New Duluth trail

[DM_rider]

deleted to prevent conflict...

[ignote]

Nice - looks like fun! ('cept the endo, lol.)
Cool video, too. :)

[Buck]

Hahaha, werd Alex

Nicely put together, trails looks fun and fast!

L8Rz
Buck

[toyota200x]

Cool vid. I love DH riding.

[mtnbykr]

A new trail made by.....

i'd assume this is on public land?? no wonder why the city thinks so "highly" of mountain bikers.

[DM_rider]

i'd assume this is on public land?? no wonder why the city thinks so "highly" of mountain bikers.


this trail is built back where there are TONS of atv trails. I highly doubt one tiny mountain bike trail is gonna piss the city off.

[mtnbykr]

I highly doubt one tiny mountain bike trail is gonna piss the city off.

then why didn't you go thru the proper channels to make it a legal trail??

and why piss off those of us that work hard to keep mountain bikers legit in the eyes of the city??

kl

[DM_rider]

then why didn't you go thru the proper channels to make it a legal trail??

and why piss off those of us that work hard to keep mountain bikers legit in the eyes of the city??

kl


whoa hold on there, we're not trying to piss anyone off. I guess they took down some stuff because the superior hiking trail is going to be going through the woods where the trail is. I don't know a whole lot about it at all, I didn't even help make it. Just because we don't ride XC doesn't mean we don't want what's best for the mountain biking community. We're just trying to expand the freeriding scene in MN. The trail was made properly and nothing was destroyed or disturbed to make it. I bet if this was an XC trail we wouldn't get crap about it...

just joking of course...

[MickUZE]

How do you find this trail or is it a hidden secret?

peace
uze

[DM_rider]

How do you find this trail or is it a hidden secret?

peace
uze

right now it's a secret :D

[Buck]

then why didn't you go thru the proper channels to make it a legal trail??

and why piss off those of us that work hard to keep mountain bikers legit in the eyes of the city??

kl

What project you are working on with Duluth?


L8Rz
Buck

[martini]

Nice. This is about as smart as the Freeride hicksters down in NC posting a new trail(illegal, on Nat'l forest land) and inviting all to attend it's 'opening'. You told who built it and genrerally where it is. Don't cry when you get busted.

Does look fun though.

[Buck]

All right, you don't even know all the details about the trail(s) on spirit.

I recieved permission last spring to construct two gravity fed trails on Spirit Mtn. One was putting the DH course into the woods, and this summer will be spent bringing the other half of that back up to IMBA standard.(We didn't build that part and it is in rough shape) The other was to let the true locals do some stuff of their own construction. This is what they decided to do.

So as usual, everyone here just decides to assume they are illegal trails...sad sad sad. Before you bark at people find out the details.


L8Rz
Buck

[mtnbykr]

What project you are working on with Duluth?
Buck

i've been working w/ the city to keep the trails we've been riding on for years open/legal. things like this just defeat our cause.

kl

[mtnbykr]

So as usual, everyone here just decides to assume they are illegal trails...sad sad sad. Before you bark at people find out the details.
Buck

looks like i get to bark cuz i'm the big dog...

i'm on the city task force that reviews requests to build new trails and gives that request a yah or nay and we haven't had any proposals to build a new freeride trail on city-owned land [not counting spirit mtn cuz they're on their own..], i'd say, if this trail is built on city [not spirit mtn] property, it's illegal.

the atv argument don't work either. atvs are illegal in the city limits already. do you want mtb to go the same way?? it can happen.

pulling the "xc" card doesn't work either. you're in the same boat as the rider who thinks it's ok to "improve" deer trails in a certain city park and ride them.
it's not ok...


this will be my last post on this. i'm really tired of fighting w/ mountainbikers. seems like that's all i do. this ****t gets really old really fast.

i'm out...

kl

[DM_rider]

I'm curious as what new trails we have here in Duluth, because new trails are always good... I'm also interested in what projects you've been working on Kurt, to progress the biking scene in Duluth. I never really hear much about new trails here, maybe I'm just not looking in the right place?

[manual63]

The trails Kurt, and others, have been working on are really good trails and quite technical. They are not DH trails, but very technical XC trails with lots of rocks and fun stuff.

I know what freeriders are going through. It's like when we wanted a BMX jumping area in the 80's and 90's. We always built them in some city woods somewhere and some still exist. BMX doesn't have a MORC supporting it, so I don't think things have changed much. But freeriders can leverage the powers of MORC and work with the cities to make legal trail, but it takes time, effort, and patience. And yeah, sometimes a city will just say no. I suggest freeriders start getting with the program and take advantage of the tools and people at their disposal that are willing to help them, rather than fight and argue all the time.

It's up to you to do things the right way. People like Kurt are just voicing their opinions and frustrations because they put a lot of time and work into the trails they have and into getting the city to legalize them. So when any mountain biker XC or Freeride, comes in and makes an illegal trail, it harms the cause and makes ALL mountain bikers look bad. Cities and most people don't distiguish the difference between freeriders and XC riders, it's all mountain bikers to them. So stop playing the stupid XC riders are against freeriders card, because they are not.

I do both and want XC trails, technical freeride trails, dirt jumps, and downhill. We are all in this together.

[Matthew]

Kurt sounds like he's got a really good attitude! An IMBA rep who says he spends his time fighting with mountain bikers, wow, glad he's out there representing us.

[stefan]

Kurt sounds like he's got a really good attitude! An IMBA rep who says he spends his time fighting with mountain bikers, wow, glad he's out there representing us.

