Trail Conditions in Detail - Theodore Wirth

[jeffgude]

Trail was in great shape last night for the group ride after the film fest. There were up to 20 or so of us on the ride at one point. This was the first time I'd been on the new trails at Theo. I was very impressed, you guys have done a great job.

[crux]

Drove up there last night to ride THeo and for the life of me could not find the trailhead or any mt bikers. Someone needs to post better directions, and I need to get better at finding my way around the twin cities.

[mcarples]

I think you need to read the directions a little better, But from the kiosk at 55 and Wirth PKWY (NW corner), there is a singletrack trail going into the woods about 20 feet up the paved bike trail.

[FSSS]

Drove up there last night to ride THeo and for the life of me could not find the trailhead or any mt bikers. Someone needs to post better directions, and I need to get better at finding my way around the twin cities.

http://www.morcmtb.org/trailreviews/metro/theowirth.shtml

[manual63]

Looks like Theo is getting rained on quite a bit right now. Tonights ride might be off. Anyone who can, please post up a trail status as soon as they can.

Thanks.

[stoneage]

Wet, moist, damp, saturated (http://24.118.138.77/~williamoreilly/rain.png)
It's been on and off all day just west of Wirth.

[manual63]

Wet, moist, damp, saturated (http://24.118.138.77/%7Ewilliamoreilly/rain.png)
It's been on and off all day just west of Wirth.

Are you trying to say Theo is good to ride??

It looked like the whole city got rained on quite a bit according to my maps here at work.

[flombe]

I would say WET!

By the way, Bill has "Hummer" jpeg's stored on his desktop!:crazy2:

[manual63]

So, anyone want to make a call on tonights ride. To wet to ride.

Or do it board style......who seconds this motion.....LOL.

[flombe]

1/4" of rain here and the roads are still wet. I would say the trails are WET!

[stoneage]

Bill has "Hummer" jpeg's
My contribution to FUH2.com. Here they are. ;)
Hum1 (http://24.118.138.77/~williamoreilly/hum1.jpg)
Hum2 (http://24.118.138.77/~williamoreilly/hum2.jpg)

[jjrsds]

I made the decision not to ride Theo tonight due to the rain I was in off and on all day. I hate missing the Monday Theo ride, it makes the rest of my week so much better being in Mpls riding a great trail with an exceptional group of people. I am dreading winter this year, withdrawl of riding buddies, Monday rides at Theo, and the great joy it brings to me. Thanks to the planners, designers, builders and riders that make this a great trail.

[flombe]

My contribution to FUH2.com. Here they are. ;)
Hum1 (http://24.118.138.77/~williamoreilly/hum1.jpg)
Hum2 (http://24.118.138.77/~williamoreilly/hum2.jpg)

Very nice! I didn't think you were shopping for a new mode of transportation...

[crux]

My contribution to FUH2.com. Here they are. ;)
Hum1 (http://24.118.138.77/%7Ewilliamoreilly/hum1.jpg)
Hum2 (http://24.118.138.77/%7Ewilliamoreilly/hum2.jpg)

That is not very politically correct of you. Why would you not want a $50k plus rebodied chevy that gets piss poor milage at $3.00 a gallon.

We should all get one to sit up an inch higher than the auto next to you as to make lane changes with out the need to check that pain in the ass rear view.

[JLS]

Bill, what is that Free Ridin' UFO hopping off the buiding in Hum2? Must be alien Shad.

[manual63]

Bill, what is that Free Ridin' UFO hopping off the buiding in Hum2? Must be alien Shad.

Maybe....:)

But, I sure wouldn't mind freeriding some H2's with my BigHit. Like to a drop onto the roof or something......sweeeeet!! Would get to watch all the cheap sheetmetal fold and crumble......:)

Ask Chris D about us sitting in those at this years auto show. What a huge pile of junk they are. To buy one, you must not even look at it or sit it in first, you just go, I want one and buy it. Then the first drive is like, wow....this sucks. Then they go and file a complaint. H2 is has the highest number of customer complaints than any other vehicle.

[stoneage]

Bill, what is that Free Ridin' UFO hopping off the buiding in Hum2? Must be alien Shad.
That is my rear view mirror mount. I took the mirror off, because I can't see out the back of my H2 anyway. ;)
Either that or it's a hijacked sardine can about to slam into Hansford Pontiac.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[FSSS]

Anyone seen the trail today??


Thanks,
TP

[quinnsoccer27]

I rode over there today, the trails were still kinda wet, Id say they are good to go by tomarow afternoon, provided we dont get any more rain

[LightWeight]

Perfect today!

[flombe]

Rained 1.25" this morning. I assume the trails are soaked. Forecast (http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ifps/MapClick.php?CityName=Minneapolis&state=MN&site=mpx)looks good for Tuesday!

