The 2nd Annual Ghetto Group Ride!

[Trevize1138]

Will not happen this year ...









... until I finish that damn patio, that is! :banana:

I'm well on my way there, though. Yesterday I had 4 1/2 tons (3 cubic yards) of gravel dumped on my driveway, then spent the rest of the evening transporting that to the pit for the patio and leveling that all out. By noon, I should have 2 1/3 cubic yards of sand dumped where the gravel used to be.

Tonight's trail work and MOCA meeting night, so I won't be able to do anything, but I'm hoping to rent the tamper and get that done Thursday with a possibility of having enough time to put in the edging. Then it's a matter of putting the sand in there and leveling that out. Hopefully, I'll have that all done by Friday night.

That leaves this weekend for brick laying! Even if I don't get edging/sand done by Friday night, I should have plenty of time for that this weekend with room to spare for the bricks. Once that's done, I'll post here with a date for the Ghetto Group Ride and BBQ!

[mara]

Yippee! I missed the carnage last year. I will not make such a silly mistake again.

[thebionicman]

Sounds good. I thought I might have to step up to the plate, but my place of residents is in a much more carnage state than yours.

Keep us posted.

Edit: Need to remember to drop beer off before trying to ride there with a case of bottles.

[manual63]

It's going to take some delicate planning. There are a lot of weekend events coming up. So let's make sure and plan this ride so many can attend.....:)

It was a lot of fun last year.

[Trevize1138]

I'm tentatively thinking Saturday, Aug 13. Any conflicts? Anyone?

[mara]

I'm tentatively thinking Saturday, Aug 13. Any conflicts? Anyone?

Ooh, me! Me! Wait, this isn't a good thing. Me anyway. :cryin:

[manual63]

This is the Steeplechase grand opening Buck just posted about. Might be worth it to be there and give my BigHit some use.....:)

[Trevize1138]

Well ... that leaves ... uh ...

This weekend I'm building the damn thing, of course. Next weekend I'm in Ohio. Weekend after that is Steeplechase grand opening, after that is my wife's HS reunion, after that is Afton (unless people are willing to ride again that Sunday the 28th). Then there's Labor Day, the MTB Summit ... Uh ...

How's Saturday, Sept 17th looking for everyone? :D

EDIT: Or, wait! Why not Sunday, Aug 14th? :)

[mara]

Have you considered Sunday? I know you have such a long commute Monday morning, but the suffering would be for such a good cause. :D

[mara]

Unfair! Editing is way faster than typing a new reply. Stop stealing my brilliant ideas! :mad:

[Trevize1138]

OK! :) Sunday the 14th, then ... (tentatively)

[ryno lite]

Damn, it was fun last year, but I'll be hanging out in Alaska. Have fun!

[ppgc]

err. I must be new. :) What is this?

[Trevize1138]

err. I must be new. :) What is this?

Nothing more than a group ride from my house just south of Lake St. and just East of 35W up to Theo Wirth and back. On the way we hit Cedar and Brownie, of course.

When we get back it's BBQ and beer time, though. I never thought of it as much of anything special last year, but people kept asking me "Are you doing another Ghetto Group Ride this year? Huh? Huh?"

The ride's not much different from what you get out of a Kenwood Monday night ride, but you get BBQ and beer at the end of it! (please BYOB&BBQ :) ). I'll get my usual 3lbs of hamburger and a box of veggie burgers for you communists out there, but to be sure you won't go hungry it's always a good idea to bring something, too.

And, the ride's very very ghetto. Not really so much the neighborhood anymore, it used to be more ghetto 5 or 10 years ago, but it's a big group ride that starts from a place where you'll have to park on a crowded steet if you drive and minimal room for people and bikes in my back yard. But, somehow people had fun last year and wanted another one.

[syntaxjunkie]

ride with drinkers.

drink with riders.

this logic is infallibly bulletproof.

i may have to emerge from my heavily armed compound on the isle of wight and appear amidst the madding crowd...

[manual63]

Well, I think I can do that Sunday.

Boca burger anyone??....oh, and beer!!

[noise_is_life]

I was thinking I could go, and was going to verify with the wife, but I just remembered that is our anniversery weekend, so...

[TML]

Sweet. I may actuall be able to make this one. I have to start thinking of what I'll bring. Hmm. . .

[Trevize1138]

I was thinking I could go, and was going to verify with the wife, but I just remembered that is our anniversery weekend, so...

