View Full Version : Mpls Calendar benefit trails. Beauty on the Bike
Dixie
12-09-2005, 01:38 PM
This is a must get. Locally photographed and produced with local women and their bikes. Sizzling hot reality style photography.
Here is the website. I predict this Calendar sells out in a week.
http://beautyonthebike.com/
Yeah, that's really classy alright. I prefer to see women kicking butt riding their bikes, not showing their butts posing with bikes. But hey, let's hear it for gratuitous clevage.
Wolfchimp
12-09-2005, 01:59 PM
They do a nice job using the site as a teaser. I don't know if I could get away having that calendar posted up in my place!
guest_s
12-09-2005, 03:40 PM
Yeah, that's really classy alright. I prefer to see women kicking butt riding their bikes, not showing their butts posing with bikes. But hey, let's hear it for gratuitous clevage.
Especially since there are so many women in this city who do kick butt on a bike. I would rather see them rockin' on a bike at a local trail or in a road race/ride than 1/2 naked posing on a bike.
And those pics are totaly cheesy too. An underwear upskirt shot? Let's get real.
guest_s
12-09-2005, 03:48 PM
http://www.velobella.org
Go here if you want to see women ripping it up on bikes.
Pete Hamer
12-09-2005, 03:50 PM
What they don't tell you is that I am the model for November so it's not just women being objectified. :crazy:
bigwheel
12-09-2005, 04:00 PM
Can't we just all get along?
How about a compromise. A pin-up bike calendar with scantly-clad women who are capable of ripping up the trail. They are plenty good looking, and probably a lot more fun to be around.
It works for the pro beach volleyball players.
gopherhockey
12-09-2005, 04:00 PM
An underwear upskirt shot? Let's get real.
I think I have a picture of Buck like that we could use in the MORC 2006 calendar... ;)
(Buck - I owed you one still... hehe)
jeffgude
12-09-2005, 04:08 PM
Somehow I don't think those are really their bikes.
Wolfchimp
12-09-2005, 04:16 PM
I don't think it matters if the bikes are theirs or not...I bet they still sell a ton of calendars! Just remember...the sales of those calendars benefit the trails so I hope they all sell.:D
bike>>rider
12-09-2005, 04:25 PM
The site says "a portion of the proceeds will be donated," with particulars to come later. That could mean anything.
Dixie
12-09-2005, 04:25 PM
These girls all ride. All the time. Some rip it up, others just like to ride. If you take it seriously, like Shad, then you are going in the wrong direction. This is art. It has no intention or ambition. Interperitive reality requires the ability to accend and transend that which we feel to be real. Fact is, it is all a dream of your own doing. Look at the images or the bikes or the back drop or the details. There is no malice here. Willing participants all and all using there own bikes.
A cheeky how do you do if you will.
So relax Shad, you are the PC barometer still.
And likely, some of these girls could woop your slow behind while striking a pose for 2007.
Panman
12-09-2005, 04:39 PM
I think I have a picture of Buck like that we could use in the MORC 2006 calendar... ;)
(Buck - I owed you one still... hehe)
I think your on to something, a MORC calendar. How hard could that be, just take a few photos and send it to some publishing company. Mara, would you like to be the featured model? Joking aside, I'd buy one, since I get the IMBA one anyway, a MORC one would be cool.
bigwheel
12-09-2005, 04:56 PM
It works both ways.
Here's a pin-up calendar for the ladies, featuring studs from the Traverski Ski and Sports Club in Rochester.
The $15 calendar proceeds benefit Camp Joronado, a camp for children with cancer
http://news.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?a=239136
Leon Phelps
12-09-2005, 04:59 PM
. Mara, would you like to be the featured model? Joking aside, I'd buy one.
I'd rather see Liza Dornarsky or the marketing girl Amber :cool:
Leon Phelps
bigwheel
12-09-2005, 05:03 PM
Mara, would you like to be the featured model?
Maybe a pin-up of Mara holding a Polaski, with a bunch of dead buckthorn in the background.
jjrsds
12-09-2005, 06:27 PM
Maybe a pin-up of Mara holding a Polaski, with a bunch of dead buckthorn in the background.
While moving rocks way bigger than her .:D
guest_s
12-09-2005, 09:23 PM
Maybe a pin-up of Mara holding a Polaski, with a bunch of dead buckthorn in the background.
I like that one......that would be sweet. She takes down buckthorn, and anything else that gets in her way, better than most people I have seen with a Polaski....:)
I have to be a little cynical here. If you go through the efforts to pruduce this calendar and create a web site, why aren't the "trail proceeds" detailed up front?
"A portion of the proceeds will benefit Minneapolis trails. More information on this to come"
This strikes me as a little odd. I got nothing against calendars and great if it's true, but the demographics of the MORC message board also strike me as easy prey for something like this.
It's your decision what to do with your $$, but I would really want to know what proceeds are going to who before I plop down my $.
FarmerBEN
12-10-2005, 12:03 PM
I am a huge fan of gratuitous cleavage... If these girls really want to help the trails maybe we need to bring them out to trail work days. That might get more people involved. to quote van wilder, "sex sells Gwen, sex sells"
Yeah, that's really classy alright. I prefer to see women kicking butt riding their bikes, not showing their butts posing with bikes. But hey, let's hear it for gratuitous clevage.
guest_s
12-10-2005, 01:23 PM
I am a huge fan of gratuitous cleavage... If these girls really want to help the trails maybe we need to bring them out to trail work days. That might get more people involved. to quote van wilder, "sex sells Gwen, sex sells"
Yep...and with this attitude in moutain biking, we are going to have less women involved because most of them want to ride.....not be gawked at by lame people like you.
