Trail Conditions in Detail - Theodore Wirth

[rideharder]

Perfrect. tacky and fast. tons of people out riding this evening.

[stoneage]

Perfrect. tacky and fast. tons of people out riding this evening.
When were you there Stew? I left about 6:30.

[rideharder]

i suppose after leaving the u at 530 and getting two flats before i even got out of DT (thank god oneonone was still open) and then a brownie lap i was most likely entering the south loop at 630 then did two full laps with one including the what i call the Baba black sheep loops i left there about 730

[stoneage]

Baba black sheep loops:crazy2: :crazy2:

[widespot]

The new jump at the end caught me by surprise, almost hurt myself there.

Great conditions at 6 pm Sat.

[jitterjepp]

Can someone post up some photos of the downed tree opening?This is the trunk and the smaller pieces they left. It looked like most of the smaller parts were hollow. The lower trunk looked to be about 20 feet long and solid. And heavy... You couldn't even put that in the back of a 3/4 ton. That thing probably weighs over a ton. How the heck are we going to move it?
http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/500/this0001_6.JPG
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[DmacBmac]

This is the trunk and the smaller pieces they left. It looked like most of the smaller parts were hollow. The lower trunk looked to be about 20 feet long and solid. And heavy... You couldn't even put that in the back of a 3/4 ton. That thing probably weighs over a ton. How the heck are we going to move it?
http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/500/this0001_6.JPG
http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/500/this0001_8.JPG

I guess you may have to enlist the help of larger muscled northern metro riders to move the big stuff with a rock cart and strong backs. If we were permitted to do so.:)

[jitterjepp]

I guess you may have to enlist the help of larger muscled northern metro riders to move the big stuff with a rock cart and strong backs. If we were permitted to do so.:)I thought writing checks and sending them in was the extend of the available labor. :)

[DmacBmac]

You show up for trail work this week and we will both pick up an end. That should satisfy this. What do ya think?:D

[MrBatzloff]

Sorry to interrupt with trail conditions....

The trail was near perfect tonight, very tacky with only a few damp spots on the little loop (south loop?). Even the goat trail's in good shape with no downed trees. I was really surprised there weren't more people out riding this afternoon.

Thanks to everyone who helped remov that giant section of the downed tree. The modified jump caught me by surprise, too. It'll be nice after it smooths out a bit. I appreciate all the hard work.

Ride, have fun! It's about as good as it gets.

[seberly]

Took a couple of laps early Sunday - great conditions as usual.

While riding and observing I got to thinking - WOW - after 7 inches of rain the trail is great - NO erosion - but where you cross the cross country ski trails you can see they are NOT so great - lots of new erosion on the cross country trails in many places. Nice work MOCA/MORC

[DMonkey]

Just wondering if trail will be ridable tonight (if we don't get more rain, so far so good..)

[Trevize1138]

Mostly tacky with a few small puddles. I'm pretty confident the trail won't be any worse off if you ride it this evening. None of the corners are greasy and if it weren't for the very few puddles it'd be about perfect.

[Slimpee]

Mostly tacky with a few small puddles. I'm pretty confident the trail won't be any worse off if you ride it this evening. None of the corners are greasy and if it weren't for the very few puddles it'd be about perfect.

I wasn't sure if it was rideable or not. Chris, i'm almost certain I passed you on my way near Cedar Lake and then I saw another guy that looked like he was coming from Wirth so I wasn't sure if the trails were open. When i got there however, several people told me that it was rideable. I rode slow through the sloppy stuff and had a good ride in general. Nice evening! Well, it was pretty nice except the dog that I almost ran over. It was a cute little white thing but it scared the bejeezus outta me...

[Chug]

Anyone got an update since the massive rain fall the other night????
I have been lazy and have not gone down there for myself.

[THUMP!]

Hoping to get in a quick spin around 3pm, anyone know conditions?

[steef]

I swung by on my way to work. There's a few muddy puddles in the usual spots. It would probably be fine if everyone just bunnyhopped those spots, but that ain't gonna happen. It's possible that those spots will dry up in 6 hours, but I doubt it.

Just because 99% of the trail is dry enough to ride, doesn't mean it's good to go. There were plenty of tracks through and around those puddles, so I know folks have been out there.

[Kingbozo]

I am hoping to sneak over around 5:30 or so

[bpblondie]

anyone have an update on the trail?

[col200]

A few muddy spots last night around 7:30. Overall it was ok. Nothing really sticking to my tire. I'm sure it's pretty good today. Oh yeah, watch out for deer at dusk. I swear I almost ran into 2 of them last night. The third one I saw was a decent sized buck, just staring me down by the jump:hit:

[THUMP!]

A few squishy spots on the end of the South loop but the North loop was tacky and fun!

[syntaxjunkie]

Trail was good today. A little loose in spots, but nothing to complain about.

Just out of curiosity, is it my imagination, or did the kicker for the jump at the end north loop get steeper and/or taller over the past couple weeks?

i've been out of town a lot and haven't been for a ride in awhile. hit the jump on my first lap and ended up with a LOT more air than i bargained for, in a less than ideal riding position. impact was not pretty. ouch.

rode a couple more laps, but my confidence was shot and my ribs hurt. still a beautiful day for a ride, though.

[BikerKitty]

Just out of curiosity, is it my imagination, or did the kicker for the jump at the end north loop get steeper and/or taller over the past couple weeks?



Yup, it got taller. I was warned of it about 20 feet before I hit it (thank god), so I got my usual no air. ;) (Thanks, Shawn!)

Glad to hear you lived through it. Gorgeous day for a ride!

[stoneage]

the kicker for the jump at the end north loop
Surprised me too. Just assumed it was the same. It probably isn't shorter in length, but seemed so. Well overshot the landing and hit the flats, but landed straight and upright.

[syntaxjunkie]

Well overshot the landing and hit the flats, but landed straight and upright.

ditto on "well overshot the landing and hit the flats," but not so much on the "landed straight and upright." gravity charged me a nice little price for my insolence.

[Wheels]

There is a tree down at head level in the area just after you enter the north loop - so watch your head. It's about 6-8" in diameter, so the trail crew should be able to fix it without having to call in the MPRB crew to take care of it.

[Leslie]

anyone know if Theo is open today to ride?

[Chug]

Some out of town buds of mine went down there to see if it was wet or not and said there are a couple small pudles but they were not collecting dirt or macking prints so they road and say it's fine. He is from here and knows when not to ride otherwise.
I guess it's a go, but do not quote me on that.

[Kingbozo]

Was there yesterday. On the North Loop there was a mudpatch right after the big log pile. On the outbound section of the South Loop there was a large, deep puddle a little bit before the qualifier. That one looks bad.

[Chug]

Trail was great yesterday afternoon. Tacky to dry on the North Loop, puddles on the service road, 2 wet (and one bad) spots on the Southern loop.

[RedSquirrel]

Rain missed Theo, or had nil effect. Dry as a bone at lunch today 11:30-12:30.

Trail crew needs moisture to work with....but no moisture at Theo now.

Plently of hidden sand covered ledges to bring you down (home run slider, got a boo boo on my leg today).

Hard and Sandy, Enjoy.

[MikeyB]

Dry as hell and fast as hell.

[manual63]

We need to know if the trails are dry enough for trailwork. We got a lot of rain last night. If it's soft enough and slimy, we will have to cancel trailwork. Basically, if you can check it for us....test to see if you make foot prints and if it's just plain muddy to a point where we can dig without doing more damage than good.

Call me if you can while you are out there. If not, just post up. PM me to get my phone #.

[manual63]

Trails will be okay for trailwork. They are still too wet for riding today. If we don't get any rain, they should be good to ride by tomorrow.

[steef]

I finally got my morning project mostly done.

I'll try to call you around 3:00 from the trail.

[85911]

Trails will be okay for trailwork. They are still too wet for riding today. If we don't get any rain, they should be good to ride by tomorrow.

Looks like no trail ridding tonight.

[MrBatzloff]

Got a good ride in earlier this afternoon, not that it has much relevance now. Trail was nice and tacky, a couple of wet spots but nothing unavoidable. I'm sure that's a different story now...

[THUMP!]

Warm and windy today...anybody know the trail conditions?

[manual63]

I would give it at least 24 hours after all the rain last night. Probably be okay after 5 or so, but someone should verify that if they can.

[Chug]

Some one should check it out. North Side got hit pretty had with the high winds. Trees down all over the place and I heard reports tht the golf course looked something similar to a war zone.
I would guess there may be some tree removal needed.

[steef]

I'll see if I can stop by on my way home tonight, but I may not be able to.

[doc]

The trail itself is in pretty good condition (littered with leaves and small sticks). The problem is there are at least a dozen large blowdowns at various places along the trail. It is going to take a lot of work and chainsaws to bring this one back to passable condition.

[RedSquirrel]

Ever notice when the wind blows the trees get creaky out there. Maybe that won't happen anymore..... My wifff is out there now, sounds like she will hike a bike a bit on her first night ride.

[KristiLinder]

There are a LOT of trees down in Wirth! Will there be people working on the trail tomorrow (Saturday)? I haven't done much trail work and don't have a chain saw that can handle that size of tree, but could help move away branches ...

