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Burke
10-26-2006, 09:53 AM
I personally don't see both A) what a half-dozen people from outstate would truly be able to offer MORC and 2) what MORC would be able to offer us…

I'm not a member because I feel that until morc grows outstate my dues would just be going to support metro trails.

I wanted to discuss a little further a couple comments that popped up in the MORC's Focus thread.

They both related to MORC and its outstate operations.

Starting with the context
MORC began in the south Metro. The founders lived in that area, and naturally, took on projects close to home. As those successes materialized, others in the close proximity got involved and began looking for other projects. Soon, we had things going on in the south, mid and east Metro.

At a point a couple years ago, we realized that we were having enough success in the Metro, that we could leverage that success and knowledge with other projects and groups outstate.

We made a commitment to becoming a statewide organization and began developing a chapter handbook. The idea behind becoming statewide is that a single recognizable group is going to be more successful than many localized groups trying to gain legitimacy on their own. It's a model that has worked in other states and regions, and is one that we feel will work well in Minnesota.

Since then, the most visible successes we have had are still in the Metro, but that's because we're 8 years into the "Metro Project" and only a little over a year into expanding our operations outstate.

MORC's Outstate Involvement
Grand Rapids
Were approached by the Grand Rapids mountain bike group about forming a club to build trail. Brandon Parr, Kurt Lange and I went up and visited with them and discussed their interests and protential projects. They have since formed the Mesabi Mountain Bikers chapter of MORC. We have assisted them with drafting a proposal to the county and city about mountain bike trail development. We are also sending Tim Wegner up to assist in laying out a singletrack proposal in November. Mesabi Mountain Bikers will be taking part in the annual MORC Strategic Planning Meeting this November, and will participate in MORC's budgeting process. They need tools to build trail, and will in all likelihood receive funding to purchase tools.

BLAST
MORC reached out to BLAST at last year's Strategic Planning Meeting and invited them to attend to help shape the direction of MORC's coming year. They took us up on the offer and helped plan last year's emphasis. Since then, they have become our third chapter and will be participating in the upcoming planning meeting and budgeting process. MORC (metro) is also devoting time to figuring out what is happening with Camp Manitou in the interest of preserving it as a mountain bike trail after any potential land owner changes take place.

Marshall
Two years ago, MORC was approached by a group in Marshall about developing trails in Camden State Park. We sent Erik Gerrits and Tim Wegner out to meet them and check out the park for potential. We were very impressed by the park and by the professional behavior of the group. We then invited them to attend the IMBA TCC visit at Steeplechase, which they took us up on. The assistant park manager also attended the TCC visit. Since then, we have been back to Marshall to give presentations to the mid level DNR managers about putting trail in and were successful in getting the approval for singletrack re-routes around eroding doubletrack while the master plan for a singletrack trail was being developed. The group in Marshall has a standing invite to become a chapter and to participate in the planning and budgeting process

MN Dept of Natural Resources (DNR) / State Parks
A couple years back, we approached the new director of the state parks system about putting in mountain bike singletrack trails in the state park system. He arranged a presentation where we spoke to him and some of his park managers. After the presentation, he said "we're doing mountain biking, and this is the group we're doing it with". Since then, we've had inquiries from various parks about putting in singletrack trail systems. We are still pursuing many of these inquiries.

The DNR is in the process of publishing a Natural Surfaces Trail Building Guidelines book. The book borrows heavily from IMBA's Trail Solutions, and includes 20+ pictures of features and stunts at Lebanon Hills as examples of how to build singletrack in MN State Parks. <---THIS IS HUGE--- I wager that in 5-10 years, we will have many state parks with singletrack trail systems in them.

Tim Wegner devotes a large portion of his advocacy efforts to making the relationship with the DNR work. When it's all comes to fruition, he'll be the one we can stop and thank.

Cuyuna State Recreation Area
This rec area outside of Brainerd is on the table because of the meeting we had with the director of state parks. It's a 5000 acre area with no real user group. They want mountain bikes in it. We have secured $600,000 in federal funds to build 30-40 miles of singletrack and build modern campgrounds with heated showers on site. We're trying, with IMBA's help, to track down $125,000 in matching funds needed for this to become a reality. If you've got any ideas, let us know...

Cuyuna Mountain Bikers
We have been approached by enthusiastic mountain bikers in the Cuyuna area about being the "on the ground" group that supports the Cuyuna SRA project, as well as other local mountain bike projects. We're still discussing things with them.

Steeplechase / Rochester Active Sports Club (RASC)
We partnered with RASC to bring IMBA to Steeplechase to put on an advanced trail school. We also had many MORC members go down to Steeplechase during the school to help build the downhill trail. Adam Buck spent considerable time after the school working on the trail.

We have discussed the future with RASC, and they will remain an affiliate of ours and are invited to attend and participate in our Strategic Planning Meetings.

Duluth
Adam Buck has spent many hours working with Spirit Mountain about developing the ski area as a lift assisted mountain bike destination. It's a project still in the works.

We have approached COGGS to see what their interest is in working closely together in developing more mountain bike opportunities in the Duluth area. They have not bothered to return any of the emails I've sent them.

Red Wing
I've chatted with Chris about MORC getting involved with the Red Wing group and chapter possibilities. He's been interested to continue the conversation, I've just dropped the ball in following up.

We also had a land owner approach us about 40 acres of property she had. She wanted MORC to develop it into a mountain bike trail system just outside of Red Wing. The Metro couldn't take her up on this opportunity because of the lack of members in the area that could take on this project and make it a long term success.

Minnesota Recreational Trail Users' Association (MRTUA)
MRTUA is the advisory board to the DNR that provides recommendations where the DNR should allocate it's $1.5m annual allocation in federal trail funds. MORC lobbied hard to get a seat in this board and two years ago we were successful in getting included. Since then, we have participated in the grant review process and allocated $75,000+ in funds to mountain bike projects. We have also taught the 9 other user groups that mowed doubletrack doesn't constitute "mountain bike trail".

The Future
Our future as an organization is to become the recognized voice of mountain biking throughout Minnesota. Land managers in the Metro are now approaching us about developing mountain bike trails in their parks. We used to have to fight tooth and nail to get in, now they're coming to us. This success can be spread throughout the state, and it will. We all need to participate. The Metro can't viably be the on-the-ground group that makes all outstate projects happen. We can assist as much as possible, and our shared voice and strength in numbers makes it all that much easier.

Your Input
We've tried including everyone in setting our direction. If we have missed a key area, speak up. We're not trying to be exclusive.

So I turn it back to the forum. Is this the right direction to be heading and how else can we support the development of mountain bike opportunities in the outstate region?

Scott

gopherhockey
10-26-2006, 10:43 AM
Great post Scott. Thanks for pulling all this information together!

One thing I'd like to see are more of the benefits to be realized by working together.. everything from strength in numbers to the web site to tool sharing etc. Just because people don't physically travel to help each other do trail work doesn't mean there isn't support and benefit to be had. This goes both ways, of course.

I'll see if I can come up with a list.

bigwheel
10-26-2006, 10:58 AM
Wow! It's not until you see it all in one place that you realize the incredible things that this organization has done and continues to do.

Scott (and many others), Thanks for keeping an eye on the big picture, and making it all happen. I am amazed at how much thought and hard work that you guys (and gals) put in. I'm proud to be part of this organization.

Is this the right direction to be heading

You certainly made a convincing argument.

Ablumke
10-26-2006, 11:01 AM
I've been a financial and work supporter of MORC and Blast events over the past 7 years. I utilize the trails and attend events anywhere in Minnesota and I'm very glad to help out. I was wondering if any partnering with St. Cloud Organizations has been done or talked about? I did not see that on the list of outstate org's.

Also a section for St. Cloud trails, riders and organization could be a benefit to this site. I know that the group responsible for organizing the races and trail work in St. Cloud could probably benefit greatly from the tools, audience and opportunitties that this website can offer.

Buck
10-26-2006, 11:07 AM
I think that more information about all this stuff needs to relayed onto the website. if it is already we should figure out a better way maybe??? My guess is alot people here in the Metro have no idea what we are doing in greater MN.

2nd we gotta give HUGE props to Tim on the Cuyuna project cuz its gonna be siiiiic!!!!!

L8Rz
Buck

Burke
10-26-2006, 11:28 AM
I've been a financial and work supporter of MORC and Blast events over the past 7 years. I utilize the trails and attend events anywhere in Minnesota and I'm very glad to help out. I was wondering if any partnering with St. Cloud Organizations has been done or talked about? I did not see that on the list of outstate org's.

Also a section for St. Cloud trails, riders and organization could be a benefit to this site. I know that the group responsible for organizing the races and trail work in St. Cloud could probably benefit greatly from the tools, audience and opportunitties that this website can offer.
Excellent point. St. Cloud has been on the radar, but we haven't started working with the crew there. I've included Kyia on a couple emails lately, but that's the extent. Do you know if she's the best person to contact?

John, could you make sure that the St. Cloud Jail Trail has a forum spot.

Scott

Buck
10-26-2006, 11:35 AM
Excellent point. St. Cloud has been on the radar, but we haven't started working with the crew there. I've included Kyia on a couple emails lately, but that's the extent. Do you know if she's the best person to contact?

John, could you make sure that the St. Cloud Jail Trail has a forum spot.

Scott

Might want to get in touch with Mike Schroeder. He used to work at a shop up there that just closed not to long ago but he is well connected to the scene in that area. (or so I am told :confused: )

L8Rz
Buck

gopherhockey
10-26-2006, 11:46 AM
John, could you make sure that the St. Cloud Jail Trail has a forum spot.

Scott

Good timing, I actually created this one yesterday as well as a photo area specific to that trail.

TML
10-26-2006, 12:03 PM
Good timing, I actually created this one yesterday as well as a photo area specific to that trail.

