new patroller classes

[Lezgo Cycling]

Hey hans or anyone who knows for that matter, has there been a class date figured out yet to get basic first aid, cpr etc. ? Curious as the class I had tried to schedule fell through, and just today remebered Hans saying he would like to host his class again this fall. Let me know

[Danimal]

Check out the American Red Cross's web site they offer them all of the time, not sure when Han's is planning another class. I know he won't do one unless he has a turnout of 10 - 15 participants.

[Lezgo Cycling]

basic first aid, cpr, aed anything else needed to get involved with the patrollers

[Drew K.]

it is cheaper to go through hans, that is the nice part of not using the Red Cross. I'm interested as well!

[Lezgo Cycling]

theres 2 ...we need at least 8 more commited and see with hans if he can and will do one this fall or winter....

[TrailPatrol]

Coincidentally, I have been trying to set up a November class at REI, but they are busy with sales and stuff like that. December is, of course, Christmas season for retailers. Right now we look good for mid-January at REI in Maple Grove. (mara, take note. That was the WFA class you were going to be in Tahoe for. It has been rescheduled...almost!)

I do have a Basic First Aid/CPR class scheduled for next Friday, (10/19) in New Hope during the daytime if anyone is interested. 9 AM to about 5 PM at North Ridge Care Center. (Okay, no smarta$$ comments about the location, or you don't get to take the class. :nono:) It will meet MORC standards, but not Backcountry's. E-mail me if you are interested.


Ride safe,
:banana:
Hans

PS I need a minimum of six. That's 6, Dan.

[Danimal]

basic first aid, cpr, aed anything else needed to get involved with the patrollers

A DEDICATED attitude. It doesn't pay well, a little traveling, and a lot of dedication. If you don't have the dedication you need not apply.:D

Why are Backcountry's standards lower than ours:D:D:D

[TrailPatrol]

Why are Backcountry's standards lower than ours:D:D:D

Ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ya' know what? You will never get a red jacket until you come up to our standards. :fool: So there!!

Because of where we patrol, (Chequamegon and Chippewa National Forests, Sand Dunes and Birch Lakes State Forests) and when we patrol, (winter ski patrol as well as summer bike patrol) we require a minimum of 16 hours of Wilderness First Aid (WFA) with CPR to join, and you are required to take Advanced Wilderness First Aid during your second year of membership.

We offer the WFA/AWFA training, but we can also give you a list of other accepted training sources, such as Wilderness Medicince Institute of NOLS, Wilderness Medical Associates or SOLO Schools, all of which offer classes in the area.

Ride safe,
:banana:
Hans

[Lezgo Cycling]

A DEDICATED attitude. It doesn't pay well, a little traveling, and a lot of dedication. If you don't have the dedication you need not apply.:D

Why are Backcountry's standards lower than ours:D:D:D

what are you trying to say ..im not dedicated beaause I tried to set up a class and she was fired from her job and I coudnt contatct to finalize the deal.....:D im dedicated and will be for sure. Where do you travel to ? I bought new bike and get it sunday (thanks eric p) so I want to get involved and ride more this year

[Danimal]

Just saying you have to be dedicated bro.

[Lezgo Cycling]

Just saying you have to be dedicated bro.

gotcha

[Alden]

I am currently looking into a trianing class for First Responder at HCMC. This would not be dependent on number of participants and there may be a discount involved. I'll keep you posted.
Alden

[kabbie_cache]

It will meet MORC standards, but not Backcountry's.


MORC has thier on patrolers ? Did I miss something ?

[TrailPatrol]

MORC has thier on patrolers ? Did I miss something ?

There are two NMBP patrols in the Twin Cities area, the MORC MTB Patrol and the Backcountry Trail Patrol. Danny Glassic is the Director of the MORC patrol and I am the Director of the Backcountry Patrol. Both units sprang from a common root; the North-Central MTB Patrol, founded by myself and Alden's cousin Brian in 1996. MMBP works events and patrols trails in the metro area. The Backcountry Patrol patrols trails in two state and two national forests, does ski patrol in the winter, and works a limited number of events; CFTF, the TC Marathon and the Cities of Lakes Loppet and related events. We also work some ski races in the Cable area, (but not the Birkie) and we patrol MTB events at Hillside, because most of us live closer to Elk River than most of the MORC patrollers. We are both members of IMBA and NMBP, but the MMBP is a part (division or program) of MORC, where the BTP is an affiliate member of MORC. We work a lot of events together, and back each other up whenever needed. But, yes, we are two separate organizations with somewhat different priorities and "styles".

The Backcountry Patrol holds patroller training twice a year; In the spring, MTB training up in Cable, WI, and in the early winter, X-C ski training at Lake Maria State Park near Monticello. We hold the Wilderness First Aid classes each once or twice a year, which are open to anyone interested, and which we use as a means of recruiting new members.

Is that as clear as mud?

Ride safe,
Hans

[manual63]

Hans, you know us MORC patrollers rock! Just accept it and move on....:)

Someday I do hope to get the wilderness first aid from you. I think that would help in some of the hands on skills I am currently missing.