[manual63]

Too many trees down to even ride. No point in poaching even, you just won't have any fun. Also, please don't make alternate paths around the trees. It's bad, a tornado must have hit there.

We will have the foresters out there to clean it up as soon as we can, but it's a lot of trees and might take some time. Also, do not go out there and clear trees yourselves, let the city do it. Thank you!

[SprocketHead]

Trails are closed until futher notice!!
Too many trees down to even ride. No point in poaching even, you just won't have any fun. Also, please don't make alternate paths around the trees. It's bad, a tornado must have hit there.

We will have the foresters out there to clean it up as soon as we can, but it's a lot of trees and might take some time. Also, do not go out there and clear trees yourselves, let the city do it. Thank you!

...Bump.

I second the motion, I just attempted a ride this morning. It's not worth riding.. There are many trees down. Mainly just north of the tracks.

[Kingbozo]

Too many trees down to even ride. No point in poaching even, you just won't have any fun. Also, please don't make alternate paths around the trees. It's bad, a tornado must have hit there.

We will have the foresters out there to clean it up as soon as we can, but it's a lot of trees and might take some time. Also, do not go out there and clear trees yourselves, let the city do it. Thank you!

You ain't kidding! Looks like a disaster area.

[steef]

Do i foresee a lot of logpiles in the future?

[MrBatzloff]

Do i foresee a lot of logpiles in the future?


Please...No....We already have one Lebanon.

What's nice about Theo is that it offers a solid fast ride. Though I like Lebanon, a lot of the obstacles out there act as speed-killers.

Skill-building is one thing, but with the way theo is currently set up a bunch of log piles would really be too bad.

[Kingbozo]

Please...No....We already have one Lebanon.

What's nice about Theo is that it offers a solid fast ride. Though I like Lebanon, a lot of the obstacles out there act as speed-killers.

Skill-building is one thing, but with the way theo is currently set up a bunch of log piles would really be too bad.

I agree. Let each trail have its own "personality"

[kiano]

Theo is too short to have many technical elements in it.

[DMonkey]

Please...No....We already have one Lebanon.

What's nice about Theo is that it offers a solid fast ride. Though I like Lebanon, a lot of the obstacles out there act as speed-killers.

Skill-building is one thing, but with the way theo is currently set up a bunch of log piles would really be too bad.

Seriously, do you really slow down for the log piles at Theo? I think there is just one log pile on the main loop I slow down for because of the right turn immediately after it.

I understand keeping each trail a bit different, but I would welcome having the options of hitting a harder line - with how short Theo is, it would be great to have more options there.

[MrBatzloff]

No, No, No, I don't slow down for the log piles at THEO. However, if there were the number and type of log piles at theo as there are at lebanon, yes, I would slow down.

I think KingBozo put it best. Let each trail have it's own personality.

[DMonkey]

Theo is too short to have many technical elements in it.

To me that's the point - it is pretty short.
To make it more of a work out by having more challenges - I'm not saying having 2 miles of the rock pile - log overs to me are fun/easy.

Having the optional line is a way to do that, have the main one they have now, then a side line with "fun" stuff.

[Lezgo Cycling]

I would welcome a few more options if they were put them out there....but please NO ROCKS they are my enemy :eyeroll:

[looper]

I rode Theo, or tried to ride there on Saturday as I was unaware of the blowdown. Seems like someone should post a closed sign at the trail head. I noticed a couple of pretty big trees after the first ski trail crossing that were seperated from their trunks but had not yet fallen and were somehow being held up by smaller trees. One in particular is right over the trail and could easily squish someone. Lookout!!!

[THUMP!]

I rode Theo, or tried to ride there on Saturday as I was unaware of the blowdown. Seems like someone should post a closed sign at the trail head. I noticed a couple of pretty big trees after the first ski trail crossing that were seperated from their trunks but had not yet fallen and were somehow being held up by smaller trees. One in particular is right over the trail and could easily squish someone. Lookout!!!

Kinda hard to manage a sign there as it means someone has to get over there and remember to flip it to open. This has definitly been a topic with no really good solution except updating and checking the forums.

[kiano]

How many days does it usually takes the city to clean up a mess of those proportions? I counted at least 12 trees down on Satuday morning. The trail looked in good shape exept for the trees on the way.

[jitterjepp]

How many days does it usually takes the city to clean up a mess of those proportions? I counted at least 12 trees down on Satuday morning. The trail looked in good shape exept for the trees on the way.There are trees down all over the city. They'll probably use their resources to clear the ones on the streets and sidewalks first. They were in front of my house today with with a boom truck and a chipper still removing stuff thats been hanging over from the storm two weeks ago.

[cchap45]

anyone know if the trail is ready to ride?

[MrBatzloff]

I checked it out this morning...my synopsis...

The little south loop is great and depending on weather should be almost completely dry tomorrow. There's is one small downed tree right away, but's less than 5 inches diameter. This section seems ready to go.

North side...
Wow. I second the thought that a tornado or micro burst went through the first portion of the trail. There are sections completely leveled. It's really pretty incredible. Otherwise, pretty much the first half of the trail isn't even worth riding. I think a dozen downed trees is a conservative estimate for the trail overall, probably more like 20+. The latter half of the trail, including the goat trail, is actually in pretty good condition with only a couple of smaller trees down here and there.

I don't know what protocol is for a situation like this, but overall I had a pretty good ride (and hike). Is theo officially closed? Or are we to just stay out of the way of the city workers, etc?

[Nickel]

It's probably getting soaked right now.

[MrBatzloff]

kind of looks that way...

[runjwalker]

With all the trees down in Theo now, maybe some creative work arounds and use of these elements could be implemented. I will try my best to get out this fall to help at Theo but I am very busy and do not get much extra time. Any extra time I can get, I usually am biking, which is the only way I can keep from being over weight. I do pay for a membership with MORC and with IMBA. I have also sent a lot of money IMBA's way with purchasing product from them. I figure if I need some mtb sock, jersey's, long sleeves, etc., I may as well support a mountain bike organization at the same time.

IMBA is doing a very good job at marketing and making the organizations logo very recognizable. MORC and/or MOCA could do some things that IMBA is doing, at a smaller scale of course, but the best way for the organization to grow is to make it very recognizable.

Another suggestion I have thought about often is working with all the local shops. I don't mean having them spread info by word of mouth either, that is to random, and depends to much on if the shop workers remember to. What I think should be done is that MORC/MOCA should create a membership/PR package that the shops could give out with mountain bikes when they sell new ones. It targets the exact right people, doesn't cost the shops anything, and doesn't take a ton of effort for the shops to really contribute to the local mtb scene which would just benefit them in the long run as well. For that matter, MORC/MOCA could also actually contact the manufacturers themselves that have anything to do with mountain biking and try to work with them to implement something similar. If our organizations create a web ready membership/PR info page, the manufacturers may put up links directly on their website if it is presented right to them. After all, they benefit as much as we do by more people knowing about the local trails. The more people that know about them, the more people that tell others, the more developed the trails become, the more the riders may want to purchase upgrades or new rigs, etc. It's basically like trickle down economics or grass roots marketing.

I have been trying to find some time to create a myspace/facebook/friendster page for Theo with info about it, info about MORC and MOCA, Maps of the trails and how to get there, photos, etc.. I will get to it at some point but I am totally swamped right at this time of the year. But I figured that aside from my membership contribution, that would be another way for me to contribute in getting the word out since all those sights are so popular and free.

I am glad to help with suggestions if I can, these are just some ideas, but I would rather post up ideas or solutions than contribute to all the complaining and negativity. I moved here from Salt Lake City but mountain biked here back in 1984 - 1989 when I first got into mountain biking. I moved away in 1989 to some of the best areas of the western U.S. for activities like mountain biking. It is quite different out there because the trail systems are much longer and were created so long ago, unlike here they seem to be used for multiple activities but of course there were many trails off limits to mtb bikes. Here, we don't have the amazing landscapes and vast terrain that they have out West so things have to be built but I do think they should be built to cater to all types of riding types. At Theo, advanced terrain could very easily be built in a way similar to Mammoth where you come up to something really technical but there is an easy route around it. It seems that would be a better solution for Theo than creating separate loops like Lebanon. That is my two cents worth.

I don't have time to post on here much so I apologize for being so wordy.

[soupboy]

Just got back after being out of town all week.

The 411:


The main trail's dirt was perfectly rideable.
All but maybe the last section of the main loop has at least one immovable object down and in some places more. Another rider and I tried moving some but they are temporary fixes at best. Can MOCA use chainsaws for blowdown?
The flat upper section of the Pkwy/55 connector has a few mud wallows on it, all sloped sections are perfectly rideable.

[Lezgo Cycling]

Just got back after being out of town all week.

The 411:

The main trail's dirt was perfectly rideable.
All but maybe the last section of the main loop has at least one immovable object down and in some places more. Another rider and I tried moving some but they are temporary fixes at best. Can MOCA use chainsaws for blowdown?
The flat upper section of the Pkwy/55 connector has a few mud wallows on it, all sloped sections are perfectly rideable.

the city does not allow us to bring in power tools of any kind for anything....either they do it for us (big stuff) or we do it by hand

[soupboy]

That's what I thought. I would hope there could be an exception for storm damage versus constructing trail.

Will there be any emergency trail work crew need to move stuff manually this weekend? There is some serious lumber on the deck.

the city does not allow us to bring in power tools of any kind for anything....either they do it for us (big stuff) or we do it by hand

[Lezgo Cycling]

ill be riding tomorrow but could do a little trailwork if needed, I planned to be there around 930 am. If we do trailwork then we can park at the Par 3 and I have some tools that I could bring if no one has the key to the box, otherwise I plan to ride anywways (weather permitting)

[soupboy]

What are there for saws? Are there any of the 2-person variety?

ill be riding tomorrow but could do a little trailwork if needed, I planned to be there around 930 am. If we do trailwork then we can park at the Par 3 and I have some tools that I could bring if no one has the key to the box, otherwise I plan to ride anywways (weather permitting)

[jitterjepp]

You can't do any trail work out at Wirth unless there is a trail steward/dirt boss. I believe this is the same for all of the area trails. It's for safety reasons as well as liability. If something did happen to you the city would likely say "what the heck were you doing there anyway?" because it's only legal when there is a trail steward there. I wouldn't put it upon myself to go out there without talking to Shad, Mara, Sean or someone else first. If people want to do trail work on the weekends I believe planned weekend sessions will be starting in a couple weeks. Part of the reason we have trails there is because we agreed to stop going out when we wanted on our own and building/maintaining trails. It also sounds like the trees are pretty big too. That stuff is outside of the capacity of MOCA and the responsibility of the park. I believe they would have already been removed at trail work last week if that were not the case.

[ryno lite]

With all the trees down in Theo now, maybe some creative work arounds and use of these elements could be implemented. I will try my best to get out this fall to help at Theo but I am very busy and do not get much extra time. Any extra time I can get, I usually am biking, which is the only way I can keep from being over weight. I do pay for a membership with MORC and with IMBA. I have also sent a lot of money IMBA's way with purchasing product from them. I figure if I need some mtb sock, jersey's, long sleeves, etc., I may as well support a mountain bike organization at the same time.

IMBA is doing a very good job at marketing and making the organizations logo very recognizable. MORC and/or MOCA could do some things that IMBA is doing, at a smaller scale of course, but the best way for the organization to grow is to make it very recognizable.

Another suggestion I have thought about often is working with all the local shops. I don't mean having them spread info by word of mouth either, that is to random, and depends to much on if the shop workers remember to. What I think should be done is that MORC/MOCA should create a membership/PR package that the shops could give out with mountain bikes when they sell new ones. It targets the exact right people, doesn't cost the shops anything, and doesn't take a ton of effort for the shops to really contribute to the local mtb scene which would just benefit them in the long run as well. For that matter, MORC/MOCA could also actually contact the manufacturers themselves that have anything to do with mountain biking and try to work with them to implement something similar. If our organizations create a web ready membership/PR info page, the manufacturers may put up links directly on their website if it is presented right to them. After all, they benefit as much as we do by more people knowing about the local trails. The more people that know about them, the more people that tell others, the more developed the trails become, the more the riders may want to purchase upgrades or new rigs, etc. It's basically like trickle down economics or grass roots marketing.

I have been trying to find some time to create a myspace/facebook/friendster page for Theo with info about it, info about MORC and MOCA, Maps of the trails and how to get there, photos, etc.. I will get to it at some point but I am totally swamped right at this time of the year. But I figured that aside from my membership contribution, that would be another way for me to contribute in getting the word out since all those sights are so popular and free.

I am glad to help with suggestions if I can, these are just some ideas, but I would rather post up ideas or solutions than contribute to all the complaining and negativity. I moved here from Salt Lake City but mountain biked here back in 1984 - 1989 when I first got into mountain biking. I moved away in 1989 to some of the best areas of the western U.S. for activities like mountain biking. It is quite different out there because the trail systems are much longer and were created so long ago, unlike here they seem to be used for multiple activities but of course there were many trails off limits to mtb bikes. Here, we don't have the amazing landscapes and vast terrain that they have out West so things have to be built but I do think they should be built to cater to all types of riding types. At Theo, advanced terrain could very easily be built in a way similar to Mammoth where you come up to something really technical but there is an easy route around it. It seems that would be a better solution for Theo than creating separate loops like Lebanon. That is my two cents worth.

I don't have time to post on here much so I apologize for being so wordy.

Brent, first I'd like to thank you for your membership! Not everyone has time to volunteer and that is fine, but we really need memberships and we really appreciate your donation! We need cash to accomplish our work and need membership numbers to justify to land managers the need for mountain bike trails.

I can try to answer a couple of questions you asked. There are two ways to do technical trail features. One is to make technical loops like the X and XX loop at Lebanon or you can make technical trail features with easy ride arounds like you suggested. Both work great and MORC uses both methods. Lebanon uses both ways and Murphy will also use both ways. There are a lot of factors that go into why it is built the way it is.

MORC realizes the importance of partnerships with bike shops and we are fortunate to have some great relationships with local bike shops. MORC has some great ideas for working with local bike shops and hopefully they are realized in the coming year.

Hope this answers some of your questions, thanks for your comments! Please post again with any comments/questions and someone will try to answer them.

Anyway, back to trail conditions!

[soupboy]

They toppled over after last week's regularly scheduled trailwork.

So, is the park going to clear this stuff or is it MOCA's responsibility?

It also sounds like the trees are pretty big too. That stuff is outside of the capacity of MOCA and the responsibility of the park. I believe they would have already been removed at trail work last week if that were not the case.

[jag]

I rode it saturday morning. There are only a few trees that you may have to hike over. Nothing that will cause you to leave the trail. If you ride the non-trail that goes by the lake, you will find a huge tree blocking that.

It did rain all day yesterday though.

[manual63]

So, is the park going to clear this stuff or is it MOCA's responsibility?

The park will take care of the larger stuff we can't do. But MOCA will be doing all the rest of the work to get things clear. I guess a good amount got done while I was at Interbike.

Can someone post up current trail conditions if they get a chance to go out there. I assume it's pretty wet, but might be okay by later this afternoon....we'll see.

[jitterjepp]

They toppled over after last week's regularly scheduled trailwork. I thought you were talking about the ones that fell before that. I thought they were still laying there. I guess they did remove them.

[manual63]

The trails are too wet to ride today after all the rain we got yesterday and last night. Please don't ride them today (Monday 10/1). They should be good to go tomorrow about mid day if it doesn't rain anymore.

Thank you......MOCA Trail Crew!

[manual63]

Trails are VERY wet. Please don't ride them until further notice. We have someone checking on them every day. They will not be dry enough to ride at all today, even with the sun and warmer weather. Better chances tomorrow though. Keep in mind, there are still a bunch of trees down. We plan to get to many of them Friday. Hang in there, I know people are antsy to ride, but just give it another day. The MOCA trail crew has their work cut out for them.....please don't add to our work load by riding wet trails.

Thank you....the MOCA trail crew!

[85911]

Trails are VERY wet. Please don't ride them until further notice. We have someone checking on them every day. They will not be dry enough to ride at all today, even with the sun and warmer weather. Better chances tomorrow though. Keep in mind, there are still a bunch of trees down. We plan to get to many of them Friday. Hang in there, I know people are antsy to ride, but just give it another day. The MOCA trail crew has their work cut out for them.....please don't add to our work load by riding wet trails.

Thank you....the MOCA trail crew!
where you in pink or green?:eyeroll:

[steef]

where you in pink or green?:eyeroll:

huh???????????

[85911]

:shocked:huh???????????

I think shad will understand. Oh, sorry about my poor spelling.:laugh:

P.S. how did you delete your comment?

[soupboy]

What is the plan for cleaning them up - days/times?

[kiano]

Is Theo rideable this evening? if that is a word. It's almost hot outside.:jumpy:

[Lezgo Cycling]

Is Theo rideable this evening? if that is a word. It's almost hot outside.:jumpy:

we didnt do trailwork alst night becasuse it was too wet, I wouldnt ride it until further notice or someone goes to check on it. Dont make the drive to find out its wet, just come to leb for the night ride 7 pm

[manual63]

What is the plan for cleaning them up - days/times?

We are having a special session to clean up the trails this Friday at 5:00. Weather doesn't look to be in our favor.....but we are going to do our best to try.

[manual63]

I heard the trails are solid. There are still a lot of trees down. If you do ride, please...please go over the trees, not around them. We have worked really hard to keep the trail narrow and going around the trees only undoes all of our hard efforts this summer.

Thank you.....MOCA Trail Crew!

[Lezgo Cycling]

So just so you know what is down and what we need to clear from the trail. The one with my bike is at the entrance. As you can see some you can go over, but as Shad said please dont go around the obstacles, If you need to get off your bike to cross then do so. Thank you

Shad is Fri night still on or are we awaiting weather to see what were going to do

[steef]

My back yard was a huge puddle an hour ago and Crystal got 1.5 inches of rain.

Slop City Arizona.

[Lezgo Cycling]

My back yard was a huge puddle an hour ago and Crystal got 1.5 inches of rain.

Slop City Arizona.

Do you think well do trailwork tonight then ? Or is ti still too wet

I know were not riding still

[soupboy]

Please post up if the crew does indeed make it out today.

We are having a special session to clean up the trails this Friday at 5:00. Weather doesn't look to be in our favor.....but we are going to do our best to try.

[manual63]

Bummer.....too much rain. I posted about trailwork being canceled today in the trailwork thread.

Please stay off the trails until further notice. I will be posting up about next Wednesdays regular trailwork soon.

[THUMP!]

Shad(or anyone), have the trail conditions changed? Wondering if we can ride today or for the scheduled ride tomorrow.

[Whatsmymantra?]

If anybody knows the clown who rode in Elouise Butler gardens today please give him a swift kick in the ass. Elouise Butler is the oldest wildflower garden in the country. The people who volunteer to care for it have a lot of support in the Minneapolis Park Board. Making friends with them would be a good idea. They don't take kindly to someone messing with their gardens.
To ride in there you have to open a gate and walk by signs specifically stating no biking. The 30 something male biker who got chased out by a little old lady claimed to be from California. The schools must not be very good there.

[tkb608]

That is really sad. No one could mistake that for a place to bike. That garden is really nice and a great asset to the city.

[jitterjepp]

If anybody knows the clown who rode in Elouise Butler gardens today please give him a swift kick in the ass. Elouise Butler is the oldest wildflower garden in the country. The people who volunteer to care for it have a lot of support in the Minneapolis Park Board. Making friends with them would be a good idea. They don't take kindly to someone messing with their gardens.
To ride in there you have to open a gate and walk by signs specifically stating no biking. The 30 something male biker who got chased out by a little old lady claimed to be from California. The schools must not be very good there.
How did you find out about this? Since I don't know the specifics of it I'm thinking the person could have been on a commuter bike and they might think its a mountain bike because it doesn't have drop down bars.
It is pretty lame though. I don't think they can really connect this person to us. The people who were riding around that area before MOCA weren't doing it inside the fence anyway. They were riding on the land on the outside of the fence. This is just some random idiot and I'm not really clear on weather the person was riding around on the flowers, walking his bike on the trail through there or riding on the trail around the garden inside the fence.

Its not against the law to play soccer but it would be in the flower garden. The people who would do that don't represent those that do it at a park where there is a designated field for soccer. Thats the position we need to take with this stuff. It sounds more like this person was just someone who had no respect for other people or the laws. People who go to the park board, get insurance, set up trail work times and have a board of directors aren't part of that group.

[Whatsmymantra?]

Shawn thanks for all the time you put in. I posted this here more as an "informational post" I don't think anyone involved here would ride inside the fences at Elouise Butler, but there are enough people here so that somebody might know somebody that could perhaps mention it to somebody.
I heard about it because my wife is a volunteer there. They were pissed at this guy who pretended to be stupid when they chased him down. And yes he was on a mountain bike, the knobby tires left marks that will for some time remind the workers there that he was there.

[Lezgo Cycling]

Anyone know the condition of Theo ? I know the trees are still down but how wet is it. I am off early today and want to try and get in a ride before the board meeting tonight

[RiverRat]

I would guess there's about a 50/50 chance it will be good by mid/late afternoon. Hasn't rained since monday morning, but it's been cloudy, cool, and yesterday was still pretty humid. Hopefully somebody can post up actual conditions a little later today.

[Lezgo Cycling]

Like I said I will be off early and go out to check it but will not be able to post up til tomorrow, (Comoputer down at home) so if someone else can get out there, that would be great

[stoneage]

Three laps. Haven't been there in 5 weeks because of the ribs. Wasn't as bad as I thought. Just 6-8 slime pits, and there's nothing you can do about those. They'll be there next month without deberming. Otherwise the trail was tacky with some wet leaves on the north facing hills. Only had to dismount once and a really good bike handler might be able to make that section.

[MrBatzloff]

Thanks Billy. Is visibility pretty good (due to the downed leaves)?

[Deputy Halik]

Thanks Billy. Is visibility pretty good (due to the downed leaves)?

I went to TW last night; it had been awhile for me. I had no idea that so many trees went down from the storm a few weeks back. Kudos to the city and trailwork crew to make it rideable!

Visibility was fine, although the wet leaves made things a bit slick.

I almost hit a couple of deer standing on the trail. Usually they run away but were seemingly mesmerized by 15-watts of pure halogen emanating from the top of my head. :shocked:

[Dude]

Biked a couple laps at Theo last night. There were about 4 downed trees, two of them could be ridden over pretty easily, but two of them blocked the trail. One of the downed trees blocking the trail was at the trailhead and the other was about a 1/5th to 1/4th of the way into the trail, so the latter half of the trail was good to go for continuous riding (without having to dismount to walk over the trees).

Also, there were a handful of muddy spots that had to be steered around or tracked over carefully in order to avoid pitting out the trail.

[jitterjepp]

Lots of people showed up with saws tonight and we got all the downed trees out of the way. Its good to go.

[cconely]

Lots of people showed up with saws tonight and we got all the downed trees out of the way. Its good to go.

Great work out there. Was there tonight (I'm the guy who got nailed by the tree y'all were downing) and there was no need to get off the bike to walk over anything.... Really good job, guys, Thanks.

Chad.

[egoo]

I was right next to you when it happened. I could hardly believe that you got up after that, and I'm glad you are OK. It hit you right square in the head!

[jitterjepp]

Great work out there. Was there tonight (I'm the guy who got nailed by the tree y'all were downing) and there was no need to get off the bike to walk over anything.... Really good job, guys, Thanks.

Chad.
Helmets...they work!

[Tony M]

Did anyone yell timber?:laugh::laugh:

[cconely]

Did anyone yell timber?:laugh::laugh:

I think they yelled "no, stop, don't". I just thought I was at home.....

[manual63]

We took out the trees in the north loop. There are still some down in the south loop. Please ride only the north loop for now. The south loop is still pretty wet in places. Also, section 5, the last section before the end of the trail (concrete skinny) is pretty wet too. It's best to avoid that section for another day. Thank you....MOCA Trail Crew

[Trevize1138]

Just got back from a couple laps and I'd say the trail's definitely tacky now! :banana:

There are some leafy spots but overall it's in pretty good shape considering. There's the one big fallen tree at the very beginning of the main loop and there's one 1/2 way through that's developing into a log over. Not bad at all!

[MickUZE]

Did a night ride tonight and the trail is good to go!
Nice and tacky!
Thanks for removing the trees.
uze

[manual63]

Being new to trail stewarding hasn't been very nice to me so far. I have to keep telling people the trails are too wet to ride. Total suckage if you ask me. Anyway, please stay off the trails until they are dry. It's supposed to be rainy all week, I know it's tough, but please respect the trails and they will respect you back.

Uh....movie anyone? Video game?....damp road ride?....something?

[ryno lite]

Checked out the south loop trails on foot at about 12:30. It looked tacky on the south loop with the normal wet spots we see on that loop (4 small wet spots). There already were riders out there today. Should be ok for late afternoon ride today. Tomorrow should be great if it doesn't rain.

[soupboy]

Rode around 330pm. There were many good sized mud wallows so I ducked out about 1/2 way through the main loop. There were also some new trees down that will require a couple folks and/or a saw.

It needs another day or two like today...

[THUMP!]

A big digger was in cutting tree roots to stop the spread of Oak Wilt or some such thing, it really did a number on the north loop. An hour or so after they stopped digging there had been enough bikes thru that it was rideable but it is going to need some work. The rest of the trail was tacky and fun and the new obstacles were interesting in the dark!

[col200]

I talked to one of the workers and he seemed contrite about mashing through the trail. He also commented that we had "one hell of a trail system here" :)
It's too bad they have to do that but it beats clear-cutting the area in a few years. Otherwise, trails in great shape.

[ryno lite]

A big digger was in cutting tree roots to stop the spread of Oak Wilt or some such thing, it really did a number on the north loop. An hour or so after they stopped digging there had been enough bikes thru that it was rideable but it is going to need some work. The rest of the trail was tacky and fun and the new obstacles were interesting in the dark!

Happens at Murphy also. Hopefully it helps prevent the spread of that crap.

[manual63]

We are currently working with the city to find out a solution for the trenches across the trail.

Ryan, have they cut across the bike trail at Murphy? If so, how did you resolve it?

[ryno lite]

We are currently working with the city to find out a solution for the trenches across the trail.

Ryan, have they cut across the bike trail at Murphy? If so, how did you resolve it?

I've heard that they have cut across the trails and that we may need to do a little work on those sections, but I haven't ridden out there in a few weeks and haven't seen the damage. Pete didn't seem too worried and it. It didn't sound like much work to do. It has to be done and the damage wasn't too bad, so there really isn't much to resolve from what I have heard. Pete may be able to give more info.