So, you're *definitely* coming with the wife. That's what you're saying, right? :)

If you can't do the ride, bring her and Pat Jr. on by for BBQ and beer at least!

[KleinCrazy]

I should also be able to make it to this one no problem.


If I can talk Mara into letting me use her BOB I might haul over a Keg of Cherry Wit Homebrew.


How does that sound?

[Trevize1138]

If I can talk Mara into letting me use her BOB I might haul over a Keg of Cherry Wit Homebrew.


How does that sound?

Don't you, like, own a station wagon? Seems to me those have more storage capacity than a BoB trailer :crazy:

But, yeah, homebrew is always good!

[KleinCrazy]

Don't you, like, own a station wagon? Seems to me those have more storage capacity than a BoB trailer :crazy:

But, yeah, homebrew is always good!

Sorry after seeing how much gas was actually bought this weekend and how much it cost, I am trying to figure out how I can do better at using the bike.

Plus, I will by that time have 3 singles and a geary to choose from...

[Trevize1138]

Sorry after seeing how much gas was actually bought this weekend and how much it cost, I am trying to figure out how I can do better at using the bike.

Plus, I will by that time have 3 singles and a geary to choose from...

Well, if Mara's is in use at that time hauling her own stash of stuff, you can always use my Yakima Big Tow. :)

PATIO NEWS:

Yesterday I had 2 1/3 cubic yards of sand dumped into my driveway. I then bought enough landsaper's cloth to cover the gravel to help curb weed growth. This morning I purchased all the plastic edging I need and reserved my rental of a plate tamper for 4 p.m. tomorrow. That means I need to get the sand in place and reasonably level by tonight so I can tamp it all down tomorrow afternoon.

Then, screed it with a 2X4 to make it all completey level and I'll have all weekend to lay bricks! :banana:

[tedsti]

Patio hijack -

I could be wrong but I think it is more important to tamp the class 5 than the sand. Class 5 is designed to pack down hard, sand won't. Also an easy way to get the sand level it to just lay 1" PVC pipes on top of the class 5.

Well, if Mara's is in use at that time hauling her own stash of stuff, you can always use my Yakima Big Tow. :)

PATIO NEWS:

Yesterday I had 2 1/3 cubic yards of sand dumped into my driveway. I then bought enough landsaper's cloth to cover the gravel to help curb weed growth. This morning I purchased all the plastic edging I need and reserved my rental of a plate tamper for 4 p.m. tomorrow. That means I need to get the sand in place and reasonably level by tonight so I can tamp it all down tomorrow afternoon.

Then, screed it with a 2X4 to make it all completey level and I'll have all weekend to lay bricks! :banana:

[Trevize1138]

Patio hijack -

I could be wrong but I think it is more important to tamp the class 5 than the sand. Class 5 is designed to pack down hard, sand won't. Also an easy way to get the sand level it to just lay 1" PVC pipes on top of the class 5.

Hmm ... not so according to the friendly hardware man at Ace. He said sand and class 5 both pack down quite well and the only reason you don't want to use all sand and not class 5 for your base is that sand costs more. =)

In lieu of 1'' PVC pipes, though, I'm using extra edging on top of the class 5 to level things. I got a plan! :)

[tedsti]

Class 5 is a mix of many sizes of gravel so that they will bed together and pack well. The class 5 is the solid foundation for the patio. Since class 5 will pack tight, it does not drain well.
The sand that you use on top is all one size and therefore does not pack well. The sand layer is not supposed to pack down so that there are voids for good water drainage.

http://www.snapedgeusa.com/install.htm
http://www.pacificpavingstone.com/paving-stones.html

Patio town has free classes on paver patio installation. I would double check on what the guy at Ace said. This is a big project to mess up the foundation on. I would just hate to see all that hard work not turn out as solid as it can be.

Hmm ... not so according to the friendly hardware man at Ace. He said sand and class 5 both pack down quite well and the only reason you don't want to use all sand and not class 5 for your base is that sand costs more. =)

In lieu of 1'' PVC pipes, though, I'm using extra edging on top of the class 5 to level things. I got a plan! :)

[phaberman1]

I must agree with Ted. I put in paver patios for a living and too much sand, although OK in the short run, may not hold up in the long run, especially under a drip line or similar water draining areas. I personally use 3/4 inch conduit pipes (which cost under $2 each) on top of the class five and screed the sand off of that. I have been hired to re-do patios that have shifted greatly and usually find a large amount of sand and very little, if not zero class five ander the pavers. The places I get my materials, sand actually costs LESS than class five. Good Luck.