[stoneage]

Wirth is great. Rode a cross bike in there from 5:30-7 PM.

[Kosk]

Caution:, In the south loop, at the first inslope turn on the decent to the kiosk, the city has cut down a marked tree. Must have been right at the end of the day because they just left it there, at neck height!!! We pushed it down a bit, to about 3/4 wheel height, but it is too big to move. Hopefully no night riders experience any carnage.

Pete or somebody else might want to talk to the city and explain to them the ramifications of their actions. Obviously we have to ride cautiously at all times, but this was pretty skechy regardless.

[The Buckthorn Killer]

Caution:, In the south loop, at the first inslope turn on the decent to the kiosk, the city has cut down a marked tree. Must have been right at the end of the day because they just left it there, at neck height!!! We pushed it down a bit, to about 3/4 wheel height, but it is too big to move. Hopefully no night riders experience any carnage.

Pete or somebody else might want to talk to the city and explain to them the ramifications of their actions. Obviously we have to ride cautiously at all times, but this was pretty skechy regardless.

If it's under 6 inches in dia. then we can cut it tomarrow at trail work.

[Kosk]

It's more oblong, 8" x 10" maybe, it pinned the inside of the turn, right in mid-turn. I believe it is a Elm tree, with a red-orange blaze on the trunk. I just found it rather amusing that anybody would take the time to cut it down properly, and then just leave it laying across the trail, suspended by brush at neck level, and not take the additional 5 minutes to cut the main trunk into a couple of sections and at least get it down on the ground, where it is less of a accident waiting to happen.

[FSSS]

Thanks for posting Kosk.

[FSSS]

We're getting a really good soaking right now, so please wait until later on Thursday to check out the trail. Longer if the rain keeps up. And watch out for down branches/trees - we had some pretty strong winds tonight.

And remember...
Trails are considered closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.

The trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots have dried up.

[FSSS]

I walked the trail from 3-4:30 today. Removed a few small trees and branches from the trail.

There is a large tree down in the Enchanted Forest section (south loop) - shortly after the new downhill reroute. The trail is completely blocked.

Otherwise the trail is in great shape. A few wet/soft spots, but overall tacky.

Remember, ride through the soft spots... not around them.


Thanks,
tp

[Uncle Leo]

There is a large tree down in the Enchanted Forest section (south loop) - shortly after the new downhill reroute. The trail is completely blocked.

I rode Theo over lunch, the trail is in awesome shape except for the downed tree. When you said the trail is competely blocked, you weren't kidding! There's so much foliage you can't even see the trail. I had to do a little hiking without the bike just to figure out where the trail eventually started up again.

Had a deer run across the trail right in front of me. Gotta love urban singletrack!

[FSSS]

As of 3:30 Friday the tree was still there. MPRB has been notified.

[FSSS]

Walked the south loop at about 12 noon today (Sat. 9/24).

The tread was softer than I expected. I'd stay off it for today.

It typically takes 6-8 hours to harden up after a rain. Please be patient.

The downed tree is still blocking the trail in The Enchanted Forest.

And remember...
Trails are closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.

Trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots are dry.


tp

[redwood]

My brother and I removed the tree this afternoon.

[FSSS]

I walked the trail this morning (11am Sunday 9/25).

The trail is wet and soft. Muddy in a lot of spots.

We've received a fair amount of rain over the last 5 days... so it'll take longer than usual to dry out. If the forecast is correct we'll be getting more rain later today, but I'd guess the trail might be worth checking later on Monday afternoon.

Please be patient.

And please remember...
Trails are closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.

Trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots are dry.


tp

[col200]

My brother and I removed the tree this afternoon.

Wow, thanks! We owe you a beer.

[manual63]

Any updates on Theo today would be greatly appreciated. It rained a lot and I am not sure if it will dry out for tonights ride.

Hopefully someone can get us a status report so we can decide if the Kenwood ride will happen tonight.

[stoneage]

....but I'll try to get by the trail this afternoon. I can't ride because of the ribs, so I 'll be hitting the road.

[Trevize1138]

It's going to be close because of the rain we got pretty much all day yesterday. I'm guessing it'll be just dry enough by tonight, though.

[JLS]

What time do you start riding? 6:00 from Kenwwod?

[mara]

What time do you start riding? 6:00 from Kenwwod?

That's when the "B" group leaves. Some kids will finish with lights and some will probably duck out around dusk. Cross your fingers for dry trails -- hope to see you out there! :cool:

[manual63]

I think if the trail has a good number of wet areas, where people will ride around the mud and widen the trail, we should probably call the ride. We will hopefully get a report from Bill soon.

