How to get over large objects.

[manual63]

http://www.shadconcepts.com/howtos/OverTheLog.html

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Hope this helps some of you dial in your skills.

[Paul Swenson]

Very Cool!:banana:

Thanks for sharing your riding tips!:)

[SpecHR55]

Good advice! I find it helpful to kinda pedal kick to get the back wheels up on whatever.

[h2oskierc]

Shad,

Nice how-to! It looks like you are using plain old platform pedals, nice for a noob to see that you can do that without clipless pedals...

[SpecHR55]

nice for a noob to see that you can do that without clipless pedals...

Noob? isn't that a gaming term like "poned noobs"??

[soupboy]

You're riding a gold bike from the UK and you've clearly Photoshopped that sequence.

Poseur. Next thing you're going to do is start talking about how "core" Mongoose cruiser frames were back in the day and your love for beartrap pedals.

Note: that "tree" was really 3" in diameter and laying flat on the ground in real life.:eyeroll:

[transplant]

The best way for me to clear it is to hit the log as hard as I can with my front wheel and let momentum carry me the rest of the way. I go through more helmets that way.


Nice moves, truly.

[manual63]

You're riding a gold bike from the UK and you've clearly Photoshopped that sequence.

Poseur. Next thing you're going to do is start talking about how "core" Mongoose cruiser frames were back in the day and your love for beartrap pedals.

Note: that "tree" was really 3" in diameter and laying flat on the ground in real life.:eyeroll:

Actually, don't you remember? You were the one lying on the ground and I had to photoshop the tree in there for liability reasons......:p

[Earthman]

i like to super man off the bike about 8 feet before that by unclipping and hitting the front brake really hard. if i get enough speed up before i hit the brake i slide right under the tree. the bike go's over the top and then i get up and start riding. to slow and the bike and 3 to 4 riders go over you.

[stoneage]

Good sequence. Shows all the key elements. Nice job to the rider and 'tographer.

[MTB4LIFE99]

where was the that filmed at?

[halls]

Nice stuff on how to. Sounds like solid advice. At Battle Creek there is a log on the upper loops that is perfect size but on a slight downhill angle . I usually have to much speed going down and a slow motion endo follows. Any advice?:hit:

[manual63]

Nice stuff on how to. Sounds like solid advice. At Battle Creek there is a log on the upper loops that is perfect size but on a slight downhill angle . I usually have to much speed going down and a slow motion endo follows. Any advice?:hit:

The advice is right there in the how-to. If you have issues with this particular tree, practice on something smaller and then work your way up to bigger objects. Dialing in your skills on smaller objects will make you a much better rider, sure it may look simple, but it's getting you mind and body to work together naturally that you are doing. Eventually, like for me now, I don't have to think about when or how hard to pull up over something, I just look at it and go for it. But it takes awhile to get to that point.

[manual63]

where was the that filmed at?

Hillside...

[RedSquirrel]

The advice is right there in the how-to. If you have issues with this particular tree, practice on something smaller and then work your way up to bigger objects. Dialing in your skills on smaller objects will make you a much better rider, sure it may look simple, but it's getting you mind and body to work together naturally that you are doing. Eventually, like for me now, I don't have to think about when or how hard to pull up over something, I just look at it and go for it. But it takes awhile to get to that point.

Downhill logs require adjustment. Back in the day any downhill item would cause issue for me. I too hit them too fast. The result was endo's.

I remember the trick was to either slow down (and lean back)... OR pull up at the right time to minimize the upward blow on rear tire. It's a tricky thing because a pull up of rear takes an upward motion, and that's hard to do without moving forward. I learned to pull up earlier so by the time i hit the downhill log I was poised and had my body weight back in time. Also...although your going down hill, in this situation, the front brake is the enemy!!

[manual63]

One tip is to make sure you push the bike forward as your rear wheel starts to top the log. Getting your weight back isn't really leaning back as much as it is pushing the bike forward under you so your butt ends up behind the seat. This gives the bike a little extra thrust going over the top of the log and helps get the front wheel way out front to prevent you from endoing.