You're lucky Kurt has stepped up and is making sure that the biking scene around Duluth can even exist. If you don't like it, maybe you should get involved and provide some input, rather than just sit back and criticize other people's efforts.

-Stefan

[Buck]

If you don't like it, maybe you should get involved and provide some input, rather than just sit back and criticize other people's efforts.

-Stefan

Matt is one of the key builders at Steeple Chase. So my bet is he puts in more trail building and advocating time then 90% of the people who write on these forums.


L8Rz
Buck

[SpecHR55]

BMX doesn't have a MORC supporting it...


www.MNBMX.com (http://www.MNBMX.com) I think supports some trails, DJ's, and i know they support parks.

peace

[mara]

Advocate criticizing advocate, what a novel and useful way to spend our time. If I were new to the MORC site or if I were a land manager involved with MORC, I would be heartened to see the respect with which mountain biking's best leaders treat each other.

[manual63]

www.MNBMX.com (http://www.MNBMX.com) I think supports some trails, DJ's, and i know they support parks.

peace

Wow, cool. Thanks for the info.

[manual63]

So my bet is he puts in more trail building and advocating time then 90% of the people who write on these forums.
Now there is a bold statement. I think making a statement like this is just looking for a fight. Glad you are really using your head before you post......banana for that one.....:banana:

Let's just go out and insult 90% of the people who post on the forums.....shall we.

[Buck]

maybe I am looking for a fight. :jumpy:

L8Rz
Buck

[stefan]

I guess I was just trying to point out that all it does is hurt progress when people criticize each other's quotes out of context. Save the conflict and the head-butts for times when we need it, like trying to score new places to build trail. We'll get a lot more done a lot sooner if we all work together!

[Matthew]

I wasn't trying to start anything too big, or to criticize anyone who is a legitimate advocate for mountain bikers, but anyone who calls himself "the big dog" sounds like an A** hole to me.

[manual63]

I guess I was just trying to point out that all it does is hurt progress when people criticize each other's quotes out of context. Save the conflict and the head-butts for times when we need it, like trying to score new places to build trail. We'll get a lot more done a lot sooner if we all work together!

Exactly! And this is especially true for MORC Board members, IMBA Reps and so on. We all have the same goals, so we need to work together to accomplish them.

[DM_rider]

wow, I can't believe one small trail can cause everyone to get so bent out of shape...

[SpecHR55]

wow, I can't believe one small trail can cause everyone to get so bent out of shape...

Haha remember when i rode that sound barrier and that wall thing? yeah that made some serious controversy.

There the same thing

[Bighit]

I wasn't trying to start anything too big, or to criticize anyone who is a legitimate advocate for mountain bikers, but anyone who calls himself "the big dog" sounds like an A** hole to me.

Glad you said it for me Matt. maybe if "The Big Dog" TASKED himself to make trails that didn't suck people wouldn't have to make there own. How many times have you said to yourself. "let's go ride the trails in Duluth"? Never, unless someone was talking about Bucks dh trail @ spirit. My point is amongst people I know (plenty of xc as well as dh) they would only drive that far to ride Spirit, not the xc trails of the area. Someone might as well push the envelope and wake some people up. last point- how many "riding towns" in the U.S. have that kind of elevation and so little cool downhill style trails? If I was a trail rep of that area I wouldn't do any bragging. Now if you were in the Metro that's a diff. story.

[Bighit]

Now there is a bold statement. I think making a statement like this is just looking for a fight. Glad you are really using your head before you post......banana for that one.....:banana:

Let's just go out and insult 90% of the people who post on the forums.....shall we.


Just look at all the disinformation here.

[DM_rider]

lets just let this go...

[ryno lite]

Glad you said it for me Matt. maybe if "The Big Dog" TASKED himself to make trails that didn't suck people wouldn't have to make there own. How many times have you said to yourself. "let's go ride the trails in Duluth"? Never, unless someone was talking about Bucks dh trail @ spirit. My point is amongst people I know (plenty of xc as well as dh) they would only drive that far to ride Spirit, not the xc trails of the area. Someone might as well push the envelope and wake some people up. last point- how many "riding towns" in the U.S. have that kind of elevation and so little cool downhill style trails? If I was a trail rep of that area I wouldn't do any bragging. Now if you were in the Metro that's a diff. story.

Big talk for a guy who can't even identify himself and his location like the rest of us on the forums. You don't know how much work people are putting into advocacy for trails up in Duluth so you shouldn't be ripping him. He's doing more than anyone else in the Duluth area. If you guys want more trails (X-country and DH), you have to stay united and work together! The reason there aren't enough trails up there is because not enough bikers get together to advocate for, build and maintain trails. You need to work together. In my opinion, Duluth riders need to unite, start their own MORC chapter and start to improve things up there. It will take time and you can't get frustrated. If the Duluth area does it right, you will eventually have legal and sustainable XC and DH trails for years to come. It will take time, so get organized and be patient!

[DM_rider]

ok... lets just let this die down...

[Aaron]

This is DISAPOINTING.... I was hoping to see the footage... I have some editing that i started, but still short.

[FSSS]

ok... lets just let this die down...

I think since you started the thread you have the ability to lock/close the thread. Under "edit post" or "thread tools" maybe????

[DM_rider]

I think since you started the thread you have the ability to lock/close the thread. Under "edit post" or "thread tools" maybe????

mods can only lock and delete threads, at least that's the way it is on every other forum. We'll just let the thread slip away.