[TML]

What Ted said.

I would definitely pack the class 5 by itself. Then if you want to try and pack the sand on top of it, go ahead, but trying to pack dry, clean sand is about as productive as pushing a rope.

At any rate, have fun with it Chris, and I'm sure it'll turn out awesome!

[mara]

If I can talk Mara into letting me use her BOB I might haul over a Keg of Cherry Wit Homebrew.

Yes, you can use my Bob. I am lucky enough to be attending a work event that night and won't be able to make it. The ghetto bike gods are against me on this one :hit:

[Trevize1138]

Troy, Paul, Ted and all you b&*%$!!@!!!es ...

*sigh* ... I hate you all. Yeah, I started to see how "packing" sand may not be quite what it's cracked up to be. I did water down the class 5 after I leveled it pretty decently, and then it seemed to firm up nicely in just a day.

Looks like I'm using about two inches of sand. My plan is to actually go the hard route now, especially as I decided to go ahead and dump sand on the class 5 tonight! =) I put a layer of landscaper's cloth on top the the class 5, too, just to keep the weeds at bay.

I'm now carefully mesuring strips of plastic edging that I'm using in the middle of the patio to screed off of. The strips are 2 inches tall, so it seems about right. Plan to put the bricks down in strips along these rows of edging one row at a time. I'm going to buy a hand tamper, tamp one 5x2 ft space at a time, top it off with sand again, then lay bricks on top of that.

Does that sound like a good plan, or should I bite the bullet, dig out all the sand I've just put down and use a machine tamper to pack in the class 5?

[Thewavebb]

Troy, Paul, Ted and all you b&*%$!!@!!!es ...

*sigh* ... I hate you all. Yeah, I started to see how "packing" sand may not be quite what it's cracked up to be. I did water down the class 5 after I leveled it pretty decently, and then it seemed to firm up nicely in just a day.

Looks like I'm using about two inches of sand. My plan is to actually go the hard route now, especially as I decided to go ahead and dump sand on the class 5 tonight! =) I put a layer of landscaper's cloth on top the the class 5, too, just to keep the weeds at bay.

I'm now carefully mesuring strips of plastic edging that I'm using in the middle of the patio to screed off of. The strips are 2 inches tall, so it seems about right. Plan to put the bricks down in strips along these rows of edging one row at a time. I'm going to buy a hand tamper, tamp one 5x2 ft space at a time, top it off with sand again, then lay bricks on top of that. We always would rip on the "homeowner specials" that clients had and we had to pull out and redo

Does that sound like a good plan, or should I bite the bullet, dig out all the sand I've just put down and use a machine tamper to pack in the class 5?

I have done my fair share of paverbrick driveways and patios and as a rule of thumb I machine tamp the crap out of each layer of 3/4 minus i lay down and then tamp the whole thing after all the layers are down. Everything should be nearly level to the grade you want so you at the most should use 1/2 inch of sand when laying the pavers. Becarefull with using to much sand as you will have a fair amount of shifting next year. Like the others said, screed that sand smooth on top of 1/2 inch or 3/4 piping and you should be game.

[phaberman1]

I think you would be well served by packing the class 5 with a plate tamper before putting down any sand. It may seem like a lot of work right now, since you have sand down already, but it isn't as much work as tearing out the whole thing in a couple of years to do it over again. You will be glad you did it.



Troy, Paul, Ted and all you b&*%$!!@!!!es ...

*sigh* ... I hate you all. Yeah, I started to see how "packing" sand may not be quite what it's cracked up to be. I did water down the class 5 after I leveled it pretty decently, and then it seemed to firm up nicely in just a day.

Looks like I'm using about two inches of sand. My plan is to actually go the hard route now, especially as I decided to go ahead and dump sand on the class 5 tonight! =) I put a layer of landscaper's cloth on top the the class 5, too, just to keep the weeds at bay.

I'm now carefully mesuring strips of plastic edging that I'm using in the middle of the patio to screed off of. The strips are 2 inches tall, so it seems about right. Plan to put the bricks down in strips along these rows of edging one row at a time. I'm going to buy a hand tamper, tamp one 5x2 ft space at a time, top it off with sand again, then lay bricks on top of that.

Does that sound like a good plan, or should I bite the bullet, dig out all the sand I've just put down and use a machine tamper to pack in the class 5?

