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soupboy
08-07-2005, 11:18 AM
I know these are unavoidable practically speaking but is there a plan to rework sections of the last DH some time in the future? Not sure how it would be done.
I don't mind them (just don't brake!) but I have to imagine a few unsuspecting souls have taken diggers there because they were having too much fun going bombs away only to run up on the turns to quickly and voila - digger.
yeah you could put in berms
L8R
Buck
tedsti
08-07-2005, 12:34 PM
There is a plan to do some armoring but we will not be able to do all the areas that need it. We may end up having to do some reroutes in order to make the trail more maintainable. In the mean time, we have been waiting for some rain to make the dirt out there more workable for some temporary patching.
There is a plan to do some armoring but we will not be able to do all the areas that need it. We may end up having to do some reroutes in order to make the trail more maintainable. In the mean time, we have been waiting for some rain to make the dirt out there more workable for some temporary patching.
mmm, I think we are getting that rain right now! Why not just make the berms bigger so you can hit them faster? I know I know, we don't need bigger berms, but how is armoring going to stop people from skidding(It won't!) Won't armoring just move the problem further up the trail??? B/c now people won't only be slowing down for the berms they will also be slowing down for the armoring as well???:confused: ??? Myself would hit any of what gets done there at full speed! lolz, stupid DHer mentality no brakes=more fun, the braking bumps just make it funner when you have an 8x8, maybe if we left them there long enough they would turn into whoops we could flow through to get to the turns :cool: :D I don't know if any of that makes sense...wish I could make it to explain but I have to work 6-10pm...:cryin:
L8R
Buck
tedsti
08-08-2005, 09:20 AM
If we armor the places where people are skidding, we won't get braking bumps. If they slow down before they get to the armored section, they won't be moving as fast when they hit the brake and would do less damage. None of these are ideal fixes. It is tough to find a workable solution at Leb. due to peoples expectation of a fun trail with some hills and the fact that Leb. sees tons of use.
The problem with putting in burms is that people have to slow down eventually.
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The problem with putting in burms is that people have to slow down eventually.
Hahaha, slow down??? Yeah you do that at the end of the trail! :D I see what you are saying, it would be killer to make the berms massive and link them with jumps and stuff, that would be sick, flow the whole trail super fast!
L8R
Buck
dave t
08-08-2005, 01:21 PM
If we armor the places where people are skidding, we won't get braking bumps. If they slow down before they get to the armored section, they won't be moving as fast when they hit the brake and would do less damage. None of these are ideal fixes. It is tough to find a workable solution at Leb. due to peoples expectation of a fun trail with some hills and the fact that Leb. sees tons of use.
The problem with putting in burms is that people have to slow down eventually.
The way I see it, People that are skidding now will react the same way to a bunch of rocks amouring the trail as they do to a rapidly approaching corner.
They will wrap their white knuckles around the brake lever and give'er a good squeeze.
The braking bumps will just move. Us speep demons will just bomb through that and have a armored approach to the turn but the problem isn't really solved. I don't have a solution that fits the context of the trail but it seems that berms would help because i don't notice nearly as much chop on the naturally bermed turns.
I think the off camber, outside turns with trees at the edge freak a lot of riders out.
noise_is_life
08-08-2005, 01:29 PM
I agree, taking a berm at high speed is an advanced technique (if not skill-wise, confidence-wise), it's the beginner/intermediate riders that will continue to cause braking bumps.
It seems like the final solution (and is the IMBA method) is a reroute in those sections so you don't have fast in flowy sections going into tight turns.
It seems like the final solution (and is the IMBA method) is a reroute in those sections so you don't have fast in flowy sections going into tight turns.
Exactly, I was going to post the same thing.
I'd be very surprised if berms solved the problem.
The trail transitions from a high-speed area with long sightlines to an area that has very short sightlines. You will always get riders that don't know the trail well enough and lay on the brakes - that will never change. The only solution is to make this transition smoother (slow people down gradually by re-routing the trail).
I agree, taking a berm at high speed is an advanced technique (if not skill-wise, confidence-wise), it's the beginner/intermediate riders that will continue to cause braking bumps.
It seems like the final solution (and is the IMBA method) is a reroute in those sections so you don't have fast in flowy sections going into tight turns.
As much as I would like to see more berms, I would also agree that it won't solve the problem (not sure armoring will either). Look at the berm on the intermediate (right before it dumps into the x entrance/xx exit) - there are braking bumps before that berm which can be railed at full speed with NO need to brake.
