a lesson on how to setup your v-brakes :D:crazy:

Ish

01-31-2008, 01:24 PM

Sounds like you need a lesson on how to setup your v-brakes :D:crazy:

Nice one! :laugh:

Guest1

01-31-2008, 01:26 PM

I didn't know you have become a weight weenie!

Just on one of my new bikes.;)

BTW ceramic XTR V-brakes worked awesome imo. those would be what I would be using on a set of 717 rims if I go the rim brake route.

dave t

01-31-2008, 01:28 PM

I think weight would have to be the only advantage for Vs unless you're hooked on the initial, Mr. V.

Maintenance: I always seemed to be messing with cables or toe-in on rim brakes.
Drag: Mine don't unless I just changed pads and was sloppy with the centering.
Reliability: I've bent or dented way more rims and broken more cables than I care to remember. My Hayes hydros leaked once and I tightened the fitting to fix it.

For me, rim brakes would be a step back but I could still see justification to do it. Just not many of the reasons people usually give.

Rocky Mountain

01-31-2008, 01:38 PM

Might as well take another step back and go singlespeed as well.

Would anyone build a V-brake equipped bike anymore?

I am thinking about it.;)

ryno lite

01-31-2008, 01:38 PM

I like my V-brakes. My next bike will probably have disc brakes though.

V-brakes advantages:

1. simpler
2. weigh less
3. cost less

I'm sure there are disadvantages, but I don't have disc brakes yet, so I can't say much more.

As far as rim brakes sucking when they are wet, I never ride when it is wet thus saving the trail and not having to deal with wet rim brakes. Disclaimer: I never ride in the winter and I could see wet rims being a big problem in winter.

Even though I like my current v-brakes, I look forward to building my next bike with disc brakes. I'm sure I will like them.

I believe both brakes have their uses depending on the situation.

setzep

01-31-2008, 01:43 PM

Back when my buddy raced circle track *insert banjo music* he ran drum brakes all around. Adjusted them so there was no drag because he never used the brakes, something that can't be done with disk brakes on a car. The class he was in limited power so they ran wide open the whole way around the track.

I can see where some kind of v-brake on the rim would be better for a trials bike when you have to hold the wheel from spinning at all while hopping from place to place. With a disk brake you'll always have the small amount of spoke flex won't you?

Lezgo Cycling

01-31-2008, 01:48 PM

V-brakes advantages:

1. simpler
2. weigh less
3. cost less
.

3 very good reasons, I have both. My mtnb ike has Discs, and my commuter has rim / v brake. I like both but there is an advantage to discs....stopping power :D but theres still nothing wromng with rim brakes

tedsti

01-31-2008, 01:53 PM

Riding in the snow is what make me make the switch. Rims heat up a little from braking, then you get snow on them that melts and refreezes to a nice layer of ice on your braking surface. It takes quite a few wheel revolutions for the pads to melt through the ice to get your brakes back.

In the summer, I prefer disc brakes but wouldn't have a complete hissy-fit if I had to go back to Vs.

DMonkey

01-31-2008, 02:07 PM

Weight pure and simple, discs are heavier, and always have an amount of drag.

Um, I think it you check a lot of sites (MTBR for one) - the Magura Marta SL's are lighter than the 90% of the v-brakes out there (minus the disc/bolts). I've heard that Formula is also the same.

For the convience and stopping power - I'll stick with disc, though, I would think about mech's..

Guest1

01-31-2008, 02:10 PM

With a disk brake you'll always have the small amount of spoke flex won't you?

Spoke flex yes/no but the rotor to hub, pad in caliper create a bit of noticeable rock back and forth.

Specialeded

01-31-2008, 02:17 PM

http://www.formula-brake.it/htm/puro.asp

Realistically most v-brakes are not this light...or would supply the same modulation and power.

Guest1

01-31-2008, 02:23 PM

http://www.formula-brake.it/htm/puro.asp

Realistically most v-brakes are not this light...or would supply the same modulation and power.

Not linkable but I would guess the Puro is the model you are talking about.

At $335 per wheel, a little out of most peoples price range.

Lezgo Cycling

01-31-2008, 02:30 PM

Not linkable but I would guess the Puro is the model you are talking about.

At $335 per wheel, a little out of most peoples price range.

But your not most people :D

Magic

01-31-2008, 02:35 PM

No, I just dislike Sh!tmano that much that I would never use a V-brake from them or any other maker. Like I stated, I've had Hydro's for as long as I can remember, and they have always treated me fine. And if I was to go back to rim brakes, they would also be my Magura HS33 hydros.

Sounds like you need a lesson on how to setup your v-brakes :D:crazy:

Specialeded

01-31-2008, 02:44 PM

No, I just dislike Sh!tmano that much that I would never use a V-brake from them or any other maker. Like I stated, I've had Hydro's for as long as I can remember, and they have always treated me fine. And if I was to go back to rim brakes, they would also be my Magura HS33 hydros.

True that...

I did facny my Avid Ultimate Vees when I though I could ride trials :laugh:

Guest1

01-31-2008, 02:46 PM

And if I was to go back to rim brakes, they would also be my Magura HS33 hydros.

