Which trail is better?

[Trevize1138]

Please vote in this fair, unbiased poll.

[tedsti]

Why even bother with a poll, we all know that Leb is the best. You are just setting yourself up for failure.

[Trevize1138]

Crap, I forgot to ennumerate the poll so we can see who voted for Lebanon and put them on "the list."

[LightWeight]

Neither... Everyone knows that Terrace owns all!

[Kosk]

Hmm, I think this poll needs a thrid option "neither".

Theo lacks technical features (as of now), and any wide-open-put-the-hammer-down-and-haul-a$$ sections.

Leb is plagued by log crossings, so many log crossings, ackk!! Here and there is cool, but every 2 bike lengths just gets annoying.

I'm just a hater.





Both trails rock the house.:cheesy:

[manual63]

Leb is plagued by log crossings, so many log crossings, ackk!! Here and there is cool, but every 2 bike lengths just gets annoying.
You just have no skillz.....:p

I like some of the log sections at Leb. Like the one not too far after you get into the X-Loop. The first one has a big rock on the back, with one immediately after that. Then you do a little climb and left turn, hop and downside the next log ride into the quick little down hill. The last long log pile, just treat that sucker like a small table top. That is one of my favorite Leb sections.

Hey John, since you will be reading this....:), do you need some work on the table in the XX-Loop, I have been meaning to want to come out there and fix that and make it a bit smoother.

[FSSS]

Your days are numbered...

;)

[Matthew]

theo takes all of 18 minutes to ride the whole loop. leb is longer and a little harder. Elk river kicks them both.

[berrywise]

Leb is plagued by log crossings, so many log crossings, ackk!! Here and there is cool, but every 2 bike lengths just gets annoying.



First off I love to ride Leb, totally appreciate all the hard work that goes into creating it and keeping it maintained but yeah the log crossings are just over the top for me. It's the one thing that bugs me about the trail. Log crossings are like speed bumps. Problem is there are a ton of speed bumps where ya don't really need em. It's like a painting, you just want to keep addings things to make it better but in the end you find out them sometimes more is not always better.

I can't speak to Theo has I have never even ridden it. This East side guy needs a tour guide this summer me thinks!

[Panman]

theo takes all of 18 minutes to ride the whole loop. leb is longer and a little harder. Elk river kicks them both. I agree, where is the Hillside option?

[Tex]

I refuse to participate in this lame poll.

[tedsti]

Shhh!!!! Leb gets angry when people complain about the log crossings. It has even been known to be vindictive and add more just out of spite.

Leb is plagued by log crossings, so many log crossings, ackk!! Here and there is cool, but every 2 bike lengths just gets annoying.

[stoneage]

theo takes all of 18 minutes to ride the whole loop. leb is longer and a little harder. Elk river kicks them both.
Why does it take so long??

[Kosk]

You just have no skillz.....:p

I like some of the log sections at Leb. Like the one not too far after you get into the X-Loop. The first one has a big rock on the back, with one immediately after that. Then you do a little climb and left turn, hop and downside the next log ride into the quick little down hill. The last long log pile, just treat that sucker like a small table top. That is one of my favorite Leb sections.
I have plenty of skills, and yes that section is one of my favorites too, those two on the decsent are drops in my book not log crossings.... I'm talking about other places....

[manual63]

I have plenty of skills

I know you have skills. Both riding and being cool skills.......:)

[Kosk]

Elk river kicks them both.
Don't get me started on Hillside!! Worst flow ever! You climb, climb, climb, barf up a lung at the top, think you are going to get rewarded with a nice swoopy down hill...NOT...instead - hair pin turn, fist full of brake, all momentum lost, start climbing again from a dead stop. So frustrating, can't build any rythmn or flow. They should have stretched it out a little and built 4 or 5 miles of trail instead of twisting it into the 7 or whatever it is. But, hey, it is one of the best trails to ride to get in shape, and get your but kicked! If you like climbing, and don't care about getting any DH flow out of it, hillside rocks.

Like I said, I'm just a hater.