There are plenty of other places you can go if you want to see cleavage, I don't think it belongs in the cycling community where both men and women are involved. It makes it hard for many women to want to get involved if all they see is a bunch a men gawking at them. Cycling needs to have less of a male dominated attitude in it in my opinion.
syntaxjunkie
12-10-2005, 01:50 PM
Believe me, I have no doubt that the women in the calendar could ride circles around me, outjump Shad and in general kick large quantities of butt.
That said, regardless of what you think of the photos, it's pretty hard to argue that bikes are anything but props, at least in the photos being used to sell it. Does sex sell? Absolutely. Is it the only only thing that sells? Hardly. More often than not, it's the last refuge of a product or brand with nothing else to sell.
If this was a calendar featuring female mountain bikers actually riding mountain bikes, I'd have mine ordered. And if it was a little more specific about how it would benefit local trails--a percentage of proceeds donated to a recognized organization responsible for building and maintaining sustainable trails--I'd order a dozen to give out as Christmas gifts. But unless I'm missing something, it's 0-for-2 on these measures.
FarmerBEN
12-10-2005, 03:46 PM
Shad man, you are taking my comments far too seriously. First off my gratutitous cleavage comment was more of a general statement, the last thing I need while I am cruising in the hills is a gal in a low-cut jersey distracting me from the task at hand. I never go riding for the sake of gawking (that is why I go to the harbor) Secondly I hope think any female that took those comments as what they were intended as, a commentary on what head men generally think with. Scantilly clad women at trail building would probably get the attention of some, but I don't think anyone thought I was offering a serious suggestion (we may get more people there, but less work would get done with too much gawking). It's a saturday, chill out.:etard:
PS- I am not planning on ordering the calender, if anyone really wants "gratuitous cleavage" I bet you can pick up a complete nudie calender for less than 20 dollar bill, donate the change to MORC and you would probably be making a bigger contribution to MPLS trails.
Yep...and with this attitude in moutain biking, we are going to have less women involved because most of them want to ride.....not be gawked at by lame people like you.
There are plenty of other places you can go if you want to see cleavage, I don't think it belongs in the cycling community where both men and women are involved. It makes it hard for many women to want to get involved if all they see is a bunch a men gawking at them. Cycling needs to have less of a male dominated attitude in it in my opinion.
Dixie
12-10-2005, 06:46 PM
Man, are you guys missing the point. First, I am not selling it. I had no part in its creation conceptually or physically. Second, it's not about the trails. How could it be? The guy sells 1000 copies and he won’t make ****. Great, $23.45 to support our trail system. So why would you ride that pony?
Third: Sex sells? Well duh. Today, without question, we are all completely desensitized to how much sex is selling us. All day every day all the time in every possible way. In simple ways like Diaper commercial-hot mothers changing diapers, the camera draws her form in silhouette. Lovely. Or Coke or towels or sox or window cleaner. You cannot look at the TV and find an un-attractive person unless it is a good-looking person with a nice body dressed up like an ugly person. Or have you not noticed this?
Finally, I bought it for humor and curiosity. Local history. To look at the interesting bikes and girls and who ride them and know they are for real. And they get to dress up and feel the power, just for a moment, of being the center of attention. The star!
Do I condone it? I don’t know. In a world (society) slowly being bleached clean of any repugnance, the de-balling of the American male (Shad) and the absolute horror that is our Government (still the best in the world sorry and funny to say) I am beginning to feel a need in life for the truth of us to still exist. Truth is, we will be for a very short time. Not we as in you and I, we as mankind. The human form, this mortal coil, is but a blink of the eye. Remember Shad Holland, he says it best in his apocalypse now way:
What if the Sun just suddenly went.....poof??!!
Well guess what genius, it will. That is a certainty.
So why would I drivel over a local attempt to be creative and have fun. This innocuous display of girlie goods is also art in its pure form. Without self-consciousness. It will never happen again if this forum is an indication of the fall out for going against the PC dogma.
It bemuses me to observe this as it is so trivial yet can be made larger than the Universe itself. Mainly I found it funny, clever and not so terrible production quality coupled to the artistic nature and truth of its own reality. You see, even David has his detractors. Faced with the nude male statue, an artist revered wold wide as a genius, can be banned.
These are Biblical happenings.
This is a Calendar.
The church killed many and sensored more (Galileo) for simply stating that the Earth is mearly a pebble and we (humans) mearly evolved via natural selection and eveolution (Darwin). How could that be?
The drama above is just that. A drama. And this is just a Calendar.
Yet, as we clearly see here, it is also controversial. Why? Because there are scantily clad women? Well, we pay for the Playboy, we pay for Victoria Secret. Why not pay for the imperfect? Why not revel in my own community of knuckle heads and nit wits? After all, this is reality.
syntaxjunkie
12-10-2005, 06:51 PM
when people post things here, others are free to express their opinions about those things. that's what people have been doing. and i don't think anyone's specifically accused anyone else of doing anything wrong or evil. just opinions. that's all.
FarmerBEN
12-10-2005, 07:00 PM
the de-balling of the American male (Shad)
HAhaha
I am far from PC, and overly sensitive people can sometimes get under my skin, but to each his own I guess.
and as for the bikes on the website Ms. march appears to have a banana seat.
gopherhockey
12-10-2005, 07:07 PM
when people post things here, others are free to express their opinions about those things. that's what people have been doing. and i don't think anyone's specifically accused anyone else of doing anything wrong or evil. just opinions. that's all.
Thats right people... chill! :D Some like calendars, some don't. Some speak out against, some speak out for... some have a wife that reads this forum so he isn't allowed to say anything. :fool: ;)
nigel
12-10-2005, 07:10 PM
What if the Sun just suddenly went.....poof??!!
Dude that would be so cool, cept for the part where i get really cold.
syntaxjunkie
12-10-2005, 07:21 PM
Thats right people... chill! :D Some like calendars, some don't. Some speak out against, some speak out for... some have a wife that reads this forum so he isn't allowed to say anything. :fool: ;)
you mean liz isn't IN the calendar? :banana:
syntaxjunkie
12-10-2005, 07:22 PM
Dude that would be so cool, cept for the part where i get really cold.
funny, the sun han't even gone poof, and i'm already really cold.
gopherhockey
12-10-2005, 07:58 PM
you mean liz isn't IN the calendar? :banana:
Not as far as she is telling me at the moment at least... Hmmmmm
Paul Swenson
12-10-2005, 08:12 PM
Not as far as she is telling me at the moment at least... Hmmmmm
Sounds like someone figured out what they're getting for Christmas.
So Shad, what do you think of Marla Streb posing nude on her bike for Outside mag? Or Tara Llanes posing for Maxim? or Niki Gudex modeling? Or April Lawyer? or the DiamondBack girl from back in the day that did the body paint poster? Or the Marz girlz, fox girlz, or any other number of bike companies??? Heck do you even know any of the women I just listed??? Surprised if you don't being you fight so hard for more women in the sport(which I would love to see) I think it is kickass, they all ride and could whoop anyones ass on these forums as far as riding goes, and they happen to be damn fine women along the way. more power to 'em I say.
It's a calender people take it for what it is.
L8R
Buck
SpecHR55
12-11-2005, 05:04 PM
So Shad, what do you think of Marla Streb posing nude on her bike for Outside mag? Or Tara Llanes posing for Maxim? or Niki Gudex modeling? Or April Lawyer? or the DiamondBack girl from back in the day that did the body paint poster? Or the Marz girlz, fox girlz, or any other number of bike companies??? Heck do you even know any of the women I just listed??? Surprised if you don't being you fight so hard for more women in the sport( and the women which I would love to see) I think it is kickass, they all ride and could whoop anyones ass on these forums as far as riding goes, and they happen to be damn fine women along the way. more power to 'em I say.
It's a calender people take it for what it is.
L8R
Buck
Hahaa niiice, ever seen REEF girls in Wakeboarder mag.??? Even i think its a little Risque.
guest_s
12-11-2005, 05:59 PM
Shad man, you are taking my comments far too seriously.
I disagree. Many women take offense to this sort of thing, and joking or not, it's not funny....not here anyway. Maybe at the bar, but not in a place many women already feel a bit intimidated and uncomfortable.
How do I know this? I have done lessons and some for women only. I did them back in the 90's and I started doing them again last summer. They tell me it's tough to get involved in mountian biking, and some other highly male dominated sports, because how men act and treat women who are trying to enjoy the sport. Maybe many of you just don't know this....and that's fine. But now you know. I want more women, families, minorities, and younger kids to get involved in mountain biking. Right now, the sport doesn't portray itself as a good place for these people. I see things are changing, especially at Theo, and I think it's a good thing.
guest_s
12-11-2005, 06:09 PM
the de-balling of the American male (Shad)
Don't know dude. I guess I was just brought up to have a little more respect for women, so I don't just treat them as sex objects. Not say I don't like women and how they look, I just know the time and place for it...that's all.
I am not one ounce religious either.....but that's besides the point. Just seemed like a lot a funky quotes and religious garb in your post.
The calander still sucks. Not because of women and bikes, but it's cheesy. I don't think an upskirt underwear shot is art....sorry...just don't see the art there. A women leaning over showing cleavage.....yeah...good for Playboy, not so good for cycling. But everyone has their opinions....and I think I plainly stated mine.
guest_s
12-11-2005, 06:11 PM
So Shad, what do you think of Marla Streb posing nude on her bike for Outside mag? Or Tara Llanes posing for Maxim? or Niki Gudex modeling? Or April Lawyer? or the DiamondBack girl from back in the day that did the body paint poster? Or the Marz girlz, fox girlz, or any other number of bike companies??? Heck do you even know any of the women I just listed??? Surprised if you don't being you fight so hard for more women in the sport(which I would love to see) I think it is kickass, they all ride and could whoop anyones ass on these forums as far as riding goes, and they happen to be damn fine women along the way. more power to 'em I say.
It's a calender people take it for what it is.
L8R
Buck
I know some of the names. But I guess I don't go looking for who poses nude where. Just not my thing I guess. But go ahead.....enjoy yourself and have fun with it.:crazy2:
waitabit
12-11-2005, 06:16 PM
As far as I can see, it's a good calender, and if you don't like it, don't buy it.
drmrboyalex
12-11-2005, 06:39 PM
I know some of the names. But I guess I don't go looking for who poses nude where. Just not my thing I guess. But go ahead.....enjoy yourself and have fun with it.:crazy2:
i doubt he went looking for nude pics of them (but maybe he did, idk) but im sure there have been articles printed about it
gopherhockey
12-11-2005, 06:45 PM
I think the discussion has gone longer than it deserves. (then again its winter, what else are we going to discuss)
A few random thoughts:
1. I am sure everyone realizes its not a MORC produced calendar.
2. This months Bicycling magazine... put a women on the cover like that and they would get flooded with letters and hate mail.
http://www.bicycling.com/images/suboffer_300x125hol05.jpg
3. I am very curious why we don't have more female members (of MORC, and active members of the forums). I'm having Liz talk to some of her friends about that to maybe get some insight. (slightly off topic)
4. I think a MORC calendar isn't a bad idea. Obviously would be slightly different but could be a fun project. Maybe have contests to see who gets in... a long time ago I once thought about doing one with the best photos in the gallery, but very few rate photos in there.
drmrboyalex
12-11-2005, 10:20 PM
4. I think a MORC calendar isn't a bad idea. Obviously would be slightly different but could be a fun project. Maybe have contests to see who gets in... a long time ago I once thought about doing one with the best photos in the gallery, but very few rate photos in there.
you should post this up into the get involved section (i would but since im not a morc member yet, i would feel weird doing it) and have everyone put ideas in as to what you could do for it. you could have all the photgraphers here put in some pics to put in. you could do nature shots of the trails. you could have rider shots. you could have girls posing:p:laugh:haha
just a few ideas
soupboy
12-12-2005, 07:30 AM
That poster is harmless. Shoot, there's been a few DirtRag's with equally gratuitous T&A, well, mostly L&A.
These women chose to have some choice pics taken with their bikes. Big whoop.
I think that womens' participation rate in MTBing has very little to do with it being too "boys' club-by". [BEGIN BROAD GENERALIZATION] For the most part, boys like gear and widgets. Women typically don't give two poops about mechanical trinkets. At least most are not interested understanding the qualitative or quantitative differences in CK vs. XT hubs. Biking is probably one of the most gear intensive sporting pursuits. Much of the social aspect of riding occurs pre and post, not while flying around single track out of breath trying to keep the rubber side down. Women are more socially-inclined animals than men.
I see women out on virtually every ride...many times it is their backsides as they pass (sometimes I let them on purpose...;) ).
Besides - I think Shad just has his chamois in a bunch because nobody asked him to pose, sans helmet, wearing only kneepads and skate shoes on his seatless trials mod bike trying to do a NOSE WHEELIE:crazy2: .
mtnbykr
12-12-2005, 08:24 AM
I think the discussion has gone longer than it deserves.
then shut it off and make it go away. you have the power...
i think we need an all-mens calendar. equal opportunity after all.
kl
gopherhockey
12-12-2005, 08:26 AM
i think we need an all-mens calendar. equal opportunity after all.
kl
You volunteering to be Mr. January? ;)
KleinCrazy
12-12-2005, 08:30 AM
If we do do a calendar, I want Scott's Picture of me from the ice race last year featured as one of the winter months!!!!
I would also by happy to provide any of my photos to be used for a calendar.
If it matters, I have a line on someone who could do this. My BIL is a profession photographer in Omaha and works for a company who does things like the Conagra, Berkshire/Hathaway, Union Pacific annual reports, restaraunt menus, advertising layouts, etc.
So if it goes anywhere for a MORC Fundraising calendar, let me know and I will discuss it with him if we can not find someone local or a member that would be interested.
James
FarmerBEN
12-12-2005, 09:17 AM
. I want more women, families, minorities, and younger kids to get involved in mountain biking. .
I am more curious about the lack of minorities. I may lead a sheltered life, but I have never really seen any black, hispanic or asian mt bikers. I am sure there are some out there, but that would be an interesting statistic to explore.
I don't really see any real offensive stereotypes about mt bikers other than the high percentage of males. If the reason we can't get women to join is because there aren't many women members, we are in for an uphill battle. And if anybody is intimidated by my manhood, there is really nothing I am willing to do to change that. besides I rarely ride with other bikers anyhow, male or female. The only thing intimidating on the hill is the hill.
Closed circuit to anyone who knows- when and how can we pay our 06 dues?
guest_s
12-12-2005, 09:19 AM
A MORC Calendar is a good idea. Some riding, some trailwork pics, and someone we know yeilding a mean pulaski.....:)
jeffgude
12-12-2005, 10:35 AM
Closed circuit to anyone who knows- when and how can we pay our 06 dues?
Go to the morcmtb homepage, on the right side - "Join MORC" Go in that way and choose renew membership. The electronic form will come to me. Or, send your name and payments to the Woods Lane physical address listed.
Jeff Gude
Membership Coordinator
mtnbykr
12-12-2005, 10:45 AM
You volunteering to be Mr. January? ;)
you bet, i'll be any month. :?)
kl
SuperClydesdale
12-12-2005, 10:47 AM
you bet, i'll be any month. :?)
kl
Kurt
That's soooo hot!
Mark
guest_s
12-12-2005, 12:03 PM
I think that womens' participation rate in MTBing has very little to do with it being too "boys' club-by". [BEGIN BROAD GENERALIZATION] For the most part, boys like gear and widgets. Women typically don't give two poops about mechanical trinkets. At least most are not interested understanding the qualitative or quantitative differences in CK vs. XT hubs. Biking is probably one of the most gear intensive sporting pursuits. Much of the social aspect of riding occurs pre and post, not while flying around single track out of breath trying to keep the rubber side down. Women are more socially-inclined animals than men.
I don't totally agree. Maybe a little on the techno weenie part, but how come I see an almost 50% split of men and women doing XC Skiing? I don't see a huge difference between XC Skiing in XC Mountain Biking, besides the image part. There is something about Mountain Biking that makes it out to be this extreme male dominated sport, which in most cases it is not. XC Skiing, as I am finding out, is just as tough to do as mountain biking, if not tougher. Most people know how to ride a bicycle....and you can survive most singletrack knowing just that.
Not totally sure why, but it's my job to figure out and help change the image a bit. Not just for women, but for everyone.......:)
soupboy
12-12-2005, 12:23 PM
There is something about Mountain Biking that makes it out to be this extreme male dominated sport, which in most cases it is not.
I think that is due largely to helmetless, know-it-all motherhucking tricksters slanging the boom-boom-huck-jam BMX vibe.:crazy2:
Add to that a copious amount of Buck's free Redbull and you can see why the womynz scurry away.
Add to that a copious amount of Buck's free Redbull and you can see why the womynz scurry away.
At least the ones with common sense ;)
I bet if we invited everyone's spouse, SO, or mom to read the forums, they'd family - friendly themselves up in a hurry :p
guest_s
12-12-2005, 12:37 PM
I think that is due largely to helmetless, know-it-all motherhucking tricksters slanging the boom-boom-huck-jam BMX vibe.:crazy2:
Add to that a copious amount of Buck's free Redbull and you can see why the womynz scurry away.
I know you are setting wood in the fire. Yeah, because that's what you do....:)
But to be honest with you, you are correct. I am working on my image a bit because of it. I used to be a lot like some other people on here, won't mention names, and have this hardcore BMX/Freeride attitude. I still believe in my BMX roots, but for mountain biking and MORC to evolve and succeed, we need to not let one image take over. Lately, it seems like the extreme sports image has been taking over mountain biking. This is fine in some cases and freeriding definitely has it's place now. But mountain biking does mostly consist of people who just want to ride XC single track trails. We need to make sure this is also a major part of MORCs and mountain bikings image in general.
You don't necessarily have to be hardcore to enjoy Theo, the River Bottoms, or Leb. Most people; women, childern, beginning riders, and so on....can ride and enjoy those trails with little to no issues. That's what we need to portray. At the same time, we need to keep evolving the more extreme (I still hate that word) aspects of the sport, such as freeride, trials, BMX....and whatever.
soupboy
12-12-2005, 12:49 PM
I bet if we invited everyone's spouse, SO, or mom to read the forums, they'd family - friendly themselves up in a hurry :p
Probably true. Fortunately for me I'm an equally opportunity offender. What you see is what you get (unfortunately)!
FarmerBEN
12-12-2005, 12:50 PM
You don't necessarily have to be hardcore to enjoy Theo, the River Bottoms, or Leb. Most people; women, childern, beginning riders, and so on....can ride and enjoy those trails with little to no issues. That's what we need to portray. At the same time, we need to keep evolving the more extreme (I still hate that word) aspects of the sport, such as freeride, trials, BMX....and whatever.
that sounds like some sort of a paradox. Good luck with that. And warn me before you tell my mom, I maybe better change my signature away from the Stone double bastard slogan..
soupboy
12-12-2005, 12:52 PM
At the same time, we need to keep evolving the more extreme (I still hate that word) aspects of the sport, such as freeride, trials, BMX....and whatever.
Try substituting the word "choice" for "extreme" every chance you get. I like it. I hadn't used that adjective since HS but heard it the other day and it brought back fond memories...
guest_s
12-12-2005, 12:57 PM
that sounds like some sort of a paradox. Good luck with that.
Well....it's not easy. Who said anything like this is easy?? :)
But Leb is a good example of a trail system for everyone, except maybe the hardcore freerider. Beginner Loop, Intermediate Loop, X-Loop, and XX-Loop. It's a very good trail system and Theo is right behind with some good options and a future of some more advanced trail. Now, this just needs to be portrayed to the many who don't know much about mountain biking. From the outside, as a non-biker that is, mountain biking is portrayed (even in ads) as this extreme sport with jumping, mud, nasty downhills, and so on.
guest_s
12-12-2005, 01:06 PM
I failed to mention that Harmon Park is a great trail for beginners. So are the River Bottoms. Mostly because of the lack of hills and technical sections. The East side of the River Bottoms trail gets a little more challenging....and I am sure that Harmon Park will get more challenge added to it in the future. It's just a new trail and right now....a great one for people who just want a nice flowing ride.
FarmerBEN
12-12-2005, 01:08 PM
Well....it's not easy. Who said anything like this is easy?? :)
As a rule mountain bikers generally give up when faced with adversity/obsticles. That is practically the principle of the sport. If there is anyway I can gelp let me know. (other than being less offensive in my forum posts) have we ever thought of setting up group rides for beginners? I know your first group ride can be slightly intimidating when everyone else there are spandex clad trail warriors talking MTB language which is greek to beginners.
bikeoutback
12-12-2005, 01:11 PM
I bet if we invited everyone's spouse, SO, or mom to read the forums, they'd family - friendly themselves up in a hurry :p
Eh, nothing they haven't heard/read before. If they can handle a group of my old frat brothers they can handle these forums with ease. ;)
And wasn't it one of our few female members that started in post #2 with props to cleavage?
But hey, let's hear it for gratuitous clevage.
Aaroneous
12-12-2005, 01:23 PM
What, are you guys talking about trails now? Sheesh...