[Trevize1138]

Yeah, I decided I'll go ahead and do that. If I do tamp down the class 5 with the plate tamper today, is it sill OK to use 2 - 2 1/2 inches of sand on top of that before the bricks? Should I purchase enough for another 1 - 1 1/2 inches of class 5 first so I'm not using quite as much sand? Please say "no, you don't have to" :)

[phaberman1]

You could probably get by with using a couple inches of sand. It's not ideal, but as long as it is not a driveway you might be alright. After the bricks are laid and all of the edging is in you must run the plate tamper over the whole works a few times to pack the sand under the pavers as much as possible. Also spread sand over the top of the pavers while doing this so sand will fill the joints completely. Good Luck

[TML]

Should I purchase enough for another 1 - 1 1/2 inches of class 5 first so I'm not using quite as much sand? Please say "no, you don't have to" :)

This is whrere my expertise comes to an end. But, unfortunately, I'm guessing that Paul and Ben would say go with the extra 11/2" of Class 5 to get yourself up to grade rather than the sand.

Chris, if it helps, I'd like you to do this- As your toiling away, just imagine Paul, Ted, Ben and I standing around the edge of your patio, elbows cocked, beer in hand, lending our moral support. ;)

[Thewavebb]

This is whrere my expertise comes to an end. But, unfortunately, I'm guessing that Paul and Ben would say go with the extra 11/2" of Class 5 to get yourself up to grade rather than the sand.

Chris, if it helps, I'd like you to do this- As your toiling away, just imagine Paul, Ted, Ben and I standing around the edge of your patio, elbows cocked, beer in hand, lending our moral support. ;)

Dont forget the shovel in the other hand. A real Landscaper holds a shovel in one hand when they are just standing around.

I'm a prefectionist when it comes to patios and stuff like that. The more sand you use the more likely you are to have some wierd shifting. However, like paul said, ifyou plate tamp the whole thing after you have your pavers set and snap edging down you will smooth them out a little. Also, make sure you broom/wash some sand into the cracks between the pavers after your done tamping. This helps lock them in. Also just to make sure you avoid a big mess, you must have all your snap edging in before you tamp your pavers. Otherwise everything will spread out and you'll need a couple beers to calm down.

[Trevize1138]

So! Looks like I've got one vote for buying more class 5, working harder, delaying the project and spending a little more money ... and two votes in favor of the easier way out of using as much sand as I am now and just tamp the bricks once it's done.

It's not only democratic, it's convenient! God bless America!

Is it bad to put in the edging just before I put the last, outer line of brick in place? I'm guessing this would be OK as long as, as you said, I have the edging in place before tamping the pavers. :)

[Trevize1138]

Another question to get you guys thinking: tamping bare sand is like pushing a rope, as Troy already said. But, do I necessarily have to scoop the sand out-of-the way to tamp tonight? I mean, it may just sift the sand around, but would it ultimately do the job of tamping the class 5 underneath? Just trying to be lazy again :crazy:

[Thewavebb]

the sand acts sorta like a buffer when tamping. soooo.....if it was my patio, i would remove the sand and do it right now so next year I dont have to pull up sections of pavers that sank. your call as it is your patio. To answer question about the snap edging, just make sure its all in when your tamping. No reason to have it in before hand really.

[Kosk]

I think you should just scrap the whole project, call it a complete failure, leave everything in a big pile and just build a deck over the whole thing instead. I mean, seriously, decks are soooo way cooler than patios.

[EmL34]

Seen that Simpson's episode when he tries to make a bbq pit?

[Thewavebb]

Seen that Simpson's episode when he tries to make a bbq pit?

And makes an "outsiders" art piece and becomes an artist. That was an excellent episode.

[Trevize1138]

I think you should just scrap the whole project, call it a complete failure, leave everything in a big pile and just build a deck over the whole thing instead. I mean, seriously, decks are soooo way cooler than patios.

OK, you stad under the pile as I dump it and ... ;)

[Thewavebb]

You better take a pic and post it once its all done so we can see how it turned out.

[Trevize1138]

You better take a pic and post it once its all done so we can see how it turned out.

How 'bout you show up to the group ride and see it then? OOh! Back on topic, baby! :banana:

[Trevize1138]

Believe it or not, the patio is done, baby! We laid the last bricks before noon today.