(Though there may be some true feeling behind my opinions in this thread, I hope people realize I'm also kidding around a little. I really like all our local trails, and am very greatful we have them.....expect for the 'bottoms, don't get me started on that freeway.....:crazy: ...i kid, i kid!)

[Adam Hjelle]

I vote Hillside!

[Ish]

yes that section is one of my favorites too, those two on the decsent are drops in my book not log crossings.... I'm talking about other places....

Like the ones after the teeter and rock garden in the XX? You gotta love those for the simple fact that it annoys soupboy and his 29er!!!!

[bike>>rider]

Hillside, or Theo, or Leb - it's all good.

I think of Hillside as kind of like Theo on steroids -- same sort of through the woods feel but about 10x the climbing and a lot longer, but not as tight (as in closely-spaced trees/handlebar grabbers). Haven't been to Leb in a long time but this is the summer I hit up all the MORC trails within 50 miles of the metro, and I'm sure Leb will be a repeat offender.

The main thing is that it is so GREAT!! to have so many good riding options -- thanks to MORC for everything!

[Buck]

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Get's my vote!
hahahaha

L8Rz
Buck

[soupboy]

I voted Leb, but the fact I can ride Theo from my garage makes a big difference in frequency.

[viv]

Come now, If your gonna insult the guy...please stick with it. You Leb guys are soft.

[manual63]

Theo Wirth is better because it has more interesting sight seeing. Like over by the lake and the open field....you can see a lot of VERY interesting things sometimes.....and Leb will never have that....so there....:p

[jitterjepp]

Why does it take so long??
Maybe he got lost OR he takes a spin by the beach.:crazy2:

[gopherhockey]

I don't know why we're so arrogant that we only include these two trails, but here is my take on it.

Lebanon Hills has been MORCs flagship trail from as long as I can remember. It has been the springboard that got a lot of our other efforts going. Many (but not all) other projects have Lebanon to thank, as does MORC as a whole. That is something no other trail will ever have.

As for effort and people, they are both equal. Theo had much more activity last year, but Lebanon has a long history and head start.

Leb only has 80 acres (currently) to work with, so expansion and improvement won't expand much beyond where it is today. Because of this I would expect many other trails to become more popular. Judging by traffic alone I would say that its no contest still on a popularity scale.

I suspect Leb will not always win or be the most popular. I actually look forward to the day when riders are attracted more to other trails... thats a good thing for more reasons than are worth typing out here.

If I throw out the whole local trail and that I've worked at Leb and vote strictly on my enjoyment it would still be Leb hands down... at least right now. I think Theo has a lot of potential. I don't yet think that Theo is even second best as far as meto trails go... and I'm not convinced that Leb is necessarily #1 either. I also think a project like Murphy has the potential to make both trails look average. (I hope!)

Overall I don't appreciate this type of comparison. There are a lot of people who have put in a lot of effort on all our trails and to pick one or two and try put them above the rest I think does more harm than good.. even if its just in fun. I think we need to be careful with this type of thing going forward, especially as we have a division between a MOCA and MORC local chapter. Fun can turn into hurt feelings which can divide us... to be honest I'm already annoyed by the constant comparisons (even joking) between these trails, which frankly shouldn't even be listed together alone.

[Kosk]

I don't know why we're so arrogant that we only include these two trails......
It's all Chris D's fault. Leave it to him to start a flame-fest and then leave and go riding..... punk.

[gopherhockey]

It's all Chris D's fault. Leave it to him to start a flame-fest and then leave and go riding..... punk.

... and I bet he said he was going to Theo but actually went over to Leb. ;)

[gopherhockey]

Hey John, since you will be reading this....:), do you need some work on the table in the XX-Loop, I have been meaning to want to come out there and fix that and make it a bit smoother.

Actually yes, we do need help. The table isn't as fun as it used to be... it really could use some shaping. We are also thinking about building the double table jump after the existing one and could use some help on that one too.

[Danimal]

Theo Wirth is better because it has more interesting sight seeing. Like over by the lake and the open field....you can see a lot of VERY interesting things sometimes.....and Leb will never have that....so there....:p

Ahh yes, but who wants to see 80 year old men skinny dipping :) Why... at Lebanon I once saw 2 deer going at it.