Practice this while riding on flat ground. Thrust the bike forward with your arms and legs, while rolling, until you butt is behind the seat. That is the motion you want to do while you are clearing the top of the log, all while sucking up the back tire as much as possible with the legs. Timing is very important when doing this.

[RedSquirrel]

Shad is right. I thought about it after and came to similar conclusion. Weight back is good but if your static at impact you will get jolted. As I said it's tricky, Shad explained we'll. His comments are great for smaller down hill logs. I'll add more for clearing (or taping as you go by) larger logs with speed. The same goes for hardtail, you may need to nearly clear logs to survive. Caution larger logs at speed take time to master.

Larger logs, or hardtail bikes) may need a bunny hop too. If your body (as a shock) cannot absorb the log you may go over unless you get a little pre-air. Again depends on speed, if you have a hardtail and size of log if a hop is needed. It's a up-unweighting, down weight timing as well as a bike under you positioning thing.

When to make the body go up..when body is going up you will make your bike light at some point, then gravity brings it down. When do you want to hit the log with back tire??? Hopefully when your body is near top out. (because the bike is lightest and you can absorb the hit - view the link and picture sequence again below)

Think about when you jump up, when do your feet get light in the process? At the same time your feet are light move the bike under you and forward. That way your positioned back, momentum of the bike is on your side, and ready to absorb or air it.

I like the previous posting on flat ground exercise to. When you get better at smaller down hill logs, add an up-ward motion and try to air them completley or tap on the way by.

good luck

[GoatGirl]

excellante!:cool: Shad you rock, what if you don't want to reck your chain rings? most of us don't ride with bash guards? who took the pictures?

[manual63]

excellante!:cool: Shad you rock, what if you don't want to reck your chain rings? most of us don't ride with bash guards? who took the pictures?

Yeah, the chainring thing is an issue. Basically, this works for much smaller things to, which might not hit your chainring. If you are doing things this big, chances are, you would want or already have a bashguard in place of that big ring. I never use my big ring anyway.....oh wait....I ride a single speed....nevermind.....:)

Micheal took the pictures on his last ride here before he moved out of town.

[Beau]

Nice work! I prefer to land with the rear tire when possible though! But you pulled off the front tire first pretty good! Most rings can handle a few logs, as long as you don't twist the once you hit the log.

Here's my shot. Pedal slow, wheelie a bit and pull up/push forward!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/beau_layman/ride.jpg

[manual63]

Nice work! I prefer to land with the rear tire when possible though! But you pulled off the front tire first pretty good!


To do that, you would have to go super slow and do it trials style....or bunnyhop high enough to clear the whole thing. Trials style would be that you pop up onto the log with the rear tire, then hop down from there onto the rear wheel. That would be sweet to see. I know Dave and John can do it, explain how you would do it if you would, the more advice for people the better.

Nice, pic. The issue I have with stuff like that is going onto the skinny part at the top. I could ride up that thing if it was 6 feet wide.....:). But being that it's skinny, it adds a whole new challenge. Sweet riding!

[Magic]

A little trick from the old days. If you don't have a bash ring and run a big ring, when you get to said obstacle make sure your chain is in the big ring. You use your chain as a make shift guide over the logs. The chain fills in the tooth gaps and gives you a smoother surface to move across the log. This way you don't have the teeth from the chain ring digging into the log. Just something for people to try. When I ran a big ring and no bash gaurd this is what I used to do. But if you want to go for style points you can just bunny hop the log and keep on rolling. Hope this helps some.:etard:

[manual63]

A little trick from the old days. If you don't have a bash ring and run a big ring, when you get to said obstacle make sure your chain is in the big ring.

This is a great idea. Just be sure you don't end up in too high of a gear so you can pedal out of it. I was on a singlespeed, but if I wasn't, I would not have been able to ride out of this tree ride being in a big ring. It was uphill and I had lost all my speed going over the tree. I needed the lower gearing, which was still higher than I would have liked it, to pedal away cleanly.