Yes he HS33 the weight weenie's choice.:eyeroll:

Surprised soupboy hasn't joined your rant against v-brakes, considering that well, you know, you both ride so much your voice usually speaks volumes over anybody else's.

(Yes I am calling out Soupboy for no reason).

Guest1

01-31-2008, 02:47 PM

Might as well take another step back and go singlespeed as well.

Why stop there, yabba dabba doo!

Magic

01-31-2008, 02:54 PM

I think it's an oxymoron that Dan V. is worried about weight. It's not like you race or anything.

And I get more than enough riding in in the spring, summer and fall so I don't have to ride in the winter. I have a life and do other things come snow fall. But if you don't want to hear from me on this, then I'm out since you say I don't have a voice because I don't ride in the winter!:kiss:

Yes he HS33 the weight weenie's choice.:eyeroll:

Surprised soupboy hasn't joined your rant against v-brakes, considering that well, you know, you both ride so much your voice usually speaks volumes over anybody else's.

(Yes I am calling out Soupboy for no reason).

Thewavebb

01-31-2008, 03:12 PM

And I get more than enough riding in in the spring, summer and fall so I don't have to ride in the winter. I have a life and do other things come snow fall.

Would those other things include talking smack on Morc? :)

Guest1

01-31-2008, 03:15 PM

I think it's an oxymoron that Dan V. is worried about weight. It's not like you race or anything.

And I get more than enough riding in in the spring, summer and fall so I don't have to ride in the winter. I have a life and do other things come snow fall. But if you don't want to hear from me on this, then I'm out since you say I don't have a voice because I don't ride in the winter!:kiss:

I didn't say anything about not riding in the winter, seasons change winter riding blows (yes I said it) but I still have only seen you on a bike twice.

jitterjepp

01-31-2008, 03:16 PM

I don't own a bike with disc brakes but on long rides where you don't have the option of being able to get to a bike shop I'd personally rather go with something I know is more tried and true mechanically speaking. When we went on the Maah Daah Hey we had two bikes with disc brakes have problems and both only had one brake after the first 20 miles.
Being that I have never had brake issues with any of my v-brake bikes this was simply crazy to me that two could have the same problem over only 20 miles of distance.

Maybe I'm just too old school but I really like things I know I can depend on. I own a $300 pair of mountaineering bibs but when I go to the mountains to climb I leave them at home and opt for the $10 pair of green wool army pants I got from Stephen Regenolds dad because I know they are not going to fail me.

Guest1

01-31-2008, 03:25 PM

Well Magic has made me re-think things and I am ordering these.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/LargeImage.aspx?ModelID=23772&FileName=23772.jpg

Lezgo Cycling

01-31-2008, 03:28 PM

Pretty :eyeroll: you putting those on that fancy new BLUE bike :D you just got

gtbikes

01-31-2008, 03:29 PM

Might as well take another step back and go singlespeed as well.

oops did that too....almost as fast as my geared laps at Afton though!

Guest1

01-31-2008, 03:38 PM

Pretty :eyeroll: you putting those on that fancy new BLUE bike :D you just got

Actually yes, but not the bike you have seen, the other blue bike.

Lezgo Cycling

01-31-2008, 03:42 PM

Actually yes, but not the bike you have seen, the other blue bike.

What you got another blue bike ? Not the one you had at Theo sat ?

biking_stickman

01-31-2008, 04:08 PM

MisterClaw

01-31-2008, 04:19 PM

You know we are all sick and tired of winter when we get in a rim Vs disk brake flamewar.
I'm waiting for the mechanical Vs hyrdo sub-flamewar to break out. :crazy:

Lezgo Cycling

01-31-2008, 04:20 PM

You know we are all sick and tired of winter when we get in a rim Vs disk brake flamewar.
I'm waiting for the mechanical Vs hyrdo sub-flamewar to break out. :crazy:

Mechanical :D

Tomg

01-31-2008, 04:25 PM

Love the pink:sick:

Is it just me or is that a pretty crappy CNC job? If your going through all the trouble to pink anodize and engrave flowers on the caliper wouldn't it be nice if they have finished the job with something other than a hogging mill.:confused:

Guest1

01-31-2008, 04:56 PM

Don't forget the weight saved by the rim on a disc specific rim. A disc brake may have more weight near the hub but the weight saved on the rim is multiplied many times when acceleration is considered.

717 disc brake 395 gram
717 rim brake 420 gram

You know we are all sick and tired of winter when we get in a rim Vs disk brake flamewar.
I'm waiting for the mechanical Vs hyrdo sub-flamewar to break out. :crazy:

At least it is bike talk and not TV talk.

Love the pink:sick:

Is it just me or is that a pretty crappy CNC job? If your going through all the trouble to pink anodize and engrave flowers on the caliper wouldn't it be nice if they have finished the job with something other than a hogging mill.:confused:

Quite a bit of 3D milling time is money and smoother is big coin. Hope kind of goes out of the way to show they CNC everything, not finish machine castings.

Ish

01-31-2008, 05:43 PM

Hope kind of goes out of the way to show they CNC everything, not finish machine castings.