I just wanted to point out that in the 'upskirt' shot everyone was so riled about, she's actually showing off her sweet... bike shorts. That's funny stuff.
And since I also love pointing out the opposite of any argument, don't you think that making everything all family-friendly is going to alienate our most important demographic - the 18-35 year old white male?!? I'm sure plenty of guys got into biking to they can get out in the woods with their buddies without the old lady yappin' in their ear constantly, "Take out the trash, get that bike junk out of the living room, give me your paycheck so I can spend it, put that fire out, and tell your friends to go home cuz we're going to do something as a couple for once, and would it kill you to put on a shirt with buttons?" These poor guys are what MTBing is all about. Bring in the women and it's all over. No more peeing in the woods, changing shorts at the trailhead, screaming "F*CK YEAH DUDE!" at the top of your lungs for no reason... Basically, no more fun at all.
guest_s
12-12-2005, 01:24 PM
(other than being less offensive in my forum posts) have we ever thought of setting up group rides for beginners? I know your first group ride can be slightly intimidating when everyone else there are spandex clad trail warriors talking MTB language which is greek to beginners.
Yes we have and MORC did some MTBing 101 classes last summer.
Beginner group rides might be very rare though. I know our Monday night Theo rides are very beginner friendly. Mostly because we split into two groups. The fast riders and the casual social riders. The casual social group stops every so often and waits till the group gets back together. This is a good idea and I will try to portray the Theo Monday night ride as a good ride for beginners.....that is....when the white @#$% goes away....:)
guest_s
12-12-2005, 01:27 PM
Bring in the women and it's all over. No more peeing in the woods, changing shorts at the trailhead, screaming "F*CK YEAH DUDE!" at the top of your lungs for no reason... Basically, no more fun at all.
What women are you talking about? Most the women I know that ride mountain bike would say "F*** YEAH DUDE!" right along side of you. They can enjoy it for the same reasons we can. It's get out of the house time and away from the everyday hum drum crap!
No more peeing in the woods, changing shorts at the trailhead, screaming "F*CK YEAH DUDE!" at the top of your lungs for no reason... Basically, no more fun at all.
And don't even think of wearing those socks with that jersey . . .
mtnbykr
12-12-2005, 01:33 PM
....when the white @#$% goes away....
i can take a hint... :?)
kl
Trevize1138
12-12-2005, 01:38 PM
I'm with Bob on this one! I say we do this for MORC. Just imagine ...
* Photo of a "circumfrencially-gifted" MORCer with his shirt off doing some serious carbo-loading in the off-season (downing pizza and beer in a recliner)
* Photo of a leg-shaving MORCer wearing a pair of short '70s running shorts to show off his serious above-the-knee tan lines.
* Gratuitus shots of guys in lycra shorts obviously padded for false advertising
I'm in! :) I'll be Mr. February as that's my B-day month.
It works both ways.
Here's a pin-up calendar for the ladies, featuring studs from the Traverski Ski and Sports Club in Rochester.
The $15 calendar proceeds benefit Camp Joronado, a camp for children with cancer
http://news.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?a=239136
guest_s
12-12-2005, 01:40 PM
* Gratuitus shots of guys in lycra shorts obviously padded for false advertising
Darn it....where's that pic of that roadie team in red lycra shorts when you need it?
guest_s
12-12-2005, 01:42 PM
http://musingsofafatkid.blogspot.com/lycra.jpg
Or....with a simple web search.....you can find out why men should always wear black ones....:laugh::laugh:
KleinCrazy
12-12-2005, 01:51 PM
I'm in! :) I'll be Mr. February as that's my B-day month.
Nope...Sorry... I have February in my SCUBA ICE Gear since it is my Birthday Month also. Plus I am 2 days older than you are :p
James we need to have the one of you in the womens MORC t-shirt.
Oh, and I suppose it's about time I chimed in on this dead horse of a subject. I finally saw one of these calendars over my lunch hour. It's not that bad, nothing you can't see on any Maxim or Cosmo cover while standing in line at the grocery store. However, with that being said, I doubt my wife would let me hang it up on our bulletin board in our kitchen either.
As so many have already pointed out, if you don't like it - don't buy it. I didn't buy one, but not because I was offended, or that my wife would disapprove, I'm just too cheap.
Aaroneous
12-12-2005, 02:11 PM
What...
Kidding, dude. ;) Mara got it.
Photo of a "circumfrencially-gifted" MORCer with his shirt off doing some serious carbo-loading in the off-season (downing pizza and beer in a recliner)
I would totally be this guy. My gut has gotten significantly rounder and paler in the last two months. It's kinda like a faded old beach ball that rolled across the floor of a barber shop. Plus, the photo shoot would be sweet. Sit in recliner, eat pizza, drink beer. Someone else will have to drive me home.
guest_s
12-12-2005, 02:19 PM
Kidding, dude. ;) Mara got it.
I figured you might, because I know you a little better than that. But, my statement still stands.....especially for those who do think the way you joked....and there are those out there who think like that.......:p
soupboy
12-12-2005, 02:51 PM
Could be wrong - but I think the dude 3rd from right needs to get to the Urologist stat. I think his juevos rancheros have sprouted parasitic twins.