[Danimal]

MORC patrol is looking into organizing an Urban Assault 1st aid training as well as a Block E Survival Training added to our program.

Since we are a patrol in the metro area and are as Hans puts it "two separate organizations with somewhat different priorities and "styles".:D

Alden, I would be interested in the 1st responder training.

[Lezgo Cycling]

[quote=Danimal;

Alden, I would be interested in the 1st responder training.[/quote]

quite possibley me too

[Drew K.]

Would the 1st responder training be enough to join the morc patrol?

[Alden]

Since I'm the trainer for the MORC patrol I guess I should chime in. Hans please explain Backcountry's requirements too.

There are two types of training you need to join any NMBP Patrol. Medical and patroller. The medical training requirements can differ from patrol to patrol as Hans will explain later, but the patroller training is basically the same. The MORC patrollers medical requirements are the about the minimum you'll find in any class anywhere. I'll list some different levels from lowest to highest and most demanding.
CPR/First Aid - about 12 hours
Wilderness First Aid - about 16 hours
Any of the previous plus AED - added 2-4 hours
First Responder - 40 hours
Wilderness First Responder - 40 ish hours
EMT Basic - 120 hours I think
EMT Advanced - more
Paramedic - way more
EMT and Paramedic levels also have supplements for IVs and medications that can be added on.

Questions?

Alden

[Lezgo Cycling]

the first responder class youa re talking about is that the 40ish hour and does it include everything prior in the list ?

still interested

[Alden]

Yes it does. They are progressive classes but you may learn how to do a few things differently in a higher level class because it's providing for a higher level of care. For instance as a first aider you may only be trained to protect a wound and seek higher level of care where as an EMT you may be trained to clean and dress a wound and prevent infection.

Alden

[Lezgo Cycling]

Sounds good keep us posted, I would defiantley be interested in a 1st responder class

later Gus

[TrailPatrol]

Hans, you know us MORC patrollers rock! Just accept it and move on....:)
Someday I do hope to get the wilderness first aid from you. I think that would help in some of the hands on skills I am currently missing.

Shad,
I know you and mara rock. (I already told mara she's a rock star, many posts ago.) You two certainly have my vote for "MORC Patrollers of the Year" but then, again, I don't have a vote.

I also know you now have more NMBP front plates than I do...and I would like to get some of them back some time.;)

The WFA class has moved to January, if maybe that will help schedule-wise.

Rock safe,
:banana:
Hans

[TrailPatrol]

The follwing information is taken from what Alden posted, and from the most current information on the certifying agencies (EMSRB, Red Cross, AAOS/Wilderness Medical Society) websites:

Basic First Aid - 4 hours (Meets NMBP and MMBP requirements)
Standard (or Community) First Aid - 12 hours
Basic Wilderness First Aid - 16 hours (Meets BTP requirements)
Advanced Wilderness First Aid - 32 hours
Basic CPR - 4 hours (with AED-add two hours)
CPR/Basic Life Support - 8 hours (includes AED)
First Responder - 40 hours
Wilderness First Responder - 72 hours
EMT Basic - 120 hours plus 10 hours in hospital
EMT Intermediate- Basic EMT plus 160 hours (IV administration, intubation, etc. and some meds)
Wilderness EMT - Basic EMT plus 64 hours
Paramedic - 1200 hours, plus 80 hours of ALS ride-along and 120 hours in hospital

I will post up Backcountry's training requirements a bit later.
Hans

[TrailPatrol]

The Backcountry Trail Patrol has different training requirements because our primary function is trail patrol. We have formal volunteer agreements (MOUs) with the US Forest Service for both the Chequamegon and Chippewa National Forests for mountain bike patrol and with the MN DNR for Sand Dunes State Forest Recreation Area and Lake Maria State Park (where I work) for x-c ski patrol. We also have an informal agreement with the DNR to help out with the bike and ski trails at Birch Lakes State Forest near Melrose. Those agreements set out what training the patrollers must have to work in those respective areas, in addition to NMBP training:

Agency-specific orientation
Risk management (Working in remote locations safely)
Map, compass and GPS*
Outdoor survival (Includes overnight)*
Using agency equipment (Radios, snowmobile/groomer, etc.)*
Role of the volunteer Backcountry Ranger (Our classification with the USFS)
Seasonal trail care and maintenance*

Most of this material is covered in DVDs, but anything marked with an "*" is also "hands-on". Our bike patrol training, usually done with the Barmy Dogs Patrol, takes all weekend. Our ski patrol training goes from Saturday morning until Sunday morning.

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Since we patrol areas that are a distance away from EMS, that is why we require Wilderness First Aid, because you may have to take care of an injured party for more than an hour until help arrives.

We got into special event coverage somewhat reluctantly, other than the Marathon and the Fat Tire Festival. We have MTB patrollers that do not work events, but are active in their forest trails; Rose in Grand Rapids, and Tommy and Jason who live here but patrol in the Chippewa are examples. Tony and Josh only work ski patrol (Josh has actually moved to Montana this summer, but I am using him as an example.) Craig only works the Marathon, but otherwise coordinates our ski trail grooming and patrol at Sand Dunes.

