Muddy River Rock 'n' Roll

[gus man]

Most likely the last year for this event. More details as they become fit for public knowledge.

[RichZilla]

No Friggin' way!!!! This is my favorite!!!!

NNNOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo..........

[gus man]

Sory Rich. At this time it is looking like the end. I have had a few replacement race directores in mind but nothing has panned out yet. If things take a turn for the better I will let everyone know.

[Wolfchimp]

Why don't you hand it off to The Route? I know you and Adam don't really see eye to eye but I would think he would be interested since he owns the only bike shop in town.

[gus man]

[quote=Wolfchimp;206896]Why don't you hand it off

There in lies part of the problem. Everybody that is interested in it thinks I should just give it away. I've worked very hard for this event and I have alot of time, money and equipment invested.

However there are several other issues that are factoring into this descission. This hasn't been an overnite thing. I've been debating this since last years event. Hopefully something can work out somewhere but as of this point nothing solid yet. I'll keep everyone posted.

[Wolfchimp]

I don't mean GIVE it to them. You would ask for compensation for the equipment and if they don't want it, you sell it. I am just saying you should hand off the responsibility to them. I know that you look at this race as your baby so you can't just let it die. There are many people that love that race...including me. I wish you luck.

[hockeynut]

Yeah... If I were a betting man I'd say that the Muddy River Rock and Roll will live on past this year. I'm not exactly certain what Gus is getting at about not "giving" the race away, but if he's not planning on having a race in 2008, my guess is that there is some way for another person/entity to step up if they want to.

I'd initially guess that Adam and the Route would be interested, but I know that they are big drivers behind some new trail being built in River Falls that I know Adam is hoping will be part of the WORS series (or some race series) eventually. He already puts on the Afton MNSCS race and some races out at the Badlands in Hudson, so maybe he'd be spread too thin?

Don't despair though. There's time, and we're starting to try and get more organized down here so odds are good we'll work something out.

Gus... get on that Poprad and quit scaring everyone.:p

[FarmerBEN]

gus, sad to hear that you are thinking of hanging it up, RW riders owe you so much,

OT would this weekend work to stop in and talk youth stuff, major crap has complicated my life, but hopefully we can figure something regardless, pm me

[rideharder]

just throwing another idea out there, the UofMN holds its home MTB bike race at redwing and also has a non collegiate race as a fundraiser so maybe if gus doesnt want to hold muddy river in early summer it could line up with the collegiate race and become a mega event. gus you should talk to maria stewart and andy rosch about this.

[Buck]

Yeah Gus!

Let's chat bro!

weRd.
Buck

[hockeynut]

OT would this weekend work to stop in and talk youth stuff, major crap has complicated my life, but hopefully we can figure something regardless, pm me

On the OT subject... if you're talking to Gus... carry on... I'll be around sometime Saturday and will probably be within a few miles of your place either Sat or Sunday as we ride to try and work out any pre-TI kinks. Don't know if I can add anything to any plans...

On topic a bit... Thanks to Gus for what he's done in RW. Many other people have had a hand in the trails, but Gus has been there from the beginning (or at least from the beginning of the official trails from what I've heard). I give him a hard time but that's mainly because of how poorly he climbs and how often he answers his cell phone while on a ride.

[FarmerBEN]

On the OT subject... if you're talking to Gus... carry on... I'll be around sometime Saturday and will probably be within a few miles of your place either Sat or Sunday as we ride to try and work out any pre-TI kinks. Don't know if I can add anything to any plans...

On topic a bit... Thanks to Gus for what he's done in RW. Many other people have had a hand in the trails, but Gus has been there from the beginning (or at least from the beginning of the official trails from what I've heard). I give him a hard time but that's mainly because of how poorly he climbs and how often he answers his cell phone while on a ride.

I personally think memorial rivals any trail in the state, but I think the most important thing Gus has built in RW is a tremendous relationship with the folks at the city, from my understanding he basically just explains what his intententions are and they seem to pretty much give him free reign. Hopefully our group can get a little of that, as Gus eases into trailboss retirement. (not to rush you gus)

[gus man]

Ben, Yeah call me you have my number.

[gus man]

Soon I'll post the new payout schedule for the Satuerday DH. Bigger is better. The more riders the higher the payout. Shooting for 60+ riders this year. Last year I had 16 and the U of M race had right around 50 so I think that is realistic goal.

Later, Gus :banana:

[Buck]

Soon I'll post the new payout schedule for the Satuerday DH. Bigger is better. The more riders the higher the payout. Shooting for 60+ riders this year. Last year I had 16 and the U of M race had right around 50 so I think that is realistic goal.

Later, Gus :banana:

Are you making flyers or anything? Gettin' 60 riders is realistic but have to start spreadin' da good werd now!!!

weRd!
Buck

[gus man]

Yes I will be working on theese this week. I plan to start sending them out 1st thing next week.

Gus
P.S. also posted on MTBR

[wildkona]

I'll be there. You can post on intermtb.com too for more riders to be aware...

[Wolfchimp]

I have a new ride coming so I may be racing in the DH instead of working it this year, but I can still help out when needed. Just let me know Gus.

[gus man]

I have a new ride coming so I may be racing in the DH instead of working it this year, but I can still help out when needed. Just let me know Gus.

What are you looking at? Nice to see you either way.

[gus man]

http://www.mnscs.com/page/show/4834

The pay out schedule is up. Check it out.

[Wolfchimp]

What are you looking at? Nice to see you either way.

Next time I am in RW I will bring it down. It should be showing up at my door sometime early next week. You'll see it soon enough.:D

[digit]

Let's not forget all of the hard work that Kris Henke put into Memorial along with Gus! Need to send huge props to Kris for organizing the Muddy too.

Gus, Di wants to ride with you next Sat. 5/12. You going to be around? E-mail me.

[gus man]

Let's not forget all of the hard work that Kris Henke put into Memorial along with Gus! Need to send huge props to Kris for organizing the Muddy too.

Gus, Di wants to ride with you next Sat. 5/12. You going to be around? E-mail me.


Good talking to you guys today. I'm on for the ride. Di, don't hurt me.

[bikebud]

Let's not forget all of the hard work that Kris Henke put into Memorial along with Gus! Need to send huge props to Kris for organizing the Muddy too.


Thanks for the pros Dave! It would be sad to see the MRR go away I have to admit. Hard to believe that all started 10 years ago with a few of us from the old Great River Racing club picking up trash in the park! I hope Gus can get some of the locals to step up and help to keep the race going.

Here's your chance to step up everyone!

Lookin for dirt in TN!
Kris

[hockeynut]

Here's your chance to step up everyone!

Howdy Kris! I have a sneaking suspicion that, though the name might be changed, there will still be a race (or races) up on Memorial (both XC and DH).

Off topic... how did the race you mentioned go a couple weekends ago?

Hope things are well.

[bikebud]

Hey Isaac! Glad to hear that racing will continue in some form on the best trails in the Midwest!

The 12 hour down here was unbelievable. I didn't race it this year but will be next year for sure! I got roped into course marshalling which was fine since my fitness is way off what I would have needed to compete. Tinker Juarez and Nat Ross put on quite a show. They each pulled off 12 laps in 12 hours; the laps were 10 miles each with 1500 ft of climb per lap! Neither stopped for more than 30 seconds the entire day!

The race director really created a festival atmosphere that reminded me of racing in the "good ole days" when everyone would just hang out for the day. Live music, good food, and freely flowing beer kept everyone in a great mood and the weather couldn't have been better. It was great for a 1st year event. The $15,000 in prize money/door prizes didn't hurt either!

They gave away Haro SS bikes, an Ellsworth frame, a Lynsky frame, multiple SRAM component groups, Hoss clothing, Tifosi eyewear, and on and on. It was unreal!

You need to get down here next year for it. It was fantastic!

Kris

[gus man]

But on a positive note. Did you see the mad cha-ching payout schedule for the DH race. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!. Bring you, your buddy, and there buddy.


D H race payout schedule.
20 riders & up =50% 3 deep 7%, 18%, 25%
60 riders & up =65% 3 deep 12%, 23%, 30%
100 riders & up =75% 3 deep 15%, 25%, 35%
200 riders & up =90% 3 deep 20%, 30%, 40%

At 59 riders, 1st place would take home $295. That is HUGE for a local level event!

[gus man]

I'm going out in style. It's back for all you XCers that like to mix it up with some style. That's right. "WHO'S YOUR DADDY?". 1 winner per class (excluding kids comp). Some huge sponsors have kicked in for this one.
:banana:

[gus man]

http://www.mnscs.com/page/show/10920

OOOOOH YAAAAAH

[gus man]

COURSE MAPS ARE POSTED ON MNSCS

http://www.mnscs.com/page/show/10566

ALSO, ALOT HAS BEEN ADDED SO BE SURE TO CHECK OUT ALL THE TABS TO GET THE LATEST DETAILS
:banana::crazy::sick::crazy2::crazybanana:

[Vert]

Is the Sport course the same as last year? I couldn't tell from the map if anything has changed.