That, or he's the original ET.
http://musingsofafatkid.blogspot.com/lycra.jpg
Or....with a simple web search.....you can find out why men should always wear black ones....:laugh::laugh:
drmrboyalex
12-12-2005, 02:53 PM
http://musingsofafatkid.blogspot.com/lycra.jpg
Or....with a simple web search.....you can find out why men should always wear black ones....:laugh::laugh:
as funny as that is....THAT is a disturbing picture:laugh:
FarmerBEN
12-12-2005, 04:04 PM
http://musingsofafatkid.blogspot.com/lycra.jpg
Or....with a simple web search.....you can find out why men should always wear black ones....:laugh::laugh:
how is it that this picture was posted by the man that want MORC to take on a family friendlier image?
syntaxjunkie
12-12-2005, 04:06 PM
well, they do look well-equipped to start a family or two...
guest_s
12-12-2005, 04:11 PM
well, they do look well-equipped to start a family or two...
Nice....:laugh::laugh:
guest_s
12-12-2005, 04:14 PM
how is it that this picture was posted by the man that want MORC to take on a family friendlier image?
Huh?? Did I say family friedlier image in any of my posts? Reread dude...and don't make assumptions.
drmrboyalex
12-12-2005, 04:16 PM
Huh?? Did I say family friedlier image in any of my posts? Reread dude...and don't make assumptions.
so you dont want a family friendly MORC?
haha....you kinda walked into that one:eyeroll:
guest_s
12-12-2005, 04:25 PM
so you dont want a family friendly MORC?
haha....you kinda walked into that one:eyeroll:
Not really. I think too many people think Black and White on here. I think people take me as thinking Black and White on here sometimes. There is a place for joking around, posting funny pics, and whatnot. It's the direct comments and degrading of people that I don't agree with. I think 99% of us here are adults and it's going to be tough to make MORC family friendly....or should I say....for kids. I don't think we need to go that far, but image for mountian biking and MORC is very important. Also, many people need to understand that the forums, here or anywhere else, are mostly individuals opinions.....not MORCs opinions.
Just like people have the right to argue for cleavage, I have the right to argue against it, at least in the arena, and to hope people here will understand that women get intimidated by these sorts of posts and subjects. I think most riders would like to see more diversity....and right now....we don't have much of that.
Last summer I posted a "Women's Only Skills Session" I was doing. There was a lot of interest in it. But then people started posting comments, some about me doing it to find women or something, and I think it turned women away from my session. I had 3 show up when I knew at least 5 or 6 were initially interested. It's this sort of thing that gets to me. How can we get more women involved when this crap always seems to happen. There are other examples, but I am not going to point them all out.
drmrboyalex
12-12-2005, 04:36 PM
i see what you're saying....my last post was one of those jokes though. but yea, gotta keep it open to all. and your right it probably wont be much for kids in this sport. I'm pretty sure I'm one of the youngest on here and I'm 17 (I kno i'm not the youngest). but, you do have good points in there
guest_s
12-12-2005, 04:41 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm one of the youngest on here and I'm 17 (I kno i'm not the youngest).
Well, your almost an adult. Just close your eyes when the inappropriate material shows up......like my lycra pic....:)
drmrboyalex
12-12-2005, 04:51 PM
Well, your almost an adult. Just close your eyes when the inappropriate material shows up......like my lycra pic....:)
yea, its not like i care. throw up any and all inappropriate material for all i care.
guest_s
12-12-2005, 04:56 PM
yea, its not like i care. throw up any and all inappropriate material for all i care.
Yeah, but being an adult......it's our job to tell you what you can and can not see.....:):p:laugh:
gopherhockey
12-12-2005, 04:57 PM
yea, its not like i care. throw up any and all inappropriate material for all i care.
If you are like most your age, you could probably be telling us where to find the good stuff... ;) I know my nephews sure know their way around the Internet...
drmrboyalex
12-12-2005, 04:58 PM
Yeah, but being an adult......it's our job to tell you what you can and can not see.....:):p:laugh:
hahaha...nice
that about sums up society for us kids:eyeroll:
drmrboyalex
12-12-2005, 05:01 PM
If you are like most your age, you could probably be telling us where to find the good stuff... ;) I know my nephews sure know their way around the Internet...
ROTFL nice.:laugh:
mtnbykr
12-12-2005, 07:19 PM
Yeah, but being an adult......it's our job to tell you what you can and can not see.....
it's not my job, that's his PARENTS job...
kl
drmrboyalex
12-12-2005, 07:20 PM
it's not my job, that's his PARENTS job...
kl
i think it was one of those generalization things again. like adults tell kids. not he tells me or you tell me
FarmerBEN
12-12-2005, 08:07 PM
Not really. I think too many people think Black and White on here. I think people take me as thinking Black and White on here sometimes. There is a place for joking around, posting funny pics, and whatnot. It's the direct comments and degrading of people that I don't agree with. I think 99% of us here are adults and it's going to be tough to make MORC family friendly....or should I say....for kids. I don't think we need to go that far, but image for mountian biking and MORC is very important. Also, many people need to understand that the forums, here or anywhere else, are mostly individuals opinions.....not MORCs opinions.
Just like people have the right to argue for cleavage, I have the right to argue against it, at least in the arena, and to hope people here will understand that women get intimidated by these sorts of posts and subjects. I think most riders would like to see more diversity....and right now....we don't have much of that.
Last summer I posted a "Women's Only Skills Session" I was doing. There was a lot of interest in it. But then people started posting comments, some about me doing it to find women or something, and I think it turned women away from my session. I had 3 show up when I knew at least 5 or 6 were initially interested. It's this sort of thing that gets to me. How can we get more women involved when this crap always seems to happen. There are other examples, but I am not going to point them all out.
