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thebionicman
07-18-2005, 09:03 AM
From http://marshallindependent.com/archives/stories/2005/July2005/071605.html

Trail of the tape

By Carl Nelson
Independent Staff Writer

CAMDEN STATE PARK — The wheels are turning to update and add additional area to the mountain biking trails at Camden State Park.
Planning took place Friday with the International Mountain Bicycling Association representatives, state park staff and mountain biking enthusiasts from the area.
Bikers might see trail improvements as early as the Camden Classic mountain bike race, but other parts of the project will continue into the future.
The cost for the project is $5,000 to $7,000 a mile and will be defrayed through fund raising, grant money, federal gas tax revenue and volunteer labor by enthusiasts in the area.
Tim Wegner of Rosemont and Erik Gerrits of St. Louis Park are representatives from the IMBA with expertise in trail-building.
The two guided assistant park ranger Elizabeth Murray of Lynd, and Chris Bussman, Tom Hoff, and Erik Sueker of Marshall through potential biking routes. Flagging the route is one of the first steps, but existing trails will be improved before new additions are cut.
The plan has been in the works for about a year, said Wegner.
Wegner met with Courtland Nelson, director of division of DNR Parks and Recreation to discuss the need for mountain biking trails in this area.
“There’s no place between Mankato and Rapid City with a good (mountain biking) trail system,” Wegner said.
Additional trails in the park will be geared for biking, and more nature intimate hiking, he added.
At 24-inches in width, the goal is 14 miles of interconnected trail at Camden.
“Two hours is considered a good ride,” said Wegner. The majority of the trail will be designed for seven to eight miles-per-hour speeds, he added.
“People who aren’t mountain bikers think that they come screaming down hills, but speed controls will be designed,” he said.
For Wegner, most of the planning doesn’t involve the biking, but more consideration for designing the trail to be hydrologically invisible.
When rain falls, it comes in sheets, and flows down a hill in a similar way, he said.
“What we don’t want is the rain gaining velocity off the trail,” Wegner said.
The velocity would mean more erosion and degradation of the trail and natural resources around it over time. There will be no removal of significant trees, Wegner added.
To guard against erosion, Wegner and Gerrits discussed hill grades with Bussman, Hoff, Murray and Sueker. All four have attended trail classes.
“There’s a science to this, and doing it right up front pays dividends,” said Hoff.
“I’d envisioned just using a brush cutter to make a new trail,” he added.
The trail building involves about 800 labor hours per mile, said Wegner.
Murray said the trail training is helpful in other aspects of the park.
Many trails will be kept in the Camden system, but others will be tweaked, she said. Hazard areas and existing trails will be updated first before new ones will be introduced.
Trails no longer suitable will be reclaimed by nature.
Bussman said conflicts between equestrians and mountain bikers will be addressed with the new designs.
Sueker said the trail planning offers folks a new opportunity to see the undeveloped portions of the park.
With insights into trail building from Wegner and Gerrits, volunteers will continue the labor and development of the multi-use trails.
Mountain bikers in the area are now working on a southern chapter with the Minnesota Off-Road Cyclists group out of the Twin Cities area.
This association will aid members through grant-writing workshops, consulting work and advocacy, said Wegner.
Murray said she feels that improving Camden’s mountain biking trails will attract more visitors.
“I’m hoping it will bring more people to the park and provide more exposure for locals and visitors,” she said.

Reach staff writer Carl Nelson at cnelson@marshallindependent.com

Burke
07-18-2005, 09:45 AM
Nice work!

It looks like things went quite well. Good to see MORC getting a shout out. Any highlights that didn't make the article?

SprocketHead
07-18-2005, 12:22 PM
Camden is a terriffic park, I've been going there for years... Great place to camp, ride, hike and swim!!!

Who knows, maybe this will help pave the way for future MTB trails in other State Parks!

Excellent Job to all of you advocates involved, Thank You!! :) :) :)

..Please post when you need trail workers. I'd like to join you.

FarmerBEN
07-19-2005, 09:08 AM
I've been thinking that converting hiking trails to MTB trail is some of the less popular state parks (Carley by plainview) might be a way to increase interest in them. And bring more people into the state park posse

Buck
07-19-2005, 11:14 PM
I've been thinking that converting hiking trails to MTB trail is some of the less popular state parks (Carley by plainview) might be a way to increase interest in them. And bring more people into the state park posse

hahaha, cool, I live 5 miles from Carley(in Plainview), and routinley ride the trails there, I have run into the local rangers a few times they seem alright with it but officially it is closed to bikes!
L8R
buck

FarmerBEN
07-20-2005, 12:07 PM
hahaha, cool, I live 5 miles from Carley(in Plainview), and routinley ride the trails there, I have run into the local rangers a few times they seem alright with it but officially it is closed to bikes!
L8R
buck

are they pretty nice trails, I've only hiked them and it's been awhile, but they seem like they'd be a pretty nice ride.