[pokey]

I believe it's the same except the section north of the large, eastern most meadow. Normally that section is run in the standard direction, but this year, the course will go out into the meadow to almost the end of the section. Then it will run that section backwards all the way to the start. Then it will follow the double track around the outside (north side) of it. This is similar to how it was run 3 years ago.
The other change is sport riders now have to stop at the end of each lap and drink a beer (or 3 Red Bulls, if you aren't a beer drinker)

[gus man]

umm sure. added the uppder DH section just like the comp and exp. no log drop. 3 laps have fun

evrybody wang chung tonight

piece out

[gus man]

The other change is sport riders now have to stop at the end of each lap and drink a beer (or 3 Red Bulls, if you aren't a beer drinker)


And the laddies have to do the hookie pookie

[FarmerBEN]

umm sure. added the uppder DH section just like the comp and exp. no log drop. 3 laps have fun

evrybody wang chung tonight

piece out


correction: everyone save your wang/chung for the onsite camping race weekend

[gus man]

Ben, are you gonna be there for the camping thang?

[FarmerBEN]

I will be out there, I might even take the next morning off and stay over. I was just going to post a thread regarding a night group ride, maybe bizarro style. If we would start at 930 or 10ish we could do a lap and still have plenty of time for socializing/bonfire afterwards.

trail looks great you guys have really been putting in some hours up there, I wish my schedule would allow more time for trailwork (and biking, and many many other things) but I will have to treat you guys to pizza or something sometime.

[gus man]

Definately come out. Pizza sounds good just add beer.

[ibismojo2001]

How is the spectator viewing by the start/finish? My 2 and 4 yr old want to come watch.

[hockeynut]

The actual start/finish line isn't all that interesting, but not too far from it is some decent viewing. The "spin cycle" section (the first bit of singletrack where you go up and down a little gully a few times) is always pretty interesting. Lots of carnage last year.

[FarmerBEN]

How is the spectator viewing by the start/finish? My 2 and 4 yr old want to come watch.


one word earmuffs, although at that age maybe they are too young to understand the f-bomb

[gus man]

Just a little farther from spincycle section is a pretty good jump.

[calc]

Some signage directing spectators to the interesting sections may be helpful. It's a whole different perspective trying to direct someone walking to a section even after having ridden it. Just a suggestion to make the races more spectator friendly.

[pokey]

If you get a chance to come to Red Wing this weekend and ride the course before next weeks race, you will notice some of the banner and markings are already up. This should help direct you a few places where things may be confusing.

Please keep in mind that the park will likely be busy this weekend with non-bikers as it's a favorite spot in Red Wing for hikers and dog-walkers, especially the double track sections.

The track is quite dry and dusty. We didn't get any rain on Wednesday when everyone else got dumped on. Looking at the long term forecast, next weekend looks hot and dry with no rain between now and then. There will be a few spots on the trail where it's loose from being so dry, but for the most part the trails are fast and in great shape.

[gus man]

Portions of the course are tape. It should be farely easy to fallow. The remainder will be taped this week or next weekend. It is about 90% taoed.

[b_rogo]

Portions of the course are taped. It should be fairly easy to follow. The remainder will be taped this week or next weekend. It is about 90% taped.

Perhaps if you're familar with the trail it would be easy to follow. I printed up the basic map from the trail guide, along with the written description from the trail guide and took it with me today. My intent was to get a feel for what the trail is like in general rather than to follow the actual course since I've never ridden at Memorial before. I accomplished that goal, but there was quite a few sections of trail I could not figure out how to get to based on the trail guide. If my intent had been to follow the race course I may as well have ridden with my eyes closed. Not obvious to someone unfamiliar with the trail to begin with.

[gus man]

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=4287&size=big&cat=all&ppuser=496

This is the most current map. Between this and the taping It's pretty hard to get lost.

[b_rogo]

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=4287&size=big&cat=all&ppuser=496

This is the most current map. Between this and the taping It's pretty hard to get lost.

That's a MUCH better map than the pdf from the trail guide. Was that previously available somewhere??