[MikeyB]

I've heard that they have cut across the trails and that we may need to do a little work on those sections, but I haven't ridden out there in a few weeks and haven't seen the damage. Pete didn't seem too worried and it. It didn't sound like much work to do. It has to be done and the damage wasn't too bad, so there really isn't much to resolve from what I have heard. Pete may be able to give more info.

The trail was repaired pretty well by the park. You wouldn't notice it except for the giant tracks on each side of the trail.

[HTtones]

Took a few laps at Theo this morning and trail is in great shape. Watch the big ruts from MPRB activity on the north loop, though. A big thanks to the trail crew!

[manual63]

I love reading these posts about the ruts and other things. I get such a mixed idea of what actually happened out there. Right now I am thinking I will be going to the north loop tonight and see huge ruts all over the place that are deep and nasty. Yet I hear someone post how great the trail was.....so confused....so confused.

Thanks for all the input.....I am not complaining.....just laughing at how I get a visual idea from the forums, emails, and phone calls and then when I get to the trail to see it, it's usually quite different than I expected.....:)

We will address the ruts however we can. Thanks for the props....we appreciate it.

[Lezgo Cycling]

I love reading these posts about the ruts and other things. I get such a mixed idea of what actually happened out there. Right now I am thinking I will be going to the north loop tonight and see huge ruts all over the place that are deep and nasty. Yet I hear someone post how great the trail was.....so confused....so confused.

Thanks for all the input.....I am not complaining.....just laughing at how I get a visual idea from the forums, emails, and phone calls and then when I get to the trail to see it, it's usually quite different than I expected.....:)

We will address the ruts however we can. Thanks for the props....we appreciate it.

I was there last night and while the trail was tore up a little.....there have been enough riders out there that is rideable. the way it is looks like a big tractor or something went through there and tore up the wet ground, so it is like packing wet dirt. very thick very packed and rideable.....for now

otherwise trail is in great shape....as for the special task I only saw 1 real big tree overhead, I belive before the first xc trail crossing, and a few leaners but nothing that seems to be in danger of falling. Sorry I tried to coordiante with the map but I only knwo how to ride it. couldnt tell you exactly where in the trail but it seems to all be in the first couple loops

[pro1200]

I beg to differ with the previous posts about the condition of the north part of the trail. I rode it today and it's trashed in many areas. Sure, it can be ridden but the flow is ruined and IMO must be rebuilt. I didn't have much fun on the rest of the trail because although it is dry enough, the surface is slippery. I felt like I was riding on ice-it was a strange feeling.

[jag]

I thought the official trails were in great shape Thurs. The non official trail to the northeast suffered a bad beating from the tractor.

[col200]

Trails ok. North section is brutal. The only fast uphill known in the universe (you know where I mean) is now butchered from tractor treads:hit:

[jag]

Ok, I must be half a sleep when I ride there.

[egoo]

yeah, nothing wrecks a mountain bike ride more than a bumpy section!

[flombe]

yeah, nothing wrecks a mountain bike ride more than a bumpy section!

That is funny! I thought the trail was in excellent shape, plenty of traction, and the bumps were a nice change! I am sure the crack trail crew will take care of them soon.

The only constant is change.

[Quanz56]

So it snowed a little bit...more like flurries. Are the trails still good to ride?

[berrywise]

So it snowed a little bit...more like flurries. Are the trails still good to ride?

I rode around 2:00 today and it was a beautiful day to be out for a bike ride.

[Quanz56]

Yea I went too, around 2:30. I figured even though it's snowing a little it's still too cold to get really wet. It was a good ride, the trees block the wind nicley.

[berrywise]

Yea I went too, around 2:30. I figured even though it's snowing a little it's still too cold to get really wet. It was a good ride, the trees block the wind nicley.

Steve were you riding solo? I think we might have passed you a few times. I was on a white singlespeed and my buddy was on a black rigid. We were dinking around taking photos and stuff.

[Quanz56]

Yea I was, I was wearing a bright blue pullover windbreaker. I did pass a couple of guys today takin a break or something (or you taking pictures). I thought to myself "wow, I'm passing someone else for a change!" Although they weren't moving so I guess that doesn't count.

It had to be you guys cause I don't recall seeing any other bikers today besides you, if it was you lol.

[kiano]

I just picked up a set of lights so can you guys tell me what nights and where you guys go for night group rides?

[THUMP!]

I just picked up a set of lights so can you guys tell me what nights and where you guys go for night group rides?

Generally Monday nights around 6:30. Check the thread - http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23187

[Lezgo Cycling]

I just picked up a set of lights so can you guys tell me what nights and where you guys go for night group rides?

Mon...Theo 630
Tue...Salem 630
Wed...
Thurs...Leb 530-7 depending on day/ night lap people
Fri...
Sat...
Sun...

maybe someone else can fill in the blanks

[kiano]

So how many people are planning on showing up today in Salem? I should check where Salem is before making a commintment.

[kiano]

Inver Grove Highst is not too far so can make it today if we have enough people. Should I be writing this in the other thread?

[THUMP!]

Inver Grove Highst is not too far so can make it today if we have enough people. Should I be writing this in the other thread?
Post up here...
http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23902

[egoo]

We lost some more woods today. Booooo!:cryin:

[Shorty]

We lost some more woods today. Booooo!:cryin:

How??

[egoo]

deforestation via bobcat. I hope they are done...

[Shorty]

Where on the trail?

[jag]

I saw that too, they took a big chunk and smoothed it out. Looked like part of the ski trail being re-routed?

[egoo]

It's the entrance to the last part of the north loop (the part with the concrete jump and what not). The first 30 feet or so are now out in the open. I was out there tuesday morning and saw the bobcat out there. I think I was the last one to ever ride through that section with trees overhead (or at least for a long time).

[Chug]

Mon...Theo 630
Tue...Salem 630
Wed...
Thurs...Leb 530-7 depending on day/ night lap people
Fri...
Sat...
Sun...

maybe someone else can fill in the blanks

Shop ride from Behind Bars Saturdays.
Leaves Shop shortly after 5pm. Get to Theo entrance around 5:45, give or take. This will go through winter. Then back to Wednesdays after 7pm.

[Lezgo Cycling]

Shop ride from Behind Bars Saturdays.
Leaves Shop shortly after 5pm. Get to Theo entrance around 5:45, give or take. This will go through winter. Then back to Wednesdays after 7pm.

sounds like fun, busy this sat but maybe ill be there next week

[krazykatie]

grrrrrrr!:mad::incazzato: Ok its raining/snowing in White Bear. I was plannin on riding my bikey at 2pm. Will someone please let me know what it like out that way. Thanks much! :crazy:Katie

[syntaxjunkie]

just got a dusting in downtown, a couple miles from wirth. no precip right now. doesn't look like anything that should adversely affect the trail.

[DMonkey]

Katie -
It wasn't really raining when I left for work this morning (8:30) - light showers maybe.. Barely got the blacktop damp.

I don't think it's supposed to rain really to day..

[krazykatie]

Katie -
It wasn't really raining when I left for work this morning (8:30) - light showers maybe.. Barely got the blacktop damp.

I don't think it's supposed to rain really to day..

are you gettin off work early to ride wit me:confused:

[DMonkey]

are you gettin off work early to ride wit me:confused:

I'm going to try to leave at 2, maybe 3..

[crypwhisper]

anyone going this morning, in about an hour? is it too wet? is it raining in mpls? i am all geared up! bummer.

[berrywise]

I rode yesterday about noon and the trails were fine at that point.

[crypwhisper]

yeah i ended up turning around on my way out there. i didnt want to risk it. and now it has stopped raining. perfect. ohhh well.

[Chug]

sounds like fun, busy this sat but maybe ill be there next week
I'm out this week now and next. The kid just unexpectedly fell alseep so we cannot leave to go get Mom and exchange duties. Little one has been sick, all of us have been for that matter.
Next week the Bro-In-Law is getting married and apparently I am supposed to be there. (of course I will be!)
If anyone wants to know day of saturdays just call the shop and we can tell you who is or is not going.6124360255.

[MisterClaw]

prefect weather and trail conditions. There are still people out there that think theo is a off-leash park. :banghead:

[ryno lite]

Trail is in great shape. The new Dump Loop is really cool! Great to run into you Chuck! Great night for a ride!

[kiano]

Yeah!!! Whats up with the off-leash dogs I saw a couple of them yesterday afternoon. Did anyone ride last night?

[jitterjepp]

I saw a dog following a guy on the trail on Sunday. It seemed pretty well behaved. I guess it doesn't really bother me. I think it would be cool to have a dog friendly trail around here so a person could bring their dog on a ride.

[manual63]

I saw a dog following a guy on the trail on Sunday. It seemed pretty well behaved. I guess it doesn't really bother me. I think it would be cool to have a dog friendly trail around here so a person could bring their dog on a ride.

I agree to an extent, but the problem is.....if you allow one well behaved dog to be off-leash, you have to allow all dogs to be off leash. Not all dogs are well behaved. Having a dog running around unleashed on the MTB trail is not a good idea for the riders or the dog.