Performance wise, what is the benefit?

Magic

01-31-2008, 05:48 PM

Yes that is what I do and I do it well, since I don't have a job, I have plenty of time to talk smack. Hows life been going for you and the family Ben?
Would those other things include talking smack on Morc? :)

Now you've gone and did it. But I see the sarcasm in your writing. When it's all said and done, it's your bike and you put what you feel is the best system for you.

Well Magic has made me re-think things and I am ordering these.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/LargeImage.aspx?ModelID=23772&FileName=23772.jpg

Guest1

01-31-2008, 05:56 PM

Now you've gone and did it. But I see the sarcasm in your writing. When it's all said and done, it's your bike and you put what you feel is the best system for you.

Actually I have been looking to buy these brakes for quite awhile now but still haven't seen them being available.

They match my Pink king hubs and headset so,.....

gtbikes

01-31-2008, 06:13 PM

Actually I have been looking to buy these brakes for quite awhile now but still haven't seen them being available.

They match my Pink king hubs and headset so,.....

Ah my eyes!

transplant

01-31-2008, 06:17 PM

Make everyone here happy. Go mullet style. Disc in the front, v in the back. No hydros, though. We don't care if Magic's happy :jumpy:

Magic

01-31-2008, 07:22 PM

Hey, who asked for your 1 cent? And Magic will never be happy. That's all the part of being Magic!

Oh by the way Tom, I'm still waiting on your fork. Anytime will do for me.

Make everyone here happy. Go mullet style. Disc in the front, v in the back. No hydros, though. We don't care if Magic's happy :jumpy:

Magic

01-31-2008, 07:24 PM

Another oxymoron, Dan Vold and talking about owning PINK parts. We need to talk young man!:etard:

Actually I have been looking to buy these brakes for quite awhile now but still haven't seen them being available.

They match my Pink king hubs and headset so,.....

Guest1

01-31-2008, 07:52 PM

I'm a thenseitive boy these days.

transplant

01-31-2008, 09:41 PM

Oh by the way Tom, I'm still waiting on your fork. Anytime will do for me.

Yeah, I know, I know. Maybe I'll take it off instead of watching the Stupor Bowl this year. Funny thing is, I don't miss the full suspension (or gears) like I might have in AZ. But it will be nice to have it back for Afton. So I got time. :p

Guest1

01-31-2008, 10:09 PM

Yeah, I know, I know. Maybe I'll take it off instead of watching the Stupor Bowl this year. Funny thing is, I don't miss the full suspension (or gears) like I might have in AZ. But it will be nice to have it back for Afton. So I got time. :p

Keep in mind Magic "works" only as fast as the work that shows up to him.

motomofo

02-01-2008, 04:13 PM

Going down has never bothered me. Its the going up part That I seem to have problems with. If disc brakes could change that, I would switch. Other wise its old school V brakes for this guy. Just My .02

Magic

02-01-2008, 04:26 PM

My sister, the time has come to make the jump to discs. I need you to do this to slow you down some so I can have a chance to keep up with you.:D

Going down has never bothered me. Its the going up part That I seem to have problems with. If disc brakes could change that, I would switch. Other wise its old school V brakes for this guy. Just My .02

GearDaddy

02-01-2008, 06:02 PM

Been riding and racing since '99 with ceramic rim surfaces and Avid V-brakes. Number of problems with them: 0 .... I have seen a few poor souls along the way with bent/warped disc rotors though. Ceramic surface is way better than standard aluminum for all condition riding.

Not saying that discs are bad. They were nice to have when I was riding in the gloppy and soupy conditions in the Pacific Northwest. But around here, I'd hardly say discs are necessary.

taylor p.

02-02-2008, 08:14 PM

Weight pure and simple, discs are heavier, and always have an amount of drag.
how so?

taylor p.

02-02-2008, 08:17 PM

taylor p.

02-02-2008, 08:28 PM

taylor p.

02-02-2008, 08:33 PM

Magic

02-02-2008, 11:27 PM

Jeff was talking about up grading to disc not going up hill. Good call though.

how do they make going up harder?

Guest1

02-08-2008, 01:25 PM

Well a set of M770 XT cranks showed up today, thinking maybe they will look funny on my new bike, may need to order a set of XTR ones.

slothlike

02-08-2008, 08:10 PM

Jeff was talking about up grading to disc not going up hill. Good call though.

I thought he meant that it was harder to up because no one ever has them set up right so they scrape and causing drag. Or that they are always getting banged into something and getting bent causing even more drag.

If V brakes were invented after discs they'd be heralded as lighter, easier to set up, and easier to modulate and everyone would want them (and I'd probably stick to discs just 'cause I'm a retro-grouch).

nigel

02-08-2008, 08:33 PM

I thought he meant that it was harder to up because no one ever has them set up right so they scrape and causing drag. Or that they are always getting banged into something and getting bent causing even more drag.

If V brakes were invented after discs they'd be heralded as lighter, easier to set up, and easier to modulate and everyone would want them (and I'd probably stick to discs just 'cause I'm a retro-grouch).

You just need me to be your personal wrench again :crazy: