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http://images.velonews.com/images/news/9076.13096.f.jpg :shocked:
Besides the broken head/fork tube, it looks like the chain has either come off or broke and possibly the front tire is flat.
That'd be the worst mechanical all in one I've seen.
Paul Swenson
10-26-2005, 12:12 PM
Here's the story that was in Velonews letters:
Hello,
Becky Brandt's dad here. Becky is at school right now, so I am writing in on her behalf. She took that photo at the WORS Ultimax Challenge in Sheboygan, Wisconsin, on October 9th of this year. It was the citizen/beginner race in the area simply called "the log jump." This guy hit the jump pretty fast, but never pulled up on the bars at all. The fork steer tube sheared at the threads when he was landing. He turned out to be okay. Nonetheless, they took him in for a visit to the hospital as a precaution.
While he was laying on the ground, he was asking his dad to pick up the headset bearings and other parts so he could rebuild and give her another go! Thanks for the weekly photo contest (http://velonews.com/news/fea/9076.0.html). We have had a lot of fun with it!
Doulas Brandt
Kenosha, Wisconsin
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/9082.0.html
manual63
10-26-2005, 12:57 PM
This guy hit the jump pretty fast, but never pulled up on the bars at all.
Not to beat a dead horse or anything......but......
Yeah, it's a good idea to pull up on the bars. A shorter stem and shorter chainstay length will help get the front wheel up and keep it there. After pulling up on the bars, keep pulling with your arms until you land, don't just relax after the first pull.
This is what could/will happen if you don't learn to jump correctly or have a bike not well set up for it......ouch!
Wolfchimp
10-26-2005, 01:26 PM
Wow Shad...you just can't help yourself can you. It seems that when someone does something wrong, you always have to correct them. We all know you have some good biking skills. What happens when you dont have the answer? Will you make something up just to sound like you're the Bike Master?
Paul Swenson
10-26-2005, 01:31 PM
Wow Shad...you just can't help yourself can you. It seems that when someone does something wrong, you always have to correct them. We all know you have some good biking skills. What happens when you dont have the answer? Will you make something up just to sound like you're the Bike Master?
Play nice.
Shad's tips have helped klutzy riders such as myself become better riders.
Thewavebb
10-26-2005, 01:40 PM
Wow Shad...you just can't help yourself can you. It seems that when someone does something wrong, you always have to correct them. We all know you have some good biking skills. What happens when you dont have the answer? Will you make something up just to sound like you're the Bike Master?
Just what I was thinking. Nicely Said
manual63
10-26-2005, 01:47 PM
Play nice.
Shad's tips have helped klutzy riders such as myself become better riders.
This is why I do it. There are many people on here that like my pointers. What I don't understand is why there are some who don't like it when I give pointers. It's not like they need to read it or even take it in. Maybe they already know how to jump, that's fine.
But there is nothing wrong with me helping out others who may need or like my advice. I would not do it if I didn't get so many people thanking me for the advice I do give.
Some of you need to chill out a little. It's not a bad thing to give riding advice on the forums. If you have an issue with it, maybe you need to take a look at your inner feelings and see why you have an issue with it........:)
bigwheel
10-26-2005, 01:54 PM
Since I've started trying to jump over logs, I really screwed up my timing for bigger, slower stuff. I find myself pulling up way too soon, and end up with my front wheel and weight on the way down when the wheel gets to the obstacle. Now, it is worse than my old technique of closing my eyes and riding them straight on.
Last night, I did it again on the Salem rock, and ended up laying in the weeds listening to the other riders giggle.
Whenever I remember to wait until my wheel touches before pulling up, it works fine. Whenever I pull up too soon, I know in advance that I am about to fall.
manual63
10-26-2005, 01:56 PM
Whenever I remember to wait until my wheel touches before pulling up, it works fine. Whenever I pull up too soon, I know in advance that I am about to fall.
Yeah....that whole timing thing.
Does that get worse with old age?.......:)
Hope not, I am almost there.
Wolfchimp
10-26-2005, 02:24 PM
This is why I do it. There are many people on here that like my pointers. What I don't understand is why there are some who don't like it when I give pointers. It's not like they need to read it or even take it in. Maybe they already know how to jump, that's fine.
But there is nothing wrong with me helping out others who may need or like my advice. I would not do it if I didn't get so many people thanking me for the advice I do give.
Some of you need to chill out a little. It's not a bad thing to give riding advice on the forums. If you have an issue with it, maybe you need to take a look at your inner feelings and see why you have an issue with it........:)
First of all, I admit that I do not know you all that well Shad. Maybe if I knew you better I would not feel this way, but this is just something I have witnessed in my time on the forums. There is nothing wrong with giving advice when its ASKED for, but in some cases you have intervened without being asked, and you tend to come off as if you know all there is to know about biking. For some reason that bothers me. Not sure if others feel the same way but I just had to lay it all out there and get it out of my system. :cool:
manual63
10-26-2005, 02:52 PM
First of all, I admit that I do not know you all that well Shad. Maybe if I knew you better I would not feel this way, but this is just something I have witnessed in my time on the forums. There is nothing wrong with giving advice when its ASKED for, but in some cases you have intervened without being asked, and you tend to come off as if you know all there is to know about biking. For some reason that bothers me. Not sure if others feel the same way but I just had to lay it all out there and get it out of my system. :cool:
What you need to know is this. I am the one that suggested the Riding Tips section a couple years ago. I have been actively involved in teaching riding to others since the mid 90's, starting with BMX racing, then mountain biking.
I don't think I know everything about biking, but I do know a lot. I started BMXing in 1980 and still do that and now mountain biking. I have a ton of info that I don't think should go to waste......so I blurt it out when I feel the need.
I was reading and I saw something that was related to a thing I have stressed many times on here. I go riding and see a lot of mountain bikers endo or hear many stories about it. Endoing is one of the most dangerous things that can happen on a bicycle. If I can prevent one rider from getting hurt, it's worth all my redundant posts on the subject. I am a part of MORC and I believe in the spread of knowledge. I do it with politics also, just not so much on here anymore.....or try not to. Knowledge is good.....the more people know, the better life is for everyone.
It's not about me feeling superior or thinking I am a better biker than anyone. I will leave that to BikerFox (http://www.bikerfox.com/Bicycle/bicycle.htm). I know way to many bicyclists that are way better than I am, mostly some of my BMX pro friends, but yeah.....I am far from being the best biker, but I do okay and that's all I care about. I have fun riding and helping others enjoy the sport. If it involves building cool trails or giving advice on how not to kill yourself......I am going to do it.
transplant
10-26-2005, 02:52 PM
Group hug! Awwwwwww, isn't that better? Personally I don't mind the tips, and where he puts them. I can technical like crazy on the trail, but can't do all the stunts that he talks about. It's kind of fun to try them at home using what spews from his fingertips. That said, Shad, maybe you could keep them in the "Tips" section to keep the peace. Just a thought. THAT said, Porter, maybe you could just skip what you don't like. Are we good? Now back to our regularly scheduled forum.
Wolfchimp
10-26-2005, 03:15 PM
Tom, I apologize for the outburst.(although I know that other people felt the same way) That being said...I will attempt to refrain from making direct comments that may rise the temp. of a thread. Just know that I never said that Shad's pointers weren't helpful to riders. I guess you could say they can only be taken "in moderation". Or maybe that you should never have ..." TOO much of a good thing"?
Adam Hjelle
10-26-2005, 03:15 PM
That Bikerfox dude really freaked me out.
Wolfchimp
10-26-2005, 03:17 PM
Yeah BikerFox is an interesting guy! Good stuff though.
Paul Swenson
10-26-2005, 03:27 PM
I'm sure Cannondale is proud that Bikerfox rides thier bikes.
Wolfchimp
10-26-2005, 03:31 PM
I bet they are very proud. He is one of those icons that many bikers know about and look up to. It all revolves around the idea that "If he rides a Cannondale, then it must be a good bike" Gotta hand it to the guy. Pretty incredible.
Paul Swenson
10-26-2005, 03:43 PM
I bet they are very proud. He is one of those icons that many bikers know about and look up to. It all revolves around the idea that "If he rides a Cannondale, then it must be a good bike" Gotta hand it to the guy. Pretty incredible.
I suppose you're right. I just have a hard time getting past his haircut and taking him seriously.
BTW what's up with him having his barends in an inch in from the end of the bar?:confused: http://www.bikerfox.com/foxphotos2/pages/0162.htm
(I still have not figured out how to post pictures)
Wolfchimp
10-26-2005, 03:47 PM
BTW what's up with him having his barends in an inch in from the end of the bar?:confused: http://www.bikerfox.com/foxphotos2/pages/0162.htm
(I still have not figured out how to post pictures)
I have no idea why an inch from the end or why bar ends all together. :confused:
manual63
10-26-2005, 03:49 PM
(I still have not figured out how to post pictures)
In most cases, you just right click on the image you want to post. Then select "properties". Under that you will see the direct link to the image. In FireFox it's labeled "location". Highlight and copy that url.
Once you have done that, click on the little icon on here above with the little mountain image. That will pop up a text box in a new window. Paste the image url in there and click "OK". You should see the image appear where you want it before you are done editing. You can place text where you want.....like I did here. Some sites will prevent you from doing this and if it's in Flash, you will not be able to do it this way. Hope that helps.
http://www.bikerfox.com/foxphotos2/images/0162.jpg
manual63
10-26-2005, 03:54 PM
If I wanted to get this thread back on topic.....I would post the original pic....which is why this thread is titled "Ouch!".....:)
http://images.velonews.com/images/news/9076.13096.f.jpg
Wolfchimp
10-26-2005, 04:04 PM
Yeah, I can imagine the aftermath! OUCH is right! By the way....that is a great action photo. Props to whoever took the pic. Anyone know what injuries he may have sustained? and if he is alright?
Paul Swenson
10-26-2005, 04:15 PM
Yeah, I can imagine the aftermath! OUCH is right! By the way....that is a great action photo. Props to whoever took the pic. Anyone know what injuries he may have sustained? and if he is alright?
Read the 3rd post on this thread.
If I wanted to get this thread back on topic
If you wanted to keep the thread on topic, you shouldn't have jacked it in the first place.
Anyway killer pic :cool: , I've never broken bars...and I never really want to....:hit:
L8R
Buck
I have no idea why an inch from the end or why bar ends all together. :confused:
Some avid bar end riders:
Julie Furtado
Ned Overand
Paola Pezzo
Johnny Tomac
Mary McConneloug
....
oh and ME.
If you ride/race for hours without resting or if you climb bar ends help a lot.
If you wanna be a cool punk fr guy who rips on every other type of biking/bikers then then I guess they're bad.
Wolfchimp
10-26-2005, 04:41 PM
Some avid bar end riders:
Julie Furtado
Ned Overand
Paola Pezzo
Johnny Tomac
Mary McConneloug
....
oh and ME.
If you ride/race for hours without resting or if you climb bar ends help a lot.
If you wanna be a cool punk fr guy who rips on every other type of biking/bikers then then I guess they're bad.
I'm not ripping on anyone and I'm not cool, nor am I a FR guy. :crazy:I have just had bad experiences with them.
I'm not ripping on anyone and I'm not cool, nor am I a FR guy. :crazy:I have just had bad experiences with them.
I put a bar end through my thigh out west. it hurt, that is why I don't run them.
L8R
Buck
I'm not ripping on anyone and I'm not cool, nor am I a FR guy. :crazy:I have just had bad experiences with them.
I've had bar ends on my bikes since about '94.
They done nothing but save my hands and bikes from destruction in crashes. They've allowed my to alternate my grip to releive stress and really put the power down to the pedal. You can use you're upper body strength to great effectiveness. Hint: I'm not called Ogre for irony.
I have never caught a tree yet. Now that I've jinxed myself, I could live with that. The bar ends on 2 of my mtn bikes are severly scratched up but not the bars nor the shifters/levers and esp not my hands.
dostoy
10-26-2005, 08:27 PM
Doing hand stands off of your handlebars is all well and good, but it doesn't give anyone the right to have every link on their website open in a new window.
It also doesn't excuse this picture
http://www.bikerfox.com/foxphotos2/images/434.jpg
steef
10-26-2005, 10:42 PM
Bar ends? Who needs bar ends if you ride Scott AT-2 or AT-4? I don't think I have any AT-3s, though. ;) I've had a bar failure before, but it wasn't fatal or even dangerous. Just pulled up on the bar while accelerating and it broke near the stem. It was a tough ride home.
drmrboyalex
10-26-2005, 10:46 PM
Doing hand stands off of your handlebars is all well and good, but it doesn't give anyone the right to have every link on their website open in a new window.
It also doesn't excuse this picture
http://www.bikerfox.com/foxphotos2/images/434.jpg
ur a very lonely man arent u?
steef
10-26-2005, 11:35 PM
This is why I do it. There are many people on here that like my pointers. What I don't understand is why there are some who don't like it when I give pointers. It's not like they need to read it or even take it in. Maybe they already know how to jump, that's fine.
But there is nothing wrong with me helping out others who may need or like my advice. I would not do it if I didn't get so many people thanking me for the advice I do give.
Some of you need to chill out a little. It's not a bad thing to give riding advice on the forums. If you have an issue with it, maybe you need to take a look at your inner feelings and see why you have an issue with it........:)
I rode with Shad when he was a klutzy rider. ;) He's worked a long time on his skills. Riding bikes for 25+ years gives one some insight. Back in the '80s Shad was far from the best freestyler, but we all hung together and rode and improved, together. Ya Ya, I'm just another old guy writing about how riding bikes all my life has given me the privilege to impart my knowledge to others. ;) I like to ride UP difficult hills, and down too. I like suspension. I like rigid. I like SS and I like gears. I like commuting and dicing with cars for the best line. My roots are in BMX and messenger style commuting. I'll probably build myself a dirt jumping 26" because I don't have one. And a 29er. I also want a 24" cruiser with an internal 7 or 8 speed that'll blow doors on the street or track and be able to handle mild to mid offroad.
I know, I should shut up and ride. [/rant off}
I'm going through dirt withdrawl right now, I've been busy enough to keep me away from the river bottoms for the last few weeks. At least 've kept my road miles up. :eyeroll:
steef
10-26-2005, 11:37 PM
ur a very lonely man arent u?
No, this a picture of a lonely man.
http://www2.bitstream.net/%7Enakroach/image/podrunk1.jpg
manual63
10-27-2005, 10:15 AM
If you wanted to keep the thread on topic, you shouldn't have jacked it in the first place.
Anyway killer pic :cool: , I've never broken bars...and I never really want to....:hit:
L8R
Buck
I didn't jack it, my comment was on topic.......about how not to do this is still on topic. I was mostly joking and the off topic was BikerFox.
manual63
10-27-2005, 10:19 AM
I rode with Shad when he was a klutzy rider. ;)
Come on now....I wasn't that klutzy. Now where did all these scars come from again???
transplant
10-27-2005, 10:28 AM
BikerFox and passed-out, naked punks are about as off-topic as you can get. I've said it before, bald men should NOT have hair that long. Or pose like that. ACK! I think I've gone blind.
Aaroneous
10-27-2005, 11:12 AM
God, will BikerFox never go away?!? I was hoping everyone was sick of him already. *sigh* Oh well...
~ON FREAKIN' TOPIC, YO~
I totally know what happened to that guy's bars. The caption said his steerer tube sheared off at the threads, so I'll bet you anything he had his stem up at or above the max height mark. The wedge was jamming into the weakest part of the steerer, and it wouldn't take much to snap it like a twig, especially if you land jumps like a caveman.
Moral of the story: Those marks are there for a reason.
manual63
10-27-2005, 12:55 PM
I totally know what happened to that guy's bars. The caption said his steerer tube sheared off at the threads, so I'll bet you anything he had his stem up at or above the max height mark. The wedge was jamming into the weakest part of the steerer, and it wouldn't take much to snap it like a twig, especially if you land jumps like a caveman.
The part I would be worried about would be the sheered metal end of where the steerer broke off. His chest looks like it's about to land on it, but must not have since he ended up okay in the end.
Aaroneous
10-27-2005, 02:18 PM
The part I would be worried about would be the sheered metal end of where the steerer broke off. His chest looks like it's about to land on it, but must not have since he ended up okay in the end.
More like his crotch than his chest. :shocked: Either way, the nasty part is probably down inside the head tube...
And I still can't figure out what happened to his chain...
Paul Swenson
10-27-2005, 03:23 PM
Back to the important stuff. Anyone entering the Bikerfox Idol Song Contest? I think Olof VandGudt from Sweden is a lock:
Bikerfox Idol (http://www.bikerfox.com/bikerfoxidol.htm)
manual63
10-27-2005, 03:27 PM
Back to the important stuff. Anyone entering the Bikerfox Idol Song Contest? I think Olof VandGudt from Sweden is a lock:
Bikerfox Idol (http://www.bikerfox.com/bikerfoxidol.htm)
That fits the thread title.........OUCH!!!
Aaroneous
10-27-2005, 03:40 PM
God, the pictures are plenty scary, but when you start reading...
The women were going crazy over the wild and sexy spandex that was worn. BikerFox complimented his attire with diamond earrings, outrageous socks, and an awesome hair style.
:sick:
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