If we can ride, it will be a lot of fun. Probably half in the light, the other half in the dark......:)

[JLS]

Mara are you and Shad doing the "A" or "B" ride? I'm an "A" ride kind of guy, but would stoop to the "B" ride for you guys fine company.

[mara]

Mara are you and Shad doing the "A" or "B" ride? I'm an "A" ride kind of guy, but would stoop to the "B" ride for you guys fine company.

Wow -- it would be an honor to have you stoop down to my level :p

No, I'm strictly a "B" chick -- the fast guys leave at 5:30. If you stop along the trail and concentrate really hard, you might be able to see the blur as they go by. You'd fit right in!

[manual63]

Mara are you and Shad doing the "A" or "B" ride? I'm an "A" ride kind of guy, but would stoop to the "B" ride for you guys fine company.

Oh thanks.....we love you too John......:) We are the "B" ride....at 6:00pm. Bring lights if you have them, then you can stoop to our level for longer....:p

[JLS]

Charged up my light last night - I'll try to be there by 6:00. I have some house maint. to do first so don't wait.

[manual63]

Charged up my light last night - I'll try to be there by 6:00. I have some house maint. to do first so don't wait.

Make sure you check here for ride conditions. We are still waiting for a Bill report before we know if the trails are dry yet.

[stoneage]

The official Kenwood ride is 5 for the rest of the riding season, and there is a night ride at 6. I called PC with the update, but here it is. "Okey Dokey". You will find wet spots, of course, on the Skyline and the low spots, but all in all it is pretty good. Have fun and see you next week.

[manual63]

You will find wet spots, of course, on the Skyline and the low spots, but all in all it is pretty good. Have fun and see you next week.

Guess we did a good job making and maintain the trail then.....:)

Thanks for the update.

[bigwheel]

Me too. :) I assume it is still at Kenwood. I'm planning to stop over there for the 6pm B ride. ( although, I'm more like a B- or C+ ) Heading home now to swap the lights over to the SS.

If anyone finds that it is not rideable, please post something right away. I'll check back before I leave.

[FSSS]

How where the trails last night??

[homebrewbiker]

The trails were OK. However, the entrance to the "main trail" loop (by the golf course) is getting really really really really bad when it is wet. Amazingly White Pine Flyer was in good enough shape to ride.

[FSSS]

However, the entrance to the "main trail" loop (by the golf course) is getting really really really really bad when it is wet.

Do you mean the service road/woodchip trail, or are you talking about the singletrack?

[manual63]

Do you mean the service road/woodchip trail, or are you talking about the singletrack?

Service road......it needs a lot of help!

There were a few wet spots, but I am very impressed with how well the trail is holding up. We had a lot of rain in the last few days and the trail was rideable within 24 hours of all the rain.

The new armor section was in really good shape, can't wait to put in the jump......:)

[manual63]

We did not finish the armoring we started last night. Please be careful when on the return trail, not far after the qualifier, to HWY 55 where the berms are. There is a temporary reroute to the right of the rocks. We put logs and such on the rocks so they don't look rideable. Just slow down and go to the right of the rocks. We will be working on this Sunday starting at 10:30 am. Anyone who wants to come help out, please do. We need to get this done as fast as we can......thanks.

[FSSS]

Trail was great today. The 'potholes' on Skyline were muddy, but that's it.

Rain in the forecast though. :cryin:

[FSSS]

Forecast is for around 4 inches of rain before it's all over.
Please stay off until at least Thursday - maybe longer with the cooler temps.
Trail conditions will be updated after trailwork tomorrow.

Please be patient, and remember...

Trails are closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.

Trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots are dry.

[ryno lite]

I already have over 5 inches in SE MPLS and they say more might come. Maybe 6-8 inches total. Could take awhile to dry with cooler temps!

[col200]

Seeing I can't drive my car off of my block, I'd say the trail are closed tomorrow :crazy:

[Trevize1138]

All we need is a good cold snap to freeze the ground and then snow! Gotta get going on my studded tire project :).

[flombe]

It will be interesting to see how the trail fared. My guess is it shed the rain and will be rideable whenever the monsoon passes. The forecast looks cool and windy. That ought to help!

[manual63]

It will be interesting to see how the trail fared. My guess is it shed the rain and will be rideable whenever the monsoon passes. The forecast looks cool and windy. That ought to help!

I suggest giving the trail at least 12 hours to dry out....if not longer. With no sun and cooler weather, it's not going to dry out as fast as it normally does.

[FSSS]

The parts of the trail I saw today were still pretty wet and soft.
If you live nearby, it may be worth checking out later on Thursday afternoon.

If you check it out, please use good judgement:

Trails are closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.

Trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots are dry.


Thanks


p.s. I'll be out again Thursday afternoon.

[fatbaldpop1]

Are there a handful of obvious locations which would be indicators of wet vs. dry for the majority of the trails?

[manual63]

Please keep in mind, there may be a lot of dry spots, but there are also low wet spots too. So just because one section might be dry, it does not mean the trails are fully dry and ready to ride.

[Wheels]

Are there a handful of obvious locations which would be indicators of wet vs. dry for the majority of the trails?

The southbound trail on the short loop (Skyline) is going to stay wet the longest, as far as the rest of the trail goes - there's wet stuff on most of the sections, so you'll know.

The "Hill" seems to stay dry though :)

[fatbaldpop1]

5pm...I just walked around over there. Nice day for a walk in the woods, probably worth staying off of the trails for another day with the bikes though....enough places with obvious standing water that the pagan God of Trails will be happier. I'm concluding there is a 80:20 rule here. 80% is nearly bone dry while 20% isn't ready for the knobbies..


I will wait til tomorrow pm...thanks for the feedback.

[FSSS]

Good call Will.

I'd agree 100%. It seemed borderline from what I saw.
Waiting 'til later on Friday would be my recommendation.

If the forecast stays the same, Saturday should be freakin' awesome!


tp

[fatbaldpop1]

Went for a walk with my wife in the woods instead, flushed a few pheasant and also heard the happy drum beat of Tall Pete pleased that one less biker was gnashing the trails...Slept well last night...

This afternoon will be excellent.

[FSSS]

heard the happy drum beat of Tall Pete pleased that one less biker was gnashing the trails...

:)

I hope my posts don't come off too bossy.

My goal is for it to become common knowledge that it's bad to ride on wet/soft trails.

Ideally, Wirth trail users will have (and use) good judgement... versus trying to get the MPRB to play a larger enforcement role.


p.s. Anyone try the trail today??


tp

[fatbaldpop1]

Shoot no...this was meant as a complement combined with a poor effort at entertainment.... Rode this afternoon and it was tremendous...

[Aaroneous]

I rode two laps late Sunday afternoon, and it was in great shape. Tacky and firm. The only real mud was the woodchip trail right by the north loop's trailhead - yuck!!
And nice work by the trail crew on the new armoring by the 55 exit - really smooth, and made that turn a little more exciting...
Go ride! :banana:

[col200]

rode today (monday) and it was in great shape. I love the new armoring that's been done. Looks like Tall Pete and crew were out there today cutting the new entrance.

[FSSS]

Raining... the tread is soft.
It MAY be rideable later on Thursday afternoon.

Please use good judgement when checking on the trail:
Trails are closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.
Trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots are dry.

[FSSS]

Did anyone check the trail?

How was it?


tp

[99FSRComp]

I road both sections tonight about 5:30. BIG puddles on the road on the way in past the Par 3, very soft at the entrance to the trail. There were over a dozen puddle size areas where it was pretty soft, but you were able to ride around it. These are the conditions where it would be a good time to mark those areas so they can be worked on. Maybe we could try that next year.

As far as the section closer to Hwy. 55, Skyline had several actual water/mud puddles. I realize this is mostly legacy trail, but it should receive some attention and try tyo get a bench cut in there.

See you at trail work Sunday.

[FSSS]

I only saw the south loop today, but it was in great shape!

...once the Skyline potholes got filled with gravel. :banana:

Thanks guys.

[FSSS]

Theo is most likely too wet to ride this morning (from the rain that came through last night).

With the cooler temps and the amount of leaves on the trail, it is drying out much slower than this summer. If it warms up and gets sunny, it may be worth checking later in the afternoon.

Please use good judgement when checking on the trail:
Trails are closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.
Trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots are dry.

Please be patient if the trail isn't ready.

[FSSS]

Anyone have a report? I'm guessing it is pretty nice.

[undsioux7]

was in pretty good shape. Great job on the southern loop to fill in those spots holding water! I like the new entrance to the southern loop too! I actually went right by it to the old trail and saw it was blocked then saw the sign. Much better for people looking for the trail for the first time. There was some muddy areas on the north loop, but overall it was all good.

[MickUZE]

GREAT ride last night!!! The new additions to the trailes are kicks ass!! Keep up the good work! They are getting better and better ever time I ride!!! The triple jump at the end needs some work but everything else rocks!! GET OUT AND RIDE!

PEACE UZE

[FSSS]

The trail looked great from what we saw during trailwork tonight!!

[FSSS]

Before the rain, the trail was tacky with some soft spots.

The rain this afternoon is enough to make the tread too soft to ride today. Also, with leaves on the trail and cooler temps, the trail will take more time to dry out.

Please use good judgement when checking on the trail:
Trails are closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.
Trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots are dry.

Please be patient if the trail isn't ready.

[syntaxjunkie]

Thinking about riding Theo today. Really, seriously need to get out and ride somewhere today. Anyone out there last night/this morning? Looks like we got a smidge of precipitation last night, but under normal conditions not enough to cancel a ride over. Anyone have a firsthand report?

[stoneage]

I rode 6 laps last night and it was perfect. All kinds of newbies looking for direction and raving about the trail. We got wet over here last night and with the coolness and grey day I don't think it should be ridden. Trail work at 10: 30 for those interested in moving some pines out of the way of the ski trail. Get a road ride in over to the Birchwood for one of Tracy's killer scones.

[soupboy]

pedal over this afternoon and skid through the mud. It's been fairly windy and the precip seemed to be more of the mist kind than real rain here in SLP.

[gmargolf]

Maybe somebody could help, if I am heading west on 55 and need to get to the Glenwood parking area to ride Wirth, what exit would I need to take???

[thebionicman]

If you are going west on 55 from 94 you need to take a left on Theodore Wirth Parkway. Go south till you hit the stop sign. Take a left and the parking area is on the left side of the road. You then get on your bike and ride back the way you just came. Get to the intersection of 55 and Theo, trail head is at the northwest corner of the intersection.

[FSSS]

Trail was borderline this afternoon during trailwork.

Tacky with a lot of soft spots.

I'm gonna wait until at least tomorrow.

tp

[soupboy]

starting at 330pm. Only a couple iffy spots - otherwise good stuff.

As always, thanks to MOCA for making a solid trail I can pedal to from mi casa.

Trail was borderline this afternoon during trailwork.

Tacky with a lot of soft spots.

I'm gonna wait until at least tomorrow.

tp

[manual63]

Theo was pretty wet yesterday. Anyone been out there today that can give us a report?

[FSSS]

Trail was GREAT today.

A couple semi-soft corners in the beginning of Twister, but that was it.

Get out there!!!!

I'm guessing the mornings are pretty dewy though.

[FSSS]

WET.

The rain this morning was enough to make the tread too soft to ride today. Also, with leaves on the trail and cooler temps, the trail will take more time to dry out.

Please use good judgement when checking on the trail:
Trails are closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.
Trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots are dry.

Please be patient if the trail isn't ready.

[FSSS]

Trail looks good.

Tacky.

Bill may have more to add...

[stoneage]

Bill is tacky also....

[fatbaldpop1]

a few wet spots b/c of leaves, none b/c of trail. a real eye opener over by Cedar, though. Wow, end of an era....which means the dawning of the next era...

NO commentary on riding Bill and whether he is tacky...

[99FSRComp]

a few wet spots b/c of leaves, none b/c of trail. a real eye opener over by Cedar, though. Wow, end of an era....which means the dawning of the next era...

NO commentary on riding Bill and whether he is tacky...
What has happened over by Cedar?

[fatbaldpop1]

Heavy Metal....the 14-18' wide swath cut to accommodate the ski trail..no more single track there...for now.

[99FSRComp]

WET.

The rain this morning was enough to make the tread too soft to ride today. Also, with leaves on the trail and cooler temps, the trail will take more time to dry out.

Please use good judgement when checking on the trail:
Trails are closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.
Trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots are dry.

Please be patient if the trail isn't ready.

I just figured out that the reason John Lundell isn't out there with his leaf blower clearing and drying the trail is the policy prohibiting power tools.:D

[FSSS]

I just figured out that the reason John Lundell isn't out there with his leaf blower clearing and drying the trail is the policy prohibiting power tools.:D

We'll be out blowing/raking leaves sometime in the next 2 weeks or so... the leaves are staying on the trees pretty late this year.

I'd guess Lundell has his hands full with the Leb leaves - we'd love his help though!!


tp

[Kosk]

Rode the trail today at 4:15pm from straight outta downtown in street clothes, sneakers, and a messenger bag on the cross-check. Great evening for a ride. Trail is in good shape, lots of leaves. The tread has that perfect tacky moisture level that makes it really hook up, but the leaves on top of that make it tricky, so watch it.

The two tables (north and south) are cool, nice work guys, but both need to be bigger, I cleared both in the drops with the above mentioned setup......if I was on the MTB they would have just been speed bumps.

I haven't noticed it mentioned yet, so.......If you live in NE or a similar area, and ride to/from Wirth via Plymouth Ave, find a new way. The bridge as Plymouth comes over the RR tracks and the Creek into the Parkway is in the process of being torn down. The construction company has a temporary gangway across the creek and stairs up the bank, but I assume it would be trespassing to use this, so use your best judgement.

[99FSRComp]

Conditions were great yesterday. I got there about 4:15 and did 2 laps. I more people out during this nice weather. Not too many people out Saturday either. I saw a guy with no shirt and a shaven head having fun. He passed me and was off like a rocket, jumping everything he came across. Oh, did I mention that he was on a bike? ;)

[FSSS]

Trail was in GREAT shape this afternoon... dry as a bone in some areas, tacky in others, and all the leaves were dry... awesome!

[stoneage]

'Layered' dry leaves are sketchier than wet as far as I'm concerned. There is no saving it or hooking up when you start sliding. I don't think it matters what tire pressure you're running either. Makes it interesting.

[redwood]

Very tack at dusk today. Leaves weren't bad. Trail rides pretty well right now. bummer about the rain.

[FSSS]

Yeah, the trail has been really nice lately. Looks like next week may be another good one... (according to the weather people).

Unfortunately, the rain today will make the tread too soft to ride for a little while. And with leaves on the trail and cooler temps, it'll take more time to dry out.

Please use good judgement when checking on the trail:
Trails are closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.
Trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots are dry.

Please be patient if the trail isn't ready.

[g1xster]

Am thinking of bringing the little shooter out for a ride...anyone know if Theo's dry enough to ride this afternoon?

[soupboy]

wet leaves made the corners "interesting" but other than that AOK.

[FSSS]

How were the conditions for the night ride last night??

[manual63]

How were the conditions for the night ride last night??

They were very good. Some of the leaves are wet, so watch the corners with leaves. Besides that, the trail is solid.

[FSSS]

Thanks Shad.

I quoted you on the 'Trail Conditions' page. :)

[gopherhockey]

I rode TW for the first time ever last night... night ride with Bob, Shad, Steve and a few others who joined us on the trail.

I've worked on it a few times but never gotten the chance to ride. Conditions were great and the trail was really fun to ride - everyone did a SUPER job on this trail. I hope there can be many more miles added.

I liked how the flow of the trail was not like any others... at times it felt like part of the Leb expert loop (the area just before the XX entrance where it winds around) but yet different. I especially liked the dips in the trail where you could get some air.. and the rock areas were very cool. I missed the skinny the first time but hit it the second - that was cool too.

I did eventually have an encounter with my shoulder and a tree (the tree won) but that was to be expected carrying that kind of speed on an unknown trail winding between the trees keeping up with Shad.

So... this was a bit more than a trail condition, but I wanted to say thanks to everyone that has put in time over there on the trails. I hope to join the night ride again sometime. (hopefully more people will show up next time...)

It feels good to get away from my home trail of Leb and experience some of the exciting areas we have going on around the metro...

[Wheels]

John,

Funny that the two of us just rode each other's trails for the first time this fall - gotta' get out of your own back yard more often.

Glad you liked. :)

[manual63]

I did eventually have an encounter with my shoulder and a tree (the tree won) but that was to be expected carrying that kind of speed on an unknown trail winding between the trees keeping up with Shad.

The secret is to not care about your shoulders and just nail the trees everytime. I am not that fast, I just make as straight a line as I can.....:D

[jitterjepp]

Anyone else read the story about the trail closing In a county park near Newark. It sounds like what happened there or was happening there was the same stuff that went on at wirth before mountain bikes came into the park legally. Meaning all the wierd stuff like satan ritutals, naked weirdos, teenage parties, bodies.....

Maybe we could help them by explaining what happened here when the MTB's came to town.

[waitabit]

Anyone else read the story about the trail closing In a county park near Newark. It sounds like what happened there or was happening there was the same stuff that went on at wirth before mountain bikes came into the park legally. Meaning all the wierd stuff like satan ritutals, naked weirdos, teenage parties, bodies.....

Maybe we could help them by explaining what happened here when the MTB's came to town.I say we encourage "naked weirdos" though, you can never have enough of them! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_6_1.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_2_100.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS)

[jitterjepp]

I say we encourage "naked weirdos" though, you can never have enough of them! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_6_1.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_2_100.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS)
Apparently you never came around a switchback at wirth and ran into and physically touched one of there weirdos guys while they were walking along with no clothes at all and with thier thing in thier...

I sure many others here have similar stories.

Sorry man I can live without all that.

[waitabit]

Apparently you never came around a switchback at wirth and ran into and physically touched one of there weirdos guys while they were walking along with no clothes at all and with thier thing in thier...

I sure many others here have similar stories.

Sorry man I can live without all that.You're right I have'nt, and I don't want to experience that, it was just humor, I'm kidding.:crazy:

[flombe]

Most excellent! Leaves remain slippery and I enjoy the two wheel drift in the corners.