I am sure there are some riders out there who could have hopped the whole thing, not sure who.....it was uphill and quite high, but I am sure someone could do it.

[Beau]

The way we got up that was to just go fast, pull up the front tire, and slam the rear into it, then hop up.

There was a local running fully rigid with no brakes that went right up! Sick rider too!

[manual63]

There was a local running fully rigid with no brakes that went right up! Sick rider too!


And it wasn't a BMX bike?? I know a ton of BMX street riders who don't run brakes, I don't know why, I find brakes kind of useful......and yeah, fully rigid too...:) Been doin' that for years now.

[Beau]

Yup, junky old Raleigh M60. Kid was crazy! He could spin and bunnyhop on to anything.

Can't remeber his name, but check out Chicago Freeride. He's one of those drunken fools!:p

[manual63]

Yup, junky old Raleigh M60. Kid was crazy! He could spin and bunnyhop on to anything.

Can't remeber his name, but check out Chicago Freeride. He's one of those drunken fools!:p

Sweet! I used to not be able to throw around a mountain bike very well. But now that I am mostly used to it, I can bunnyhop pretty high and at least do 180's. I hope to do 360's someday, I can do them on my BMX bike.

That sounds like impressive riding, I will check out the site, I guess I should just Google it eh?

[Beau]

Poop

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[manual63]

Uh.....this was on the homepage of that site. Are you sure it's safe to read?

Stormtrooper Elvis???

http://chicagofreeride.com/photogallery/st_elvis.sized.jpg

[Beau]

www.chicagfreeride.com (http://www.chicagfreeride.com)

there ya go

[manual63]

www.chicagfreeride.com (http://www.chicagfreeride.com)

there ya go

You got it right the first time, that dude it on the Chicago Freeride site! Funny...funny stuff.....

[Beau]

You got it right the first time, that dude it on the Chicago Freeride site! Funny...funny stuff.....

Looks like we can't link from their site, check out the pics of of the kid below though. I guess he has a RS fork, not a rigid.


This is classic!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/beau_layman/poop.jpg

[Trialsdave]

I didn't read all of this, but here is a explanation off of www.Trials-online.com (http://www.Trials-online.com) they have a bunch of very good info on how-to do some stuff. This one in particular is located here: http://trials-online.com/techniques-ridingup.php

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width=10 background=images/divider.gif></TD><TD vAlign=top align=left><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR align=right><TD>http://trials-online.com/images/logo.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD class=bodytext vAlign=top>[ Trials Techniques - Riding up an object]

If you want to get onto an object that is less than a couple feet high (approximately), the easiest and most straightforward way is to just ride up it. For most small objects it won't be necessary to do any kind of hopping, pedal kicking or japslapping.

The two things you need to understand to be able to ride up something is using a pedal stroke to help lift the front end (as described in the previous lesson), and shifting your weight.

To ride up an object, you'll need to do two steps. First, you will slowly roll towards the object, usually with your bad foot forward (to allow for a half pedal stroke). When you get close to the object (the exact distance will vary depending on the height) you will do your pedal stroke, lean back a bit and get the front wheel high enough to get on top. This is the easy part. The second step is a bit more difficult, and the timing becomes more critical the higher you need to go. What you need to do is quickly shift your weight far forward on the bike, which will unweight the rear wheel. At the same time, your want to pull in your legs a bit, and (similar to a bunnyhop) push the arms and roll the wrists to help rotate the rear end up. The idea here is to do these motions fast enough that you do not catch your bashguard on the object. Some people find that quickly locking the front brake, just for a second, allows them to do a small endo to help lift the rear wheel.

As the object gets higher, the time you have to do the motions decreases, so practice doing both steps in rapid succession. Roll, pedal, lift, shift.

Once you have mastered this skill, it is possible to smoothly roll up things even handlebar high.


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[Trialsdave]

or you can try for somthing like this.... http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&id=18I wish you good luck and excellent rear brakes!!! btw, thats is not me.

[Trialsaddict]

or you can try for somthing like this.... http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&id=18I wish you good luck and excellent rear brakes!!! btw, thats is not me.

I can do that.