[Lezgo Cycling]

I saw a dog following a guy on the trail on Sunday. It seemed pretty well behaved. I guess it doesn't really bother me. I think it would be cool to have a dog friendly trail around here so a person could bring their dog on a ride.

just use the leash and have them pul you.....I could see a buddy of mine who has 4 chihuahas (spelling) pulling him ....now that would be hilarious :laugh:

but really I would not do that to an animal its cruel. now my kids on the other hand :D tie a rope and have them pull me :eyeroll:

[jitterjepp]

I agree to an extent, but the problem is.....if you allow one well behaved dog to be off-leash, you have to allow all dogs to be off leash. Not all dogs are well behaved. Having a dog running around unleashed on the MTB trail is not a good idea for the riders or the dog.
Maybe the same could be said about mountain bikers off leash. I hear you Shad but I still think it would be cool to have a dog friendly trail. They do have these in other places and from what I've heard people love them. I like the idea.

[jitterjepp]

just use the leash and have them pul you.....I could see a buddy of mine who has 4 chihuahas (spelling) pulling him ....now that would be hilarious :laugh:

but really I would not do that to an animal its cruel. now my kids on the other hand :D tie a rope and have them pull me :eyeroll:
Bikejoring is a real sport. I know a few people who do that and skijoring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9NeJiTHVl8

[MisterClaw]

Maybe the same could be said about mountain bikers off leash. I hear you Shad but I still think it would be cool to have a dog friendly trail. They do have these in other places and from what I've heard people love them. I like the idea.

There's no leash law on the trail at Salem. So we do have a dog-friendly trail.

[ppgc]

There's no leash law at Harmon Park. So we do have a dog-friendly trail.

I have seen a few at the river bottoms also, not sure if it is kosher but I have never had a problem with them down there...

[KleinCrazy]

I saw a dog following a guy on the trail on Sunday. It seemed pretty well behaved. I guess it doesn't really bother me. I think it would be cool to have a dog friendly trail around here so a person could bring their dog on a ride.


Salem,

Dogs allowed off-leash out in the main part of the trail, not at the trailhead or in the playground area.

[jitterjepp]

I did not know these things. Cool!

[Mike P]

I have seen a few at the river bottoms also, not sure if it is kosher but I have never had a problem with them down there...

Not cool at the river bottoms(wildlife sanctuary). I think it's a $250.00 fine if caught off leash. Yes, I'm guilty(not caught):embarass:. I was not on the trail though. I know guilty just the same.

[DMonkey]

I'm totally cool with a dog off leash.. There are a few that I've seen at RB, Mammoth, and up in Cable..

I agree it takes a while to train the dog for it - it's always been fun when there have been pup's along.
But I really like dogs and have owned one most of my life (and lived in the country, no dog's on leash growing up).

[Skazi]

It's a beautiful trail !

Date/Time: 2007-11-16 12:30pm
Mud/Water: not a teaspoon
Other rider: not a one
Wildlife: zillionz of squirelz
Route: in at south loop, 2 laps of north loop, out south loop

First time I've been to Theo in a month or so. The trail is in beautiful shape. Nice covering of leaves, but pretty much brushed away where you want traction. There is a lot more to see now that most of the leaves have fallen.

It's nice to be back in the midwest for the fall again :)

[RedSquirrel]

Wildlife: zillionz of squirelz


Squrrelz are mad jibbi'n and ollie'n off every thang. I ran over a squirel on the way home yesterday, on the parkway, it came out of nowhere, thud thud. Under both wheels, I hope it was just the tail, ok maybe not. Too dark too see if a red squirl.

[THUMP!]

Mostly tacky to some damp last night with about 4 slick spots. After I rode a couple of laps I noticed a bit of dirt in my tire so probably should have walked around the spots.

[Kingbozo]

Nice shape. One slightly damp spot. There is a tree down across the trail shortly after the second ski trail crossing.

[seberly]

Nice shape. One slightly damp spot. There is a tree down across the trail shortly after the second ski trail crossing.

Yeah, still there today - where is that trail fairy when you need them!!!

Actually I'd say leave it there there's already a good rideover going.

[col200]

I thought the trail was a little too wet to ride IMO. Tons of people out there yesterday though. I'm sure it's better right now since it didn't snow overnight.

[egoo]

frozen and perfect!

[batjerk]

Anybody been out here since the snow fell on Saturday? Or last night? These trails are winter rideable, right?

[elic_berry]

Anybody been out here since the snow fell on Saturday? Or last night? These trails are winter rideable, right?

+1
I have the same question. :confused:
today riding to work was very nice, but riding in fresh powder snow is hard and tiring.

[THUMP!]

+1
I am not going to try and get all the way across town in this weather in rush hour for the Leb Thurs night ride but would really like to get out there. If anyone rides Theo...post up!

[batjerk]

Aw heck, I'll put the snow tires on tonight and pack the bike and clothes and go there tomorrow and let everyone know what I find (I hope). I'd go tonight, but I really don't want to drive back through town again. Maybe I'll just bike there anyway. It isn't that far.

[jag]

I heard it needs snowshoeing.
If you have some you should try that.
I should have mine next week and plan on working on it then.

[RedSquirrel]

Lap times on my Pug still over an hour. I rode 80% last night, 1.5 hard laps before 5pm w/5lbs tire pressure. Other pugs went in after me. Don't get excited...

If I had big tires, studs or whatever like last year(s) on non-pug bike it would have spit me out. I say normal bike lucky to get 50% riding. Normal tires would squirly up the trail real good leaving endless deep "S" ruts.

There is a nice snow base put in after the first storm by snow shoe'ers. Then pug groves. Both buried under 3-5 inches of fluff and drift snow.

Although a few pugs have been out, and a nice base (punchy soft pack at best), it's way too soft for 2.3, 2.1. 2.0 tires to enjoy. Unless you like 50% hike-a-bike and making big "S" marks non-stop.....

Do what-cha like, I'll snow shoe at lunch on Thursday and report back.

[Lezgo Cycling]

YES theo allows riding in the winter, when the ground is frozen and we pack it down it will be easier.

[RedSquirrel]

Bottom Line: If U R real good, perhaps 50% ride-able w/reg big tires. Studs no matter.

Visible Condition: a trail...snow shoe'd, skied, walked w/some boot prints Physical Condition: soft pack, regular tires will sink 1-4 inches everywhere Metaphysical Condition: it's a beautiful thing If you go shoe-it: baby step snow shoe it, backwards, works best If you attempt regular bike: your gunna surly all over the place, endure much wheezing, and fall in a ball of laughter often, while creating deep ruts. I say go for it backwards, enjoy!! We can always fix it over time. Pug Bike: all yours, mainly ride-able, no excuses

Sisters- I saw the LCR mark in infinite 8 loop.... I bolded it after my stomp. Jimmay, call me if you want to borrow my shoes tonight. RB too far for FG tonight. LCR out.

[THUMP!]

I'm not sure I quite follow...think it's okay for me on my SS 29er with no studs today?

[TML]

I'm not sure I quite follow...think it's okay for me on my SS 29er with no studs today?

You mean you don't speak Ricoh/LCR? Few ever catch on to that dialect. ;)

I think what Heath is saying is that if you've got a pugsley, get out there and enjoy. Anything shy of that, you better be an optimist ready to sweat.

29r SS with sub 3" meats will be a challenge. That's my guess.

[Lezgo Cycling]

yea its going to be tough today , but you ahev to learn sometime

[THUMP!]

Tried to ride a 29er at Theo today and it was a) freezing and b) unrideable. I made it about 6' on the trail before have to turn around. I guess I will need to buy some snowshoes and get to work.

[RedSquirrel]

Pugs have no issue. Many pugs did many laps since Thursday.

[THUMP!]

You must mean only the north loop as there were no tracks of any bike on the south.

[RedSquirrel]

Yep, just North loop getting shoe and pug traffic.

RIDE? I bet there would be sections of N loop you could ride. Still it would be very hard. If you suffer through a ride, try it backward so at least the uphills on the right direction would get packed when you go down BACKWARD.

SHOE or SKI? It's all shoe'd but soft for small tires. At this point plain snowshoe walking won't help too much. However, snowshoe'ing the "hills and tight corners" with ITZY BITZY BABY STEP STOMPS help alot.

[fatbaldpop1]

Has anyone been on the trails recently? is it time to ski or shoe or bike?

[jag]

I was out a few days a go. It is narrow but packed ok. I notice some skinny tires out there that end quickly. Skinny tires sink and spin out. Mine are 2.6 and i let most air out and they barely make it. Stay on the trail or fail.

[elic_berry]

I was out a few days a go. It is narrow but packed ok. I notice some skinny tires out there that end quickly. Skinny tires sink and spin out. Mine are 2.6 and i let most air out and they barely make it. Stay on the trail or fail.

Thank you! I will try on Sunday if weather is good enough, I have studded my front tire ((got the cheapest one in Wal-Mart for the experiment)) and my rear is less than 2.6, so I guess this is going to be try, I hope I will make it.
By the way yesterday it was warm during the day and cold at night, so my evening snowboarding was very slippery and there were lot of ice, the snow now is heavy and packed more dense, I cross my fingers, hope it is good enough for my bike.