No naked weirdos to report, but I did see approximately 20 other weirdos riding around with lights tonight. It is almost mid-November and I saw three to four different group rides! At night. That's cool.

[jitterjepp]

Most excellent! Leaves remain slippery and I enjoy the two wheel drift in the corners.

No naked weirdos to report, but I did see approximately 20 other weirdos riding around with lights tonight. It is almost mid-November and I saw three to four different group rides! At night. That's cool.

seeeeeee -wheat.:banana::banana::banana:

[flombe]

Beautiful again last night. Enough said. Looks like rain (http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ifps/MapClick.php?CityName=Minneapolis&state=MN&site=mpx)after noon on Saturday!

[FSSS]

Did anyone check on the trail today???

[Whatsmymantra?]

Rode last night and the trail was great. I love riding on the leaves in the fall, lets you know right away if your line is sustainable.

[stoneage]

Did anyone check on the trail today???
The trail was in great shape. The leaves were still a little damp underneath in some spots, dry in others. Keeps you on your toes. Saw a lot of skidding, probably some noob. Lots, and I mean LOTS of deer in, where else, Whitetail. They were laying right beside the trail, and got up quickly and moved to the side about 30 feet. There had to be ten of them. Careful on the night rides. You're just a small car to them.

[stoneage]

The city tree crew doesn't really have much respect for the trail when they haul trees out. I cleared a bunch more rubbish last night. It isn't a big deal, as long as they don't leave head knockers and eye gougers. (edit) I was just thinking, the deer were probably displaced by the logging. The NW section (that we didn't put trail in) is being logged, and that is probably where the deer were hanging out.

[homebrewbiker]

I was out last night at about 7:30 - 8:30 and the trail was in great shape. I did not ride Skyline on the way out, since my light went caput just before "Bill's Rocks" in North Star during my second lap.

It was great riding and I did not see another soul on the trail. Did not really see much wildlife either (human or animal):eyeroll:

I am guessing this may be the last ride at Wirth for awhile given the current weather reports.

[FSSS]

WET.

The rain last night and today will make the tread too soft to ride. Also, with leaves on the trail and cooler temps, the trail will take more time to dry out.

When the trails start to dry out, please use good judgement:
Trails are closed in wet weather and when the trail tread is soft or wet.
Trails are open if the tread is solid and most all the soft/muddy spots are dry.

Please be patient if the trail isn't ready.

[stoneage]

I'm going to try and get out just after noon today. I'm guessing OK because of the wind and temp.

[syntaxjunkie]

This year, more than most, I've been feeling very not-from-around-here. For whatever reason, it's been harder and harder to talk myself into riding since the temperature started dipping below 40 degrees. Standing at the bus stop this morning after slip-sliding my way down the sidewalk, head bowed away from the wind, biking was probably the furthest thing from my mind.

Kudos to all with thicker skin and warmer core temperatures. Descended from reptilian stock ye must be. Hopefully, I can overcome this bout of weather-wussiness and get back in the saddle.

[stoneage]

It's 10º warmer in the woods. Something about radiant heat from the trees. ;)

[flombe]

It's 10º warmer in the woods. Something about radiant heat from the trees. ;)

I think at Theo the micro-climate is caused by the decomposition of the materials in the old dump.....

[syntaxjunkie]

Or the release of buried organic compounds, surplus ordinance, radioctive waste and quite possibly a few corpses. Just thinking about what's been socked away there over the years gives me the willies.

[fatbaldpop1]

Wander over to Cedar Lake Trails. It is an active micro climate experiencing creative destruction. The past has been/is being revealed now that the stump grinder/tree slasher piece of iron has digested the new ski trail. The stuff which has surfaced will test the limits of the phrase, "One person's junk is another's treasure."

[stoneage]

Time: 2:30
Temp: 18º
Tires: unstudded
Bike: 2X1 SS
Trail: Noisy (crispy wind blown snow)
Company: 0
Good shape. Tree down at the end of Conundrum into Snake. Lots of debris from wind. Cleaned up the worst. Couple of super slick spots where the water puddled. Rode everything including the rock pile.

[Yammer]

Can we ride today?

[stoneage]

Can we ride today?
I would guess, with the temp just crossing 32º and a little snow on the trail, it could be a little sketchy. Best judgment would be my call.

[Yammer]

That was my guess too. I am hoping that someone will have a report today possibly.
Thanks, Pat

[manual63]

There was a small rain and it was a very damp night last night. Can someone post up a current trail condition for Theo if they are near there. Most likely....Bill.....:)

Thanks

[stoneage]

There was a small rain and it was a very damp night last night. Can someone post up a current trail condition for Theo if they are near there. Most likely....Bill.....:)

Thanks
I'll try to get by there later.
:)

[manual63]

A message from Bill.