That would be a good way to meet women, but that is why I got into this site. Meeting people that have a common interest in biking. So far this hasn't been any women and I have no complaint with that. It is a downer that your good intentions got buzz killed by some smart alec. I don't think even I would rip on serious post. This whole calender thing is almost laughable. If it were a calender with gals in biking attire (spandex can be sexxy, with the exception of the picture of team weiner) with or on their bikes. Maybe a full sized shot of them and their bike with a pic of them hitting a trail on the background. That would've been tasteful and actually a pretty cool concept. sexxy not slutty, unlike this calender which I hope few people take seriously or give any creedence to.
drmrboyalex
12-12-2005, 08:11 PM
which I hope few people take seriously or give any creedence to.
ive already ordered 3:p:eyeroll:
FarmerBEN
12-12-2005, 08:20 PM
ive already ordered 3:p:eyeroll:
You must be a lonely lonely boy,
and that is about the funniest avitar I have ever seen in my life
drmrboyalex
12-12-2005, 08:22 PM
You must be a lonely lonely boy,
hahahaha....nice reply:laugh:
It all comes down to this, women need to step up and represent themselves. Doesn't make much sense to me why a guy is doing it, it's all good and a noble thing, but common sense says a woman would know what women want most, and how best to include them, guessing that since it is so hard for them to get involved in the first place they will have gone through the struggle that it is to get out and ride singletrack. Get off the computer, get on the bike. :eyeroll:
L8R
Buck
Trevize1138
12-13-2005, 08:06 AM
The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer
rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents,
chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their
legs, and are tyrants over their teachers.
The following quote was uttered by:
A - Prime Minister Tony Blair last year
B - Arnold Schwartzenegger during his campaign for governor
C - The actress who played "Mrs. C" on Happy Days at a recent Emmy Awards
D - Socrates 2500 years ago
common sense says a woman would know what women want most
I could live with never hearing the term "Sally" again. . . ;)
It is probably hard for some women to walk into an all male group of hard-core riders and feel comfortable. It's probably also uncomfortable for newbies to jump in and feel like they belong. If we can figure out how to appear less intimidating, we'll have more riders, more trailworkers, more people who want to be involved and advocating, and I'm pretty sure there will be sunny skies, and possibly daisies, too. :D
soupboy
12-13-2005, 08:59 AM
The following quote was uttered by:
A - Prime Minister Tony Blair last year
B - Arnold Schwartzenegger during his campaign for governor
C - The actress who played "Mrs. C" on Happy Days at a recent Emmy Awards
D - Socrates 2500 years ago
E. None of the above. The non-white, female, bi-oriented Jeebus said that.
stoneage
12-14-2005, 08:44 PM
There are 45 members of the local Velo Bella team, and I am coaching them. :) :) :) :)
The Kenwood Monday Night Ride started as a womens ride and clinic by Beckie Alexander and myself about 8 years ago. We would get 12-14 on rides. I think Mara was there. Most of them still ride. Off road is more intimidating for women, I think, because they are more careful in general. When I try to convince a woman to try MTB, it seems to be a leap of faith for them. I have seen many more severe injuries on the road than in the dirt, but you have a hard time convincing them of that. Road is more social in the scope of the ride, as you are generally in a pack and can communicate in a normal manner, i.e. carry on a conversation. Off road conversations are bits and pieces tied together by trail intersections. I think women bikers and XC skiers are beautiful, much more so than runners.
The Kenwood Monday Night Ride started as a womens ride and clinic by Beckie Alexander and myself about 8 years ago. We would get 12-14 on rides. I think Mara was there.
I was there. Those rides are still some of the best I've been on. Seeing so many women who are great riders was amazing. Better yet, all of them were willing to stop and help a very newbie learn to ride, with your help of course, Baba :)
Beckie Alexander is still one of the cyclists I look up to most.
soupboy
12-15-2005, 11:03 AM
There are 45 members of the local Velo Bella team, and I am coaching them. :) :) :) :)
Seems self-serving. Nice work.
How many times has Shad offered you cash to intern as your sempei?
guest_s
12-15-2005, 11:08 AM
How many times has Shad offered you cash to intern as your sempei?
Oh come on, we all know none of those women would like a monkey anyway? I must look like one by the way I XC ski.....:)
Wheels
01-27-2006, 12:37 PM
7 pages?
Who needs a calendar nowadays anyway...
I just saw the calendar "editor" yesterday, I'll have to go back and ask for the "MORC portion" of the proceeds and get it to our accountant - Mara.
Here's the cover shot for the "real" MORC calendar:
http://www.5gdm.com/moca/james_fox.jpg
Here's the cover shot for the "real" MORC calendar:
http://www.5gdm.com/moca/james_fox.jpg
Nice work. That's funny! Sorry James. . . ;)
berrywise
01-27-2006, 01:34 PM
7 pages?
Who needs a calendar nowadays anyway...
I just saw the calendar "editor" yesterday, I'll have to go back and ask for the "MORC portion" of the proceeds and get it to our accountant - Mara.
Here's the cover shot for the "real" MORC calendar:
http://www.5gdm.com/moca/james_fox.jpg
James definately gives Biker Fox a run for his money :crazy2: I kid I kid!
Wheels
01-27-2006, 02:14 PM
I think James hates me now. Sorry (again).
I think James hates me now. Sorry (again).
Quick someone post it to mtrb.com!! (kidding!)
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