[Chug]

I was out a few days a go. It is narrow but packed ok. I notice some skinny tires out there that end quickly. Skinny tires sink and spin out. Mine are 2.6 and i let most air out and they barely make it. Stay on the trail or fail.

Yeah, but J240 cannot ride a straight line either.

2.5 and a 2.25 (no studs) at low pressure last night. Couple dabs but probably a half or a lap, or maybe 45.

[jag]

Much better today. Saw some skinnies making it ok.
Even rode a straight line some of the time.
Left the air high in the tomato 2.6. No prob.

[jag]

A little rough today, but ok. Skinny ruts all over the place.
Then red squirrel came through and zambonied a bunch and turned it perfect.
P.K. - should of done 1 more, it was way better.
Could be bad - saw a family + no/leash dog near the end hiking the trail w/o snowshoes.

[mara]

With temperatures potentially at or near freezing this week, please schedule your rides carefully and have a backup plan if/when the trail is thawing and squishy.

[elic_berry]

It was very nice yesterday, hard to ride on a skinny tires, I had my front studded but it did not really help at all, it is better to have wider tire on lower pressure that usual one, studded. In general trail is in rideable condition. I did 1 lap and it was super cardio workout but still we did it with my friend.
(Now looking for 2.6 tires and trying to figureout if it fits my bike)
Elic

[RiverRat]

Trail was decent last night about 8:00 pm. Still a bit soft in some spots from the warm weather. Should probably avoid use for the next couple of days.

Thanks to whoever has been out grooming with the pugs and shovels.

As soon as this warm spell is over (saturday?) we should have a super solid base to work with. For now, maybe try widening the trail with some snow shoes while it's soft.

[jag]

The shoveled spots suck. The packed layer was shoveled off and now it is like loose sand. Earlier this week i could rail through there. No biggie, I know the shoveler meant to do good.
The rest of the trail is fast if you can stay in a 12" and under path.
Todays weather would make the trail no fun out there today.

[RiverRat]

There's new snow on the way, along with temps conducive to creating a good hardpacked trail. Hopefully somebody can get out and pack before the temp drops too low. Looks like saturday evening will be a good time to pack.

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Minneapolis&state=MN&site=MPX&textField1=44.9618&textField2=-93.2668&e=0&FcstType=graphical

[RedSquirrel]

Hopefully somebody can get out and pack before the temp drops too low.

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Minneapolis&state=MN&site=MPX&textField1=44.9618&textField2=-93.2668&e=0&FcstType=graphical

Hey I like that temp graph link.

Tire diversity in warm weather..........trail was snaked up real good when I got there..........glad peeps are enjoying.........did 4 backward laps on the pug eraser. All good again, well see if it stays that way until re-freeze. Yeah, shovel action was weird. One thing, stop pooping on the trail !!

[fatbaldpop1]

let's avoid the fabled rutting of New Years eve 2 years ago...man I hated that rut....rut free in 08...

[Stonehenge]

let's avoid the fabled rutting of New Years eve 2 years ago...man I hated that rut....rut free in 08...
Too late.......
3 pugs groomed 8 laps today, our 4th pug was coming solo later in the day. The eary morning walker and his dog left definate divots, However we laid a nice tread. Each lap was packing extremely nice and some stretches startind to freeze nicely by they time we rolled through again...gave us a bit of exitement to get speed up each lap! The rain left a few puddles but were getting a wide groom too. This should have set up nicely but..... Our fourth got out in mid/ late afternoon only to find a skinny MTB came through and tore it up for a a lap. Our #4 pug did 3 laps smoothing out the destruction more each lap and was thinking how fun it would be on lap 4 as the colder temps were really starting to set up the the trail. ON LAP 4 he found out differently as just before he got to the start area two riders came on trail with a cross bike and a very skinny MTB and proceded to really tear it up.

Great! good job greedy goof balls. Was looking forward to riding Leb tommorow but now thinking they have goofballs out there too and it will be rough.

Wet snow is great snow to pack! But will not hold up to the presure of alot of weigh on a small surface area..... meaning winter rules - skinnies (std mtb tires) on non frozen pack snow.

[Whatsmymantra?]

Are you saying that unless I go out and buy a $2000 pugsley I should stay off the trails in Wirth this winter?

I've been riding those trails and the river bottoms in the winter for 10-15 years without a special winter bike. The 2 in tires with low pressure would pack the trail real nice in a 3-6 in wide track. If you rode off the track you would most likely crash and fall down. It was an incredible work out and trying to stay on the line was great for your steering skills. The trail would get packed ice hard and you could really fly, as long as you stayed in the track. The more people that rode the better the trail got.

The "rut" was made by a dirt bike motorcycle (although it could have been a pugsley) on a slushy warm day. I was there the next day, followed the tracks into the Hidden Lakes development where they disappeared on the street (I even called the Park Police). The slush froze to ice and the "rut" was there frozen in. The frozen rut would catch your front wheel and send you flying.

What I see happening now is snow shoes, skis and pugsleys soft packing the snow and never getting a good hard base packed in. Great if you own a $2000 special winter bike, not so good for the average guy with an average bike. Flame on

[tedsti]

I think what he is getting at is don't ride on skinny tires when the trail is soft from warm temps and rain. No different than staying off the trail after a rain in the summer. Skinny tires would probably be fine today. Yesterday was just too soft for the skinny tires and borderline for the pugs.

[RedSquirrel]

I know for a fact my boy wasn't saying you need a special bike to ride. No way. I know where he's hriding this am, Leb not it. Got bike, ride. Got boots, track it up. As we rode yesterday we we're joking, it is what it is..... I've come to the conclusion there ill be good, bad, and ugly daze. All good.

People ride, walk, dog poop, and do what they do, and the more tracked up the more challenging. My sisters and I like challenge. I'm sure Dave was just posting the conditions and as Ted mentioned, obviously, skinny tires will have more challenge the deeper the frozen groves. I posted video of what it looked like before the skinnies Noon yeterday. Click below to see it.

[jag]

Ride what you want out there, just be smart about it. If it is warm your skinny tires will leave a goofy rut that could make the rest of the winter riding suck. Take a day off.
I don't have a pug and i ride with stonehenge and the other pugs and they don't care about the tires i ride.
This year the snow has been sandlike so far and I don't think skinny tires would be able to ride without the help of the pugs and the snowshoes. It will change though as winter always does.

[Stonehenge]

I think what he is getting at is don't ride on skinny tires when the trail is soft from warm temps and rain. No different than staying off the trail after a rain in the summer. Skinny tires would probably be fine today. Yesterday was just too soft for the skinny tires and borderline for the pugs.
Hey Lars -please dont get me wrong. I did read, at my own risk. I understand your view and was right there with you a few short years ago. I too have ridden winter, not as long as you, but have eperienced exactly what you described. Things have changed a little since the MORC trails have opened up in the last few years to winter ridding. Not long back the MORC group tried snow shoes to groom trail and found it a success to get more bikes out quicker on trail and have fun, more fun than grooming the old way by just suffer ridding. And since then the Pugsly another grooming tool if you will ( but a great bike regardless) to help pack a nice trail in less time.
Once trail sets up it will be better for everyone. There is a differece here and a similarity to mud or wet dirt/ mud. Snow when dry will not set up no matter what. Snow that is wet will pack very well and set up usually at first freeze. It takes time to let sun and or warmer temps to change dry snow into packable snow. Think of it like this - if you can make a snow ball (wet snow) it will pack good and fast then freeze hard if left overnight. If you cant make a snow ball then it will take time before that snow will do what you want it too. Concrete is a good analagy - can set up fast or slow depending on temps/conditions and addatives. Get it smothed the way you want it then let it set up.
The snow and conditions on Saturday were as good as you could ask for to set up a trail. Wet snow,get it packed then cold temps within hours to set the tread. Thus making a trail to hoot and holler on with fast speed and control, you know the one you also mentioned and we like to ride.

Before long it mayl be time to use studs, if hard pack gets icy.... riders buy studded tires for those conditions. I am not saying you or anyone else should by a PUGSLY but you may consider a set of tires, for low expense, that will enhance your winter ride quality and aid better trail too. Tire pressure, low tire pressure is very key. A big fat knobie is not what I have in mind for a few good reasons. It is not just size that matters. Fat yes, aggresive knobs no, supple body yes, very low air pressure definatley. This combination will give you the best mechanical hook up in snow. Balance and spin control are up to you.....and It is spin class at its best - what a great workout and the surroundings are hard to beat - I aggree with you.

[RedSquirrel]

Isn't this why we all ride? You'll see what I mean. ha ha ha

One handed with camera in hand....Stoen you'll dig it. I'll post more on my site or photobucket/u-tube later.

http://s186.photobucket.com/albums/x147/hweisbro/BACK%20FLIPS/?action=view&current=IMGP3191.flv

[gopherhockey]

Isn't this why we all ride? You'll see what I mean. ha ha ha


Hopefully everyone can see the video part.. if you just listen to the audio you might think someone posted up some porn or something ;)

[RedSquirrel]

I agree, don't listen, but it's that good out there. Chug?