thebionicman
07-20-2005, 12:21 PM
I've been thinking that converting hiking trails to MTB trail is some of the less popular state parks (Carley by plainview) might be a way to increase interest in them. And bring more people into the state park posse

Hi Ben,

Camden is a pilot project to get real mountain bike trails into the State Park System. Hopefully things goes well here which will then allow us to build in other State Parks.

axebiker
08-09-2005, 05:42 PM
Camden has been a long-time MTB route, although for the most part, "renegade". Me and a few friends had been riding there since the late 80's. Unfortunately, most trails were made off-limits to bikes, and there was alot of friction in the mid-90's between park staff and local riders - most of it was due to ignorance and lack of respect for park rules. I was working there at the time, and got stuck in the middle. I liked to ride there, but I was also an employee...:D I looked the other way when I could, but you know how that goes... The intersting part was that there were so many worries of the environmental issues caused by the bikes, but if you could have only SEEN what the horses did any time it rained...:eyeroll:

It would be terrific to see this fly. I was planning on taking my bike back with me next time I went back to Marshall for the weekend, as I really miss riding out there. I haven't been there riding in almost a decade.

Good luck guys - you have a big job ahead of you.

SprocketHead
08-10-2005, 07:40 AM
I was thinking of going down for the Race/Festivities and some Camping.

TML
08-10-2005, 08:47 AM
My wife and I have been tossing the idea around as well. James (Kleincrazy) is also thinking of heading down. I've never been there so it'd be cool to check out.

Here's the link to the race info if anyone is interested-

http://www.camdenclassic.net/

SprocketHead
08-10-2005, 10:39 PM
Cool, maybe I'll see you guys there... I recommend the Lower Campground.

The trails are not the tight singletrack were spoiled with here in the cities, but it's a fun park. It has a VERY cold swiming hole near the lower campground.

Should be a fun race, I think Hollywood won it last time,,, ?surprise?

axebiker
08-13-2005, 01:44 PM
It has a VERY cold swiming hole near the lower campground.


No kidding!! Spring fed, baby!! That's where I worked for 3 years as a lifeguard. Good times. People asked why I didn't swim much - because you nearly go into shock when you get in the water!!:shocked:

TML
08-15-2005, 11:11 AM
No kidding!! Spring fed, baby!! That's where I worked for 3 years as a lifeguard. Good times. People asked why I didn't swim much - because you nearly go into shock when you get in the water!!:shocked:

It's good for the trout though. I'll be bringing my fly rod. :)

axebiker
08-15-2005, 09:04 PM
It's good for the trout though. I'll be bringing my fly rod. :)
Not much in the way of trout in that pool - it gets drained each year, and has no natural access to the river. The springs come up out of the ground pretty close to the pool, so there's no fish there either. Lots of frogs and an occasional turtle though. The trout population in the river hasn't been flourishing, although you can run across a dumb one every now & then. It really depends on the water levels and how bad the pollution from the ag run-off has been. Kind of a catch 22 though - no run off when it's not raining, so the pollution is down, but then the water is low. When the water is high, then it's quite muddy and lots of ag pollution - you can't really win. The Redwood hasn't been a very good fishing river in quite some time. I certainly wouldn't eat anything out of the river... I don't know if I'd go out of your way to include the fishing rod. You'd have better luck down the road at Lake Brawner catching panfish and maybe some bass.

TML
08-16-2005, 09:18 AM
Not much in the way of trout in that pool - it gets drained each year, and has no natural access to the river. The springs come up out of the ground pretty close to the pool, so there's no fish there either. Lots of frogs and an occasional turtle though. The trout population in the river hasn't been flourishing, although you can run across a dumb one every now & then. It really depends on the water levels and how bad the pollution from the ag run-off has been. Kind of a catch 22 though - no run off when it's not raining, so the pollution is down, but then the water is low. When the water is high, then it's quite muddy and lots of ag pollution - you can't really win. The Redwood hasn't been a very good fishing river in quite some time. I certainly wouldn't eat anything out of the river... I don't know if I'd go out of your way to include the fishing rod. You'd have better luck down the road at Lake Brawner catching panfish and maybe some bass.

Great info. Thanks Chris. I had just read that the river was a designated trout stream through the park and that they do stock it once in a while. I had now idea what the conditions were like though. I wont be too worried about bringing the rod now. If I think to grab it, cool. If not, no biggie.

Thanks, --Troy

axebiker
08-17-2005, 01:11 PM
Troy - you never know. Like I said, there are a few dumb ones around. Pretty much Brown Trout from what I have seen. It's been pretty dry down there, so I'll bet the river is low. The Redwood just isn't the most trout-friendly river out there any more (it ahs always been a little polluted), but hopefully improving.

Like I said, Lake Brawner is probably a better fishing hole, and it's a newer part of the park about a mile or two from the main park entrance. My Grandpa actually built that lake bakc in the 50's or 60's when they were building highways way back then. It was privately owned until the mid 90's.