[Trevize1138]

Somebody re-worded my poll! Now the wording is unfairly biased toward Lebanon as the poll results show. The original wording I had was a much more scientific way to find the truth. :mad:

[Ish]

Somebody re-worded my poll! Now the wording is unfairly biased toward Lebanon as the poll results show. The original wording I had was a much more scientific way to find the truth. :mad:

yea - and you voted for Theo 6 times!!!

[manual63]

Somebody re-worded my poll!
I didn't do it, you will have to blame John....:)

I took this thread as being all in all fun. I honestly don't think anyone feels bad about what is being said here or takes it very seriously. All MORC trails, and some non-MORC trails are great trails. I think most people do believe Leb is probably the best trail, it has been around awhile and has all what is needed. A beginner loop, Intermediate loop, X-Loop, and XX-Loop. It's also got a good distance to it.

Theo is a great trail and of course we are excited to have such a place right in the city that many can ride to. It will get more developed over time and become a really great trail too.

All trails have their goods and their bads. I like Hillside, but it's a bit sandy and they took out the cool tree the was crossing the trail that most riders could not make it over......see avatar....so I don't like Hillside anymore....:D

[Tim Wegner]

I have to agree with JohnL on this one. Both trails are great, they each have their own personalities. I voted for Murphy and Cuyuna as the greatest trails!!! Ya gotta see both areas and then let your imagination run wild.

When I had Adam up at Cuyuna he was so excited he had a seizure. (maybe that is just the way you act when you have had 10 red bulls before breakfast) So I am excited about all the activity that is goin on for trails. I am predicting that within3 years we will be scoring an A on the IMBA polls.

Tim

[Tex]

Okay, now the question has been re-worded and it's even worse. Which trail is superior? I thought the Superior Trail was only for hiking? :D

http://www.shta.org/

[gopherhockey]

Just be glad that Shad and I don't abuse our powers and up the vote totals... it can be done! ;)

[manual63]

Just be glad that Shad and I don't abuse our powers and up the vote totals... it can be done! ;)

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Trevize1138]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Thanks for reversing the poll count FIXING John no doubt did, Shad. The current figures look a lot more realistic.

[manual63]

Thanks for reversing the poll count FIXING John no doubt did, Shad. The current figures look a lot more realistic.
You are welcome...and they sure are.....:D

[Tex]

Okay, NOW I voted. :D

[Whatsmymantra?]

I like Leb, hate to drive 25 miles one way to ride my bike. Does anybody ever ride the light rail to the Mall and bike out to Leb. Is there a bus that goes that way? Are there any good bike routes from the mall to Leb?

[gopherhockey]

What a mess.... ;)

[bikeoutback]

I like Leb, hate to drive 25 miles one way to ride my bike. Does anybody ever ride the light rail to the Mall and bike out to Leb. Is there a bus that goes that way? Are there any good bike routes from the mall to Leb?

try www.mvta.com (http://www.mvta.com), then click on mall of america and it will give you the routes that include that stop, there are a few depending on your time of day that will get you close to Leb (blackhawk park and ride on the 440 looks close and palimino park and ride on others isn't too far away either).

[stoneage]

Chris ..... punk
uh huh!!
Suckers. I got the first 3½ lap,orange work glove, 81 degree, pink single speed ride in at Theo.

[Buck]

I have to agree with JohnL on this one. Both trails are great, they each have their own personalities. I voted for Murphy and Cuyuna as the greatest trails!!! Ya gotta see both areas and then let your imagination run wild.

When I had Adam up at Cuyuna he was so excited he had a seizure. (maybe that is just the way you act when you have had 10 red bulls before breakfast) So I am excited about all the activity that is goin on for trails. I am predicting that within3 years we will be scoring an A on the IMBA polls.

Tim

mmm, the two trails I will most likely be dedicating the most time to in the near future are Murphy and Cuyuna where no solid plans have been laid...Then I can get a say so I can see what I want! hahahaha that's right Tim is theeeeee BOMB for inviting me to check out the terrain, I've been tellin' people about it ever since...it's gonna be dope! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

L8Rz
Buck

[Mountain Jam]

I think you all are wasting your time The Farm was (before the damn city tore it up) and still is the best technical singletrack out there.