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/500/medium/IMGP3204.jpg

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[Chug]

Your Pug tires may have been fine but you really need studs out there today. The base layer is VERY icy. The stuff on top is not the problem. We couldn't stay upright on anything so we rode to the top secret ski bike location and hooked up with some rides and bombed some hills. Very fun!

[RedSquirrel]

Your Pug tires may have been fine but you really need studs out there today. The base layer is VERY icy. The stuff on top is not the problem. We couldn't stay upright on anything so we rode to the top secret ski bike location and hooked up with some rides and bombed some hills. Very fun!

Now that you mention it I can see studs are in. POINT. ha ha. I will say Theo has a great concave dish under shape in most parts now. Stud up.

[Chug]

I was going to try and skip the studs for as long as possible this year but I think the Pug train on freeze over day is going to change my plans a bit.
1 in front and power slide in style!! Brappppp!

[jag]

I made it around once but was off the pedals a lot. Plenty of surprises under the snow. 40 min lap compared to low 20's last week
I knew i should have kept following your tires out on the prkwy, Chuck.
Not sure if i am switching to stud tires yet.

[RedSquirrel]

I made it around once but was off the pedals a lot. Plenty of surprises under the snow. 40 min lap compared to low 20's last week
I knew i should have kept following your tires out on the prkwy, Chuck.
Not sure if i am switching to stud tires yet.

Jimmay get's last look and the EVE POINT.
Nice work, well deserved after stomp.

[Stonehenge]

someone snowshoed Theo late yesterday. Saw one rider as three of us got to the start. He said if was ridding fast today.....Hmmmm even with the new snow. Not racing and we laid down a sub 25 min lap 1. But the snow started falling during the lap and got bigger flakes as the afternoon progressed. Each lap was ridding in new snow and you couldnt tell we rode just before.....we say 2 new riders at end of lap 3, they just got there. One pugged and one not. we did backwards lap just a few minutes after they started forward lap. They bailed after one lap - non pug rider added an extra mile to his ride by riding military style...you know...left right left right left right. This is no packable snow so will take a while to get it good. Ice was not a problem. We bailed after 6 laps. the ride back to the lot was special....about 4 inches of fresh snow. All in all it was a great ride. Plenty of XC skiers out too. Many of them stopped to watch bikes motor throught the single track and plenty of them commented. They looked at bikers like we look at Deer. What a great way to spend a snow falling day!

[jag]

That was some fine snowshoe work.
Hope whoever that was wants to do another round.
I was able to shave 15 mins off lap from yesterday.
Was on the pedals most of the ride.
But, doesn't matter winter has changed the condition again.
Snowshoe'n time.

[Chug]

That was my Ghetto Crew sister, he was out on Christmas morning.
After riding last night it is apparent that some folks that used to snow shoe are now just riding their pugs. It is not getting a proper pack under the pugs, we need more snow shoeing. I will try to make it out there with Nathan this weekend or Wednesday.
Everyone go out and stomp a couple laps.

[Tower]

Jimmay did it on skinnies and said no problem...

The RCP was in full force last night... They forgot the clown paint though...

Pug fix... You know what I'm sayin... I need a brick instead of this dull knife I got...


That was my Ghetto Crew sister, he was out on Christmas morning.
After riding last night it is apparent that some folks that used to snow shoe are now just riding their pugs. It is not getting a proper pack under the pugs, we need more snow shoeing. I will try to make it out there with Nathan this weekend or Wednesday.
Everyone go out and stomp a couple laps.

[jag]

We had the zambonis in front of us though.
Chug had to ride what me and eddie left behind.
The more shoe'n the better.

[Stonehenge]

That was my Ghetto Crew sister, he was out on Christmas morning.
After riding last night it is apparent that some folks that used to snow shoe are now just riding their pugs. It is not getting a proper pack under the pugs, we need more snow shoeing. I will try to make it out there with Nathan this weekend or Wednesday.
Everyone go out and stomp a couple laps.

Hey Chuggles- What? use to shoe and now pugs....not. Use to ride on 2' to pack yes. Regardless this snow is to dry to pack well no matter how much snow shoeing...it helps, but its dry. When the temps change it will pack good. All in all stomp it all winter. I thanks some kids out there last Tue for wearing there snow shoes while on the trail. Their dog was the only one without snow shoes......

[soupboy]

I picked up more of a Blair Witch vibe.

Hopefully everyone can see the video part.. if you just listen to the audio you might think someone posted up some porn or something ;)

[RedSquirrel]

OHHHHH the noisey brakes sister.......ahhhhh...turn off the volume. Being chased by Stoen.

Who knows how to get that free microsoft software for editing videos????

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x147/hweisbro/BACK%20FLIPS/th_AVI_0003.jpg (http://s186.photobucket.com/albums/x147/hweisbro/BACK%20FLIPS/?action=view&current=AVI_0003.flv)

[Chug]

Trail is in excellent shape, a little rutted but nice and hard.
We had 8 in our group and 3 more that joined on lap 2, and we passed 3 more coming in on #2 lap. There was one more out there also, but by himself.

[pmschwei]

trail was very good this morning at 9:30 but seemed to be getting softer as my ride went on

[jag]

Yesterday morning the trail was fast.
We know someone will ride the trail and walk it today and probably rut it up good.
So, tonight may be a good time to snowshoe after dark if anyone wants to fix the potential damage. I'll try to get out there and if it looks good I'll stomp some extra trail to ride.

[Nickel]

What time were you thinking?

[steef]

The trail was tacky snow on top of the packed stuff yesterday afternoon.

[jag]

Really? That's cool, I thought it would be a mess. I was thinking about shoeing tonight before the freeze. Maybe I'll ride it instead.

[jag]

Thanks Steef for the push to go ride.
Trail was the best its been all winter.
Very fast and hardly a rut or ice. I am surprised.
Just a few minutes off summer lap times.
No studz needed, any tire should work.

[RedSquirrel]

Let's ride Thursday night at riccho location. You in stud? I'll buy round 1 after.

[Lezgo Cycling]

Let's ride Thursday night at riccho location. You in stud? I'll buy round 1 after.

anyone have conditions for tonight ? We were thinking of riding also , but some other metro rides were cancelled.....

[batjerk]

Couldn't ask for much better conditions than this morning. Nice light coating of powder over the well-packed snow, with only a coulpe of icy spots, and if you don't fall in the rut, it's not a big deal. All in all, great riding.

[syntaxjunkie]

So, as of today (Sunday, 1/13), are studs needed/recommended for Theo? I could change tires, but I'd rather not...

[batjerk]

I'm a little late, but judging from yesterday, I'd say not necessary, but probably desired. At least a production studded tire.

[fatbaldpop1]

No need for studded tires.

[Lezgo Cycling]

we went sat and sun, no studs needed yet....great conditions

[jag]

2pin and the prez 5 lapped er round and round in a loose layer of snow over hard pack with some ice spots. Borrowed bike has some shwalbe nobby nics that were grabbing better than my 2.6 were. Check em out. The log pile with the skinny on the backside makes a good jump now that launches past the skinny.

Ride early tomorrow and snowshoe the ruts that are coming on Monday night before the freeze.

[TowersChic]

You mean 1 Part and No Parts riding the road...

You guys should have been shoing Murphy...


2pin and the prez 5 lapped er round and round in a loose layer of snow over hard pack with some ice spots. Borrowed bike has some shwalbe nobby nics that were grabbing better than my 2.6 were. Check em out. The log pile with the skinny on the backside makes a good jump now that launches past the skinny.

Ride early tomorrow and snowshoe the ruts that are coming on Monday night before the freeze.

[sethr20]

anybody konw if the trail is going to be open around 1:30 this afternoon, or will it be too soft?

[rideharder]

just a reminder: the city of lakes loppet is taking place on feb 3rd and it is advised to stay off the mountain biking trails from 7 am to 12 pm

thanks, loppet course crew.

[jag]

Icy throughout tonight.
Time to break out the studz.
Rode a couple without and was spinning a lot.
Made fresh trax on the little downhill to the lake, sketchy but fun.
Will be groomin the bonus trails soon.

[85911]

Icy throughout tonight.
Time to break out the studz.
Rode a couple without and was spinning a lot.
Made fresh trax on the little downhill to the lake, sketchy but fun.
Will be groomin the bonus trails soon.

After the rock garden its glaicer like..... In a good way.

[flombe]

Mostly packed snow today! Some patches of covered ice. Rode a lap with a guy on a Karate Monkey with Rampages (no studs) and he did well. Really good for the Pugs. Ride!

[RedSquirrel]

Hit Theo before 8:00am. One cross country ski track on groomed ski trail. Otherwise just the rising sun and pristine quiteness of TEA O single track. NO tracks when I hit trail with pug.

The trail shape is amazingly the opposite of convex and rock solid. The snow is denseless. Three inches fresh at most. I'd think any tire size even studless would survive and enjoy. By the time you get there snow will be sluffed all over remaining denseless. FOUL: I lapped backwards and missed the reverse concrete skinny for the first time in a long time...go get it.