Holy crap, what a job. I took everyone's advice and Friday shoveled all the sand into a pile in the middle so I could use the tamper to compact the class 5 under that. I moved the pile over after packing all around and packed where the pile used to be.

Once that was done, my wife and I spread the sand around, I laid three strips of border down the middle, I screeded the sand down one of the middle strips and we started laying bricks! The border I laid down to screed off of didn't seem as straight as I wanted, but we just sort of adjusted the bricks here and there around that ... of course, that meant some pretty major gaps here and there and even a few long strips where the bricks were heaved up a bit because they were sitting on the border not the sand and ...

CRAP! Uh ... that was Friday afternoon, and Saturday morning Reese cautiously suggested to me we take a different approach to screeding and laying of the bricks. I saw her point, agreed and ... *sigh* ... started taking up the row-and-a-half of bricks we'd laid the afternoon before so we could do it right (5 rows of the patern I designed total for the patio, mind you.)

I laid down the border, measured several times, got it right and by 2 p.m. we were laying bricks again! It worked much better, and I still used some of the border material to screed but set it out a few feet from the end of the rows we were putting down. I would then pull up the border, set it out another length and screed the next row. We got 3 of 5 rows done by yesterday at 7. This morning, with the help of some friends staying from out-of-town (that'll teach 'em to get a hotel! Heh heh) we got the last two down! Now, for the rest of the week, it's sweeping sand time. Sweep sand into those cracks and then after next weekend when we're back from my family reunion I'll rent the tamper again and we'll pack it all together.

So, roughly 1 inch of small rock, 3 inches of class 5, 2 inches of sand and 2 1/4 inch-tall bricks on top of that. We'll be sure to pack in the edges not bordered by the concrete walkway before packing, but 2 out of 3 experienced MORC landscapers say 2 inches done right should work just fine! :)

Pictures:

http://www.planetquake.com/sven/images/patio/reeseatwork.jpg
My wife helps with the ground breaking back in May

http://www.planetquake.com/sven/images/patio/borishelping.jpg
My big American Bulldog Boris helps take off the layer of sod. That sod
never grew any grass (as you can see) so the patio is a better solution.

http://www.planetquake.com/sven/images/patio/class5.jpg
Thanks to our friend procrastination, it took May, June and July before
the whole 15X20ft area got dug out 8 inches deep and we put the Cass
5 in. This picture was just this past Tuesday.

http://www.planetquake.com/sven/images/patio/25thsdone.jpg
Doing it the right way we got the first 2/5 of it done in pretty short
order.

http://www.planetquake.com/sven/images/patio/bulldogapprove1.jpg
Done! Boris is here enjoying the fruits of his labors.

http://www.planetquake.com/sven/images/patio/bulldogapprove2.jpg
Boris and Natasha are happy their banishment from the back yard from
this past week is now finally lifted. Note the size of the brick pile in this
photo as compared to earlier!

[TML]

Looks nice Chris! It's pretty dang good size. Lot bigger than I was imagining. No wonder you didn't want to pull all the sand back off.

Nice work you guys.

[noise_is_life]

Looks great Chris, but I'm not sure if it inspires or discourages me from doing a project like that.

[Trevize1138]

Looks great Chris, but I'm not sure if it inspires or discourages me from doing a project like that.

If you've never done one by yourself before, you just have to try it.

That way, you'll have enough experience to know better than attempt something like it in the future! :)

[Trevize1138]

Looks nice Chris! It's pretty dang good size. Lot bigger than I was imagining. No wonder you didn't want to pull all the sand back off.

Nice work you guys.

Yeah, it's kinda huge. Looking back I was wondering if I should have started with something 1/2 that size and then just added the other 1/2 later. But, that may have been more trouble than it was worth, too.

What do you think about the sand depth, Troy? Two inches were put down before the bricks went on and it seemed like the bricks all sank about 1/4 inch below that (judging by how they sank in relation to the 2 inch edging.) If we pack the edges really good and then go over it with the plate vibrator (after a week of sweeping sand over it, of course), should it be good for the long haul?

[TML]

What do you think about the sand depth, Troy? Two inches were put down before the bricks went on and it seemed like the bricks all sank about 1/4 inch below that (judging by how they sank in relation to the 2 inch edging.) If we pack the edges really good and then go over it with the plate vibrator (after a week of sweeping sand over it, of course), should it be good for the long haul?