[transplant]

Thanks for reversing the poll count FIXING John no doubt did, Shad. The current figures look a lot more realistic.

As of 4/13/06 at 9:39 pm, I would agree! :crazy2: :D :jumpy: ;)

[soupboy]

1/2 lap? WTF Bill? I said "hi Bill" on my way out - generously proportioned dude, MORC jersey, blue bike.

Trail was great.

uh huh!!
Suckers. I got the first 3½ lap,orange work glove, 81 degree, pink single speed ride in at Theo.

[soupboy]

I like Leb, hate to drive 25 miles one way to ride my bike. Does anybody ever ride the light rail to the Mall and bike out to Leb. Is there a bus that goes that way? Are there any good bike routes from the mall to Leb?

I hear you, but spending 2 hours playing planes, trains and whatever else can be worse. LR door to door would be great - bus transfers would make it a Bhutan Death March.

[phaberman1]

I think you all are wasting your time The Farm was (before the damn city tore it up) and still is the best technical singletrack out there.

I agree.

I think it's still rideable, for now.

[Burke]

This is the most accurate poll I've ever seen! Kudo's to the 1200+ of you that made it happen.

Scott

[Trevize1138]

For the record, I'm not a weenie.

To the 1200+ of you out there that are mistaken, I just want you to know that I'm right and you're all wrong ... again ...

[tedsti]

Sometimes you have to come to the realization that the problem may not lie in all the other people, but that the problem may be within you.

Damn that is deep, sometimes I amaze myself.


I just want you to know that I'm right and you're all wrong ... again ...

[FarmerBEN]

see chris is a uniter not a divider, he found to get us past our partisan bickering

[Trevize1138]

I wouldn't expect you insects to understand the mind of a god.

[stoneage]

1/2 lap? WTF Bill? I said "hi Bill" on my way out - generously proportioned dude, MORC jersey, blue bike.

Trail was great.
Sorry Sean, didn't recognize you. Old eyes! I stepped on my Rudy's flipping the entry signs. Took them home and cleaned them and they are all right. I repeated the south loop once, so that's where the half lap came in. Trail was amazing.

[Bighit]

.....Wirth is cool too. No offense but ya'll need someone to help that knows how to make jumps. I know you guys want to keep it small but having such short jumps for that speed is more dangerous then having a jump that's 10' long. They are basically speed bumps. A rookie, or an expert can way over-shoot those things. How about Andrew Quinn, if I can volunteer someone. He knows jumps. Thanks for your consideration in advance. P.S. the glenwood (a la A.Q.) hip is cool

[stoneage]

We know the table is short. We were up against time last year, but are planning on improving it soon. Come out on Wednesdays at 5 to help get the trail in shape so we can start on the X section.

[Bighit]

First off I love to ride Leb, totally appreciate all the hard work that goes into creating it and keeping it maintained but yeah the log crossings are just over the top for me. It's the one thing that bugs me about the trail. Log crossings are like speed bumps. Problem is there are a ton of speed bumps where ya don't really need em. It's like a painting, you just want to keep addings things to make it better but in the end you find out them sometimes more is not always better.

I can't speak to Theo has I have never even ridden it. This East side guy needs a tour guide this summer me thinks!


Once you get used to them they are jumps and you'll lose no speed.

[Trevize1138]

.....Wirth is cool too. No offense but ya'll need someone to help that knows how to make jumps. I know you guys want to keep it small but having such short jumps for that speed is more dangerous then having a jump that's 10' long. They are basically speed bumps. A rookie, or an expert can way over-shoot those things. How about Andrew Quinn, if I can volunteer someone. He knows jumps. Thanks for your consideration in advance. P.S. the glenwood (a la A.Q.) hip is cool

It would be great if it were a simple matter of only knowing how to build jumps. There's a bigger issue of the day only having 24 hours in it and limited resources, too. :) So, yes, as Bill says, come on out and help volunteer! We need all the help we can get!