[Vert]

Wow, wish I would have had the new map this morning. The barriers helped for some spots but other areas were anybody's guess. You have to really be looking for the entrance into the backwards section of singletrack, or you just keep riding to the spot where that loop eventually dumps out (that is, if I got that part right).

We skip the Log Drop (?) and pick up the techinical section that becomes the Upper DH section, yes? After the upper dh section, do we take a hard right at 5 Way or do we go straight then loop around, taking a left up Crosstown?

Then, coming up out of the Quarry after going up the little climb after the bridge, do we take Lay Down Sally (the upper line) or 2112?

I pretty much rode every combination, just wondering what the correct way is. Lots of other equally confused riders out there today, but it was a good day for some extra miles.:eyeroll:

[gus man]

No log drop. Loop out around 5 way. Lay Down Sally. Just not alot of vulunteers to man all the spots.

Current course maps on www.mnscs.com (http://www.mnscs.com)

[Vert]

No worries Gus. I wasn't complaining, just trying to figure it out. I had a blast riding all of the trails. I know how much work you've put into this. Pretty incredible to see how it has evolved over the years. Nice work, as always.

[gus man]

Latest updates.
http://www.mnscs.com/page/show/12877

[Vertigomotion]

What's up with the $15 service fee to pre-reg for this race??? It's cheaper to just wait til day of.

[Bobafett]

$1.50

[Vertigomotion]

$15.18

[gus man]

I got 2 calls on this today. 1st i've ever heard of this. Unfortunately I have no controll over this.

[ibismojo2001]

I think I'll wait to register.:D

[RedSquirrel]

I have an Active.com account and was charged $15 for CIT under 18yrs and $25 for Expert. The procesing fee for me as Active member was $2.40. My total bill for Jr.and I, xc races....$42. That's plenty cheaper than the day of price(higher) noted on mnscs.com (http://www.mnscs.com/page/show/4834) site. GOOD LUCK

active.com link for Red Wing Muddy River Race (http://www.active.com/event_detail.cfm?event_id=1437030)

From mnscs (http://www.mnscs.com/page/show/4834)
Sunday XC Pre Reg. Day Of

Kids Comp 9:00 am 1 lap $15.00 $20.00

Citizen 9:30 am 2 laps $18.00 $25.00

Sport 11:00 am 3 laps $22.00 $32.00

Comp 1:00 pm 4 laps $22.00 $32.00

Exp 1:00 pm 5 laps $25.00 $35.00

SYS Race 1:05 2 FREE FREE

If there really is a problem the coordinator who set up Active, can call about processing fees. They have sales reps & account agents to fix these things.

[HutchRider]

I registered my husband, daughter and myself on Sunday and only paid $3.36 total in processing fees.

[gus man]

Sorry for any inconvienence in fees but as I stated earlier I have no control over this issues. It sounds like a software glitch on actives part.

[RichZilla]

Yeah, I got the $15.18 proccessing fee also. I emailed their customer support team and they sent me this reply:

"Thank you for contacting Active.com.

The processing fee for this event is $1.08, not $15.18. If you are getting a different amount, please feel free to contact our customer support team."

I don't think they heard me the first time... when I got a different amount... and contacted their customer support team. Oh well. They must outsource their support to India like everyone else. My guess is, that only the Comp class online registration is messed up. All the others seem to be working properly. Has anyone registered for the Comp class and been charged the correct amount for proccessing fee?

I'm going to go through with the online registration and see if the amount changes at the very end of the transaction. If it doesn't, I'll call their 'customer support team' in the morning and get it straightened out.:hit:

[gus man]

I registered my husband, daughter and myself on Sunday and only paid $3.36 total in processing fees.


Yeah I don't get this at all. I spoke with 2 different active people today. One said $2 per person the other said $2 per useage meanging $2 if done at once.

[HutchRider]

Yeah I don't get this at all. I spoke with 2 different active people today. One said $2 per person the other said $2 per useage meanging $2 if done at once.

I have no idea either! All I know is every time I register for one of the events my processing fee is different. I do know that the more people and more events I register for at the same time the processing fee becomes less per person, so they must have some type of pro-rated system.

[RichZilla]

I just tried registering for the Sport class instead of the Comp class and the fees were correct for Sport. I deleted that entry and registered for Comp and the fee was still $15.18. I went through with the registration and I am calling them at 9am when they open. At least I have an email from their support team that says how much they are supposed to charge. Hopefully I will get my $14 back!?!:crazy:

[mill0298]

I'm superstitious. Preregistering for events results in dnfs for me. I don't do it anymore.