We got into the City of Lakes Loppet because Viking Nordic National SKi Patrol was too busy to take on another event. (Actually, we were all still North-Central MTB Patrol that first year.) That was before they started having year-round events, which we also now make sure are covered.

Long, I know, but I hope it answers what Alden wanted.

Ride safe,
Hans

[TrailPatrol]

MORC patrol is looking into organizing an Urban Assault 1st aid training as well as a Block E Survival Training added to our program.

Would you like to borrow my new IPMBA training manual? It has information on tactical cycling. and bicycle rapid response teams. (like SWAT on two wheels) Sounds just like what you are looking for.

http://www.bikepatrol.nl/plaatjes/Dayton1.JPG

Seriously, it is an excellent training manual, and includes 3 chapters on EMS Team Training, plus bike handling, urban riding and lots more.

http://www.ipmba.org/images/complete-guide-2nd-edition-200x263.jpg

You can order it here: http://www.jbpub.com/catalog/0763744336/

And seriously, no, I won't lend you mine! :jumpy:

Ride safe,
Hans

[slothlike]

Hans, What are the time commitments? I'm a teacher and would love to spend part of my summer doing trail patrol, but I'm too busy in the spring and fall. Is ski patrol required? That's not a sport I ever learned to appreciate.

[Danimal]

No, you don't have to be a member of the ski patrol, two different organizations altogether. We patrol most Sunday's in the spring/summer at the MNSCS races and do special events as well.

[TrailPatrol]

No, you do not have to do both. In the Backcountry Patrol we have some members who only do trail patrol on bikes. We have some who only do x-c ski patrol. We have one member who does special events on bike, and trail patrol on skis. We have several, like me, who do both bike and ski, and both events and regular patrol. Unlike what Dan was saying, Backcountry is not two separate organizations. We are one patrol that operates year-round, doing both bike and ski patrol.

The big point that seems to get obscured here is Backcountry and the MORC Patrol are two separate organizations. The leaders of both are contributing to this discussion, which is why some of this confusion exists. When I speak of requirements and standards, they pertain to the Backcountry Patrol only. Dan speaks for the MORC patrol. Alden, one of the MORC patrol's leaders, asked me to post up Backcountry's requirements.

The Backcountry Trail Patrol requires that, to remain a member, you be an active member. Once you are trained, finish your probation, then you start to get benefits, such as steep (50-75%) medical training discounts, pro-form deals on backcountry skis from a major ski manufacturer and on bike tires and parts from a big name in that industry, discounted winter camping gear and clothing, discounts at our sponsor bike shops, and...red jackets. :crazy2: Some months like September to mid-October and late January to mid-February are very busy, while others, like November (depending on when we start getting real snow) March and April are very quiet. Like Dan said earlier, no matter which patrol you join, it takes dedication.

Oh, and Ted, we can teach you to ski, too.

Ski safe,
Hans

[Danimal]

Keep it up with the red jacket thing bubby. Pretty soon I'll get one and look just like you :)

I mean't to say we are separate organizations under the IMBA umbrella. The "Northern boys" both Ski and Bike. I hate the cold so I prefer to stay toasty indoors. Besides it provides plenty of time for me to make up with my wife for being out patrolling most weekends during the summer season on my bike. :)

[TrailPatrol]

Keep it up with the red jacket thing bubby. Pretty soon I'll get one and look just like you :)
In your dreams, maybe.:crazy2: (Or my nightmares! :shocked:)

The "Northern boys" both Ski and Bike.

You are going to have to deal with Jodi and Rose for that little comment, bubba. :nono:

Rock on,
:banana:
Hans

[TrailPatrol]

The follwing information is taken from what Alden posted, and from the most current information on the certifying agencies (EMSRB, Red Cross, AAOS/Wilderness Medical Society) websites:...

Basic First Aid - 4 hours ...etc.
Hans

I forgot,
National Ski Patrol Outdoor Emergency Care - 60 hours.

Outdoor Emergency Care (OEC) is a course for certification in first aid, CPR and other pre-hospital care and treatment for possible injuries in non-urban settings. Outdoor Emergency Care technicians provide care at ski resorts, wilderness settings, white-water excursions, mountain bike events, and in many other outdoor environments.

[manual63]

Shad,
I know you and mara rock. (I already told mara she's a rock star, many posts ago.) You two certainly have my vote for "MORC Patrollers of the Year" but then, again, I don't have a vote.

I also know you now have more NMBP front plates than I do...and I would like to get some of them back some time.;)

Awwww Thanks Hans......:)

But I started a pretty red plates collection......and it's so pretty. Do I have to give them back?

That being said, Dan...put plates on our order list after we raise a bunch of money at our fundraiser....:)

To those that are interested in patrol......do it. It's a lot of fun. Sometimes we have to take action, but most of the time we hang out and enjoy many of the summer days. Besides, the racers, riders, and runners really appreciate us being there for them.

[Drew K.]

I am very interested in getting involved with patrolling... Maybe this winter i will have to go through the red cross for training.

Drew