Not sure if you guys noticed this - but if you want to avoid the braking bumps, just stay on the edge of the trail. The people causing the problem always ride right up the middle of the trail. Just a little left or right and it is still smoooooth........ :)
As much as I would like to see more berms, I would also agree that it won't solve the problem (not sure armoring will either). Look at the berm on the intermediate (right before it dumps into the x entrance/xx exit) - there are braking bumps before that berm which can be railed at full speed with NO need to brake.
Not sure if you guys noticed this - but if you want to avoid the braking bumps, just stay on the edge of the trail. The people causing the problem always ride right up the middle of the trail. Just a little left or right and it is still smoooooth........ :)
and that is how the trail gets wider, b/c pretty soon everyone is doing that to avoid the bumps!
Everyone seems to be saying the same thing, the rocks will just move the bumps up the trail, Berms together with some armoring together with some re-routing seem to be the solution, but never know unless it is tried!!! That sounds like a ton of work though to! nice thing is the trouble spots seem to be in areas with little of no under brush, which kinda makes it easier!
I know berms wouldn't solve it but if I were a newb, and I once was, I would be way more confident to hit a berm at speed then a flat corner! lolz!
L8R
Buck
dennis porter
08-09-2005, 10:53 AM
I've seen at Buck Hill race course that running the course in different directions the brake bumps get knocked down. I realize that requires alot of signage changes and many other issues but it seemed to work out at Buck Hill. Just a thought.
soupboy
08-09-2005, 11:44 AM
thing is my 29er wheels roll the bumps oh so smoothly.
26" wheeled suckahs.
destrago
08-09-2005, 11:53 AM
29ers make them easier, but when I was out there on Sunday, both Matt K. and I were on 29ers and they were still pretty nasty. I'd hate to see what that ride would have been like on a my rockhopper, that might have hurt... a lot.
-tony
hahaha,
I run 2-4s and have no problem what so ever, actually I am feeling so full of energy that I am going to head over to LHs right now, I would be there btw 12:30 and 1:00 if anyone wants to meet up.
L8R
Buck
soupboy
08-09-2005, 03:19 PM
but you're also riding a LT Horst link FS bike with fatties. Little different on a HT with 2.0s!
Wish I could have ridden today...
hahaha,
I run 2-4s and have no problem what so ever, actually I am feeling so full of energy that I am going to head over to LHs right now, I would be there btw 12:30 and 1:00 if anyone wants to meet up.
but you're also riding a LT Horst link FS bike with fatties. Little different on a HT with 2.0s!
Wish I could have ridden today...
Actually just got back, yeah I am riding all those things ain't it great??? some of the bumps are becoming big enough to leave them as jumps that you can pump through! THe trail has a couple wet spots otherwise it was money...trail was uber tacky and fast, quite a few people out there this afternoon...I see leave the bumps to hell with 'em! They are fun!
L8R
Buck
TastyFunk
08-23-2005, 10:04 PM
My Eagle Project will be armoring a fairly long section of the very DH you are talking about.
This may be a bit vague, but it's the final stretch of DH before it flattens out and starts to climb. There's some bad braking bumps as you come around the tree, and thats where I'll be rock armoring.
I'm still working out the dates with John but it's looking to be late september.
soupboy
08-23-2005, 10:39 PM
...that section has the worst bumps as it also has the greatest potential for velocity. I just don't brake there anymore!
My only concern with armoring that section is how much traction will be lost on rocks on the LH there vs. bumpy dirt... Part of me thinks that bumpy dirt is better than armoring - especially when damp.
My Eagle Project will be armoring a fairly long section of the very DH you are talking about.
This may be a bit vague, but it's the final stretch of DH before it flattens out and starts to climb. There's some bad braking bumps as you come around the tree, and thats where I'll be rock armoring.
I'm still working out the dates with John but it's looking to be late september.
stoneage
08-23-2005, 10:47 PM
What braking bumps?
soupboy
08-23-2005, 10:50 PM
...last I heard you don't even have brake levers...;)
What braking bumps?
Saw the Braking Bump Buster out tonight...
Thanks Bob!! It was a lot better. :)
stoneage
08-24-2005, 06:57 AM
...last I heard you don't even have brake levers...
...exactly...
TastyFunk
09-01-2005, 01:50 PM
Part of me thinks that bumpy dirt is better than armoring - especially when damp.
The rocks I'm planning to put in are flat, rough flagstone. They're not slick at all. They'll have plenty of traction.
Also, you shouldn't ride if it's too wet anyway :D
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