I think you'll be pretty good. Looks like you have the brick together nice and tight also, that will help. Make sure and get the sand swept really well into the cracks. Tamp it good, and you'll probably be able to sweep more sand in after tamping. Then you should be all set. It should hold up nicely. Get all your backfill around the edges tamped in good as well. I'm looking forward to helping break it in. :)

[Trevize1138]

I think you'll be pretty good. Looks like you have the brick together nice and tight also, that will help. Make sure and get the sand swept really well into the cracks. Tamp it good, and you'll probably be able to sweep more sand in after tamping. Then you should be all set. It should hold up nicely. Get all your backfill around the edges tamped in good as well. I'm looking forward to helping break it in. :)

How much should I be sweeping sand into the cracks before tamping? I've already swept a good two or three wheelbarrow loads of sand across it over the past couple days (just got done with today's sweeping) and then I watered it all down (holding the stream of water above it so it would all fall on the bricks, not spray across so the sand gets blasted out!) Sand from yesterday definitely fell further through the cracks, so I just put even more in there today. How many more days of that before it's safe to plate tamp it?

Plate tamping the backfill around the edges may be problematic. Not quite enough room there. I'm thinking of spending $20 on one of those hand tampers for that. I'm sure I can actually do that any time, come to think of it.

Damn, that thing looks really NICE after being wetted down! :banana:

[phaberman1]

I would tamp it ASAP. What works best is to have one person run the tamper back and forth across the patio and one person with a push broom folllowing to sweep sand into the cracks that open up when the tamper goes by. You should go over the whole thing at least three times or more. As many times as it takes for all joints to fill up. I wouldn't spend any more time spreading any more sand around until you have that tamper at the ready. No need.

[Trevize1138]

Good to know! Thanks :) So, if I rent the tamper tonight, tamp it, sweep sand into the cracks ... can I safely move my patio furniture onto it and start using it? :shocked:

[TML]

Good to know! Thanks :) So, if I rent the tamper tonight, tamp it, sweep sand into the cracks ... can I safely move my patio furniture onto it and start using it? :shocked:

Sounds like a plan!

[Trevize1138]

Sounds like a plan!

I have more love for you guys right now than any heterosexual man legally should.

[Trevize1138]

My impulse control is so bad. Good thing for me I work from home!

Tamped. Swept. Patio furniture, gas and charcoal grills moved in place. WOOT!!!

[Trevize1138]

And a bump. Just a reminder that this is happening on Sunday, Aug. 14 starting at 1 p.m.!

Some of you who were in attendance last year perhaps remember where my house is. The rest of you, PM me for info!

Beer, BBQ (doesn't have to be beer and doesn't have to be meat, if you wish) but not until we ride Cedar, Brownie, Theo and back!

Just did some work this morning sitting on my patio. Had my bulldogs chasing each other full-speed in circles around me at the table. Hilarious!

[TML]

Just did some work this morning sitting on my patio. Had my bulldogs chasing each other full-speed in circles around me at the table. Hilarious!

They were pre-running the derby course. :D

[Trevize1138]

They were pre-running the derby course. :D

Ooh ... bulldog derby!!! :banana:

[Trevize1138]

Another bump, another reminder. :)

Please PM me for details on this ride which happens at 1 p.m. this Sunday, Aug. 14 at my house. Address and cell phone provided via PM.

[Trevize1138]

Got the standard "What should I bring?" question.

BYO ...

... refreshments
... food
... chairs (if you are driving to the ride rather than riding, and in that case bring two just to make sure we have enough seating).

[TML]

Hey everyone- (except Chris)

Just before you leave his place, quietly snatch a brick out of his patio and take it home with you as a souvenier of the day. ;):D He'll think its really funny.

[Trevize1138]

I have a better idea: no.

[syntaxjunkie]

BYO ...
... refreshments
... food
... chairs (if you are driving to the ride rather than riding, and in that case bring two just to make sure we have enough seating).

Cool. I'm assuming anything grillable is fair game. I'll cut a wide swath through the animal kingdom on my shopping trip later today. And pick up a bottle of sumthin' hurtful ta boot.

Chairs? I may own some. If you're not careul, I may donate them to you. If'n we decide to drive, I'll bring a pair for me and my buddy Matt. He's a good guy. Please don't hold me against him. Figuratively or literally.

[Tetreves]

Got the standard "What should I bring?" question.

BYO ...

... refreshments
... food
... chairs (if you are driving to the ride rather than riding, and in that case bring two just to make sure we have enough seating).