And I just posted some photos in it!

dave t
10-26-2006, 01:05 PM
We have secured $600,000 in federal funds to build 30-40 miles of singletrack and build modern campgrounds with heated showers on site. We're trying, with IMBA's help, to track down $125,000 in matching funds needed for this to become a reality. If you've got any ideas, let us know...

Have any of the big bike companies been contacted about possible donation? Maybe for naming rights to a trail section?

TrailPatrol
10-26-2006, 01:51 PM
If I could add a bit to this section, the Backcountry Trail Patrol Association was one of the first affiliate members of MORC. The Patrol has been working in the Chippewa National Forest (Grand Rapids Area) since 2000, to expand interest and improve upon the existing trails on the National Forest. In addition to patrol, we have done trail maintenance, mapped some new or bypass sections to existing trails and developed a bike/hike/ski-in backcountry campsite in the Simpson Creek area, and undertaken publicizing the trails there. Simpson is one of three areas, (also Trout Lake and Suomi Hills trails) where we have been active on the Chippewa. Unfortunately, at this time there is a new Forest Supervisor, and a new District Ranger in the Deer River District where we work, with a resulting staff shift, so we are almost to the point of having to re-sell the whole concept to the agency. This has taken a lower priority since the extension of our involvement on the Chequamegon/Nicolet National Forest and the CAMBA trail system this past summer.

In the Superior National Forest, we did the initial mapping, assessment and marking for established trails in the Tofte district back in 2002, and also some work in the Kiawishiwi (Ely) District. There is a small but growing MTB/advocacy community in Tofte, Grand Marais and Ely who has taken the lead in projects including the Sugarbush and Dunkas River trails, although we stand ready to help when and where needed. We have continually urged these advocates to become active in IMBA and MORC, and to keep the biking community informed about their needs and progress. The Superior has new staffers who have moved to Minnesota from the Moab and Ogden, UT areas, one of whom is leading the Dunkas River trails project. so there is a new interest in mountain biking in the very BWCA/canoe-oriented National Forest.

Our MOU with Wisconsin's Chequamegon National Forest has effectively brought an end to our efforts to serve as both an advocacy and patrol group, and we have returned to our primary function as a NMBP patrol during the past summer. Our patrollers in the Grand Rapids/Deer River area have been urged to become active with the Mesabi group, and we are hoping to get a new patrol going in the Ely area in the spring. Although we will not be doing nearly as much advocacy as we have done in the Chippewa, the Backcountry Patrol will continue to work with MORC, COGGS, Mesabi and CAMBA, the US Forest Service and the MN DNR for the good of backcountry trails across the area.

Ride safe,
Hans Erdman
Director
Backcountry Trail Patrol Association, Inc.

hockeynut
10-26-2006, 05:20 PM
I wanted to discuss a little further a couple comments that popped up in the MORC's Focus thread.

...... everything that was sweet....

Scott

Thanks for the detailed description Scott. As an out-stater I appreciated seeing all of the things MORC is working on. I know it's not just a metro thing, but this forum becomes one just because of the sheer make-up of the posters (and this forum/website is MORC's sounding board).

This just reaffirms my decision to be a member of MORC. When things need to be worked on on some of those out-state projects I'll be there to lend a hand/voice/etc. My car gets good gas mileage.

Isaac

Burke
10-26-2006, 07:08 PM
Thanks for the detailed description Scott. As an out-stater I appreciated seeing all of the things MORC is working on. I know it's not just a metro thing, but this forum becomes one just because of the sheer make-up of the posters (and this forum/website is MORC's sounding board).
Thanks for the words, Isaac. In all fairness, as a board, we don't do the world's best job keeping everyone in the loop as to what we're fully up to.

John Lundell keeps hounding us about doing this better, but as of yet, he hasn't had a major breakthrough.

Scott

FarmerBEN
10-27-2006, 11:14 AM
I was an outstate detractor, and my only point with that was I would work with a local grassroots level org. outstate has much potential that hasn't been taken advantage of (through no fault of morc) but if we can establish a core group of motivated riders in an area it will be easier to gain some momentum in those areas. thanks for the list of outstate activity my morc knowledge come primarily from the forums and most attention there is metro related. BTW where from red wing is that piece of land? Not that I need to know just being noisey, I would be happy to help out if you can get something worked out with her....

Burke
10-27-2006, 11:24 AM
I'm trying to remember, but am drawing a blank on where the land was. We never got really far into the discussion.

Jeff R
10-27-2006, 12:21 PM
I just wanted to say thanks to MORC for the great website and forums. Also, thanks for this thread about outstate happenings. I had done some riding on trails around Rochester for a couple years, but it wasn't until IMBA came to Steeplechase last spring and we started building our singletrack that I got hooked on this great sport. I've since joined RASC & MORC and ridden many trails around the state to get a feel for the many types of fun trails out there. This past week I added Memorial, Jail Trail, and Milaca to my "ridden" list and had a blast on them all. I know MORC and its members have been involved with all of them. So, kudos to MORC...and I look forward to doing my part building, maintaining and advocating, etc.

BTW: This is the last weekend Steeplechase is open (before deer season starts next Saturday)...so if you're looking for a last minute road trip/ride, come on down!