[Axis II]

I just tried an hour ago for comp. It's still charging the insane fee. I guess I'll do race day registration. Frustrating.:banghead:

[RichZilla]

Ok, I called them and they said they put it on high priority to get it fixed so that the fee is only $1 something. Check back in a little while to see if it's changed. Shouldn't take long. I was charged incorrectly, but they are refunding the difference.
Be not afraid!

[Axis II]

They work slow for "high priority." I just tried my third time. It's not fixed yet. I'll try tomorrow, I guess.

[RichZilla]

Yeah, me too. I already registered, but I've been trying it again to see if it changed yet. The dude on the phone made it sound like it would be taken care of in a couple hours at most!?!

If nothing else, just register and call them the next day to get your refund. They were very understanding and polite. All I had to give them was my email address and they straightened it all out. At least THAT part was easy!

[Vertigomotion]

They must have their chimps working on it.

Still not fixed...

[Koz]

Hey kids- anyone looking to split gas money out to the race Sunday? I live in downtown MPLS and am looking for a ride...let me know if ya can!

[OvertheBars]

Hey Koz, I might have room on my bike rack and an extra seat in the Jeep. Swinging through downtown is not a problem.

[b_rogo]

Beautiful, FAST course today guys. I'm super bummed I had a mechanical DNF, (broken BB spindle!?) 'cause the rigid 29er was railing the high-speed sweepers today. I'm diggin' the MNSCS scene more and more with each race.

[redpic]

This was a fantastic course, it was such a fun race! The event both Sat and Sunday where so well put together. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!

[V2Neal]

Nice job Dana!

I was just happy to finish, but it was only my first event, so I can only improve right? :cool:

[ninjanick]

I concur, I really enjoyed the citizen course. The climbing was all within my ability and yet the whole course still whopped my arse. Very nice.

[Nita]

I have never raced, and this was the first time riding down there so I didn't know one thing and even at the end I didn't know where I was supposed to finished until I saw the gate and people waving at me.

From a newbie perspective I was very much impressed at the volunteers who lined the trails shouting encouragement and clapping. Its amazing what that does for you when your legs are on fire and you can't breath.

There were plenty of patrol riders checking things out and the water people at the end of each lap I could have thrown gold coins at!

Registration by printing on line, times and directions plus more info made that part easy and the day of the race even though I was nervous, there was no pressure from anyone at the tents. It really was that organized.

Especially at the end of the race, a tub full of bottled water and one handed to you plus a banana! :banana: Yep, a banana! It was really a lot of fun!

[redpic]

Nice job Dana!

I was just happy to finish, but it was only my first event, so I can only improve right? :cool:

Hey Neal-

Thanks so much for the encouragement out there! I definately needed it. I think you did great! Thats awesome that this was your first event. Are you hooked yet?

[zaskar]

I would like to thank all those involved for a perfect day of racing. The course was great!!

Everything seemed to go smoothly and even though I declined the water on both laps thanks to those people who volunteered their time and all the other volunteers spread out offering encouragement.

I'll second the fun atmosphere of the MNSCS events! It seems like I always have other commitments that keep me from being able to enjoy the whole day out there and cheer on the other classes. But hopefully that will change in the future!!

Thanks for all the hard work!!

[Mo-Tay]

First and foremost, thanks to Gus and the entire crew that put on the race. I have been a little down on the MNSCS scene but this race is always great. I know it takes an incredible amount of time and energy to put this on and I just want to thank and acknowledge all the people, especially Gus, for doing this.

Your work is appreciated!

Great course as usual. That climb out of the Quarry is not pleasant and I never got close to getting up that. My legs locked up with cramping on the last lap on this climb but still got 3rd in the Gruppetto Class...my first "podium" ever!

[V2Neal]

Am I hooked? Hmmmm. Yeah, sure. I kinda got talked into this, and was cursing those responsable at the end of the first lap. But I really did enjoy it, and was glad I did it. Thanks Brian and Nick!

Also, BIG thanks to the organizers, workers, and sponsors! Water handed to you, splashed on you, and even shot at you! What more could a sweaty out-of-breath guy ask for? :cool:

[HutchRider]

Thanks Chris and all the volunteers and organizers who put on this race! It was great. The course was fun and challenging! Everything seemed to go soomthly. Great swag also!