Can I bring Summit? (the dog named after a mountain [Mont Blanc], not the beer)

[FSSS]

Ghettto Riders - I'll be out with the Info Tent at Theo Wirth Pkwy and Hwy 55 (not Glenwood) from 11-3 today - stop by on your ride!


tp

[manual63]

Ryan kept up his promise. He gave me the two rolls of duct tape he promised me if I cleared the tree at hillside. The best part is that he even added a mousy bonus, which was not part of the deal, but hey....I can't complain about a little extra.....:)

Thanks Ryan.

Oh, and the Ghetto group ride was a blast, I did it all on my BigHit.....a lot of work, but a lot of fun. Thanks to all of you who came, rode, and drink.

[TML]

Thanks for hosting Chris and Reese. A good time was had! :D

[syntaxjunkie]

Thanks to Chris (and Reese) for hosting the ride and subsequent relaxation, conflagration and inebriation. A good time, indeed.

A brief survey of bikes participating in the ride indicates that those of us who showed up on geared hardtails brought approximately 26 unnecessary gears and 3-4 inches of superfluous suspension. Shad one-upped us by bringing about 16 inches of superfluous suspension, but since he rode sans lid on a bike weighing as much as a small camel, it all evened out.

My friend Matthew edged out Shad for the title of of "Most Obvious Injury Sustained" for his off-target launch from and susbsequent overcompensation after the first of the rolling triples. He also beat Ed for "Most Mechanicals," with a near terminal case of chain suck (see previous award) and a flat.

James Ford won the "Best Contribution to Post-ride Feast" category hands-down, with his combination of homebrew, guac and pickled greenbeans, most of which I am unfortunately allergic to.

And in an ironic twist, Chris Druckenmiller took home both the "Most Patriotic" and "Most Gay" bike decoration trophies with his red, white and blue streamers, finishing just ahead of Troy's flaming purple but ultimately more manly rigid singlespeed.

[Trevize1138]

Thanks for comin' out, guys! Sorry to those of you out there who PMed me for address and phone number when I didn't get back to you. Hectic weekend for me on top of hosting the ride/BBQ. :( I'll have to make it up to everyone next year.

Oh, and Charles, you left two bottles at my house: one for water and the other for some room-temperature, non-carbonated refreshment that was the same color as beer :). You can stop by any time to pick them up unless you would like delivery.

[KleinCrazy]

Great ride all,


I would like to thank all those that helped keep me out of trouble and sending me home with 2 gallons less beer than I brought.

This was the new rides first trip on singletrack and I must say, it was a whole lot of fun (I just should have run a little wimpier of gear...ack me legs hurt)

I did come to the conclusion that I Really need new tires as I was loosing track both front and rear every time I turned.

Thanks again Chris and Reese for hosting the party and Boris and Natasha for keeping us entertained.

Hopfully none of my food caused lasting damage to anyone (even if that was the point). I will remember to double the size of the Guac next time.

L8er
James

[Trevize1138]

mmm ... Guac! :banana:

[syntaxjunkie]

Oh, and Charles, you left two bottles at my house: one for water and the other for some room-temperature, non-carbonated refreshment that was the same color as beer :). You can stop by any time to pick them up unless you would like delivery.

I believe the latter bottle likely contributed to my forgetfulness.

Helps yourself to its contents if you wish. It also kills weeds. And damn near everything else.

I'll swing by and grab the water bottle sometime this week.

[KleinCrazy]

I believe the latter bottle likely contributed to my forgetfulness.


I think that bottle contributed to be getting home and falling asleep by 7pm and not waking up until a call from work at 3:30am. So I was able to get a good nights sleep and still go in real early to work....though My HEAD was reminding why I could do it...

Thanks for bringing that tasty elixer Charles. I haven't had more than 3 hours of sleep a night since June.

[Trevize1138]

I believe the latter bottle likely contributed to my forgetfulness.

Helps yourself to its contents if you wish. It also kills weeds. And damn near everything else.

I'll swing by and grab the water bottle sometime this week.

Give to me phone call before tomorrow after work. I'm Iowa-bound then! :)

[syntaxjunkie]

Give to me phone call before tomorrow after work. I'm Iowa-bound then! :)
May have to be post-Iowa then. This week is a tsunami and I am the Indonesian coast.

[Tetreves]

Give to me phone call before tomorrow after work. I'm Iowa-bound then! :)

You're SUPPOSED to wake up sober the next morning. Guess it doesn't work for all you alkies....:D