The trails are in perfect shape for riding. I guess the leaf removal did some good......:)

[fatbaldpop1]

Rode this morning while still below freezing. Trails were great...private sanctuary...all good.

[flombe]

I was out last night and the trail is in tip top shape. Thanks to all who removed the leaves. See my whining post in trail related issues (http://www.morcmtb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12197) about the service road. It is all thick, gooey, icky mud.

[stoneage]

Wednesday 2:30-4:45. Doesn't get any better than this. Didn't even realize it was windy til I left. Happy Thanksgiving!!!

[soupboy]

Trails were tackier than Shad yesterday. Quite a feat!

Too bad the bottom fell out of the thermometer today.

Brrr...

Wednesday 2:30-4:45. Doesn't get any better than this. Didn't even realize it was windy til I left. Happy Thanksgiving!!!

[stoneage]

Trails were tackier than Shad yesterday. Quite a feat!
Ohhh, Shad's tacky almost everyday. ;)

[flombe]

I got to ride! Super fast and concrete-like today! Beautiful morning. Saw 5 other brave souls out there too.

[stoneage]

I am heading out at 10 today to lay some fresh tracks at Wirth. I love the first snowfall rides. :)
First out!!!! :crazy2: :banana: Did the A loop twice as the snow was coming down pretty good. Then went over and did the B loop. The trickiest part of the whole trail is Dingo. Those quick little off camber dives make you put your foot down. Rode everything but the rock pile. Went about 3/4 the way up and lost traction. Stayed on the bike and kicked over the top. Finishing up I caught 6 more people, including a dad with one of those trail bikes hooked to the back of his bike, hauling a 7 year old around, and another kid riding his own bike. Studs weren't necessary yet, but another 20-30 riders and they might be. It might be time to break out the XC skis if we get another dump on Monday.

[RedSquirrel]

Finishing up I caught 6 more people, including a dad with one of those trail bikes hooked to the back of his bike, hauling a 7 year old around, and another kid riding his own bike.

Hey, that was us you saw out there!!

We had a good time. Tag along boy got a little cold later as he was just sitting.

Nice ride today, sure pretty out there. Snow was creaky. Agreed, studs may be helpful later as pack out begins. We had home made studs on just the rear, cause I only have two. We were going slow enough that the front didn't slid out. The extra grip was noticed a bit on the climbs. Later.

[stoneage]

that was us
Another face to a username!!!!
Now you know who to avoid, disNjointedflatlander. ;)
The trail was getting downright busy by the time I left. I hope the kids had fun. How old are they, BTW.

[flombe]

I rode around 3:00 PM and the trail was becoming slippery in many spots but completely rideable (except for the rocky climb) without spikes. These conditions are a good test of handling skills and reaction time (i.e. how fast you can clip out and dab)! Very peaceful to boot.

Heath, did you graduate from Armstrong HS in or about 1984?

[RedSquirrel]

10 and 6, the 7 year old wasn't there. Yup they had fun, esp. the older, he's really coming into his own on the mtn bike.

[RedSquirrel]

Eric, that's me. Busted. I sent you a PM. Heath

[flombe]

Ha! I will check the PM.

[fatbaldpop1]

Rode this afternoon. No studs. 40lb pressure. 1-2" of snow over frozen tundra. Good ride...rode flat pedal, not clipped...made the difference. there is ice lurking in many places as well.


No Bill sighting...no recent tire tracks either. Saw 3 skiiers..

[stoneage]

No Bill sighting
Took a week off. Did some yoga, and went out with the rock skis at Theo today. I gotta get back skiing again. My RCS's have 9 year old glide wax on them. :cryin:

[fatbaldpop1]

Probably should scrape off the old pine tar from the wood bottoms and make sure all 3 pins on each binding is in shape as well?!:D


I will loan you my old bamboo poles if you need them:scream:

[Trevize1138]

Rode this afternoon. No studs. 40lb pressure. 1-2" of snow over frozen tundra. Good ride...rode flat pedal, not clipped...made the difference. there is ice lurking in many places as well.


No Bill sighting...no recent tire tracks either. Saw 3 skiiers..

Yeah, it needs a few more inches. I got a nice little gouge in my new 145cm backcountry skis on it last night. Oh well, I'll take what I can get with snow the way it's been these years! Stick to the golf course if you care about the bases on your skis and wait until more snow to hit the singletrack. ;)

[funky-funky-chicken]

Sunday 2pm. Conditions are EXCELLENT. Fully snow covered with a nice wide path packed down from what appears to be a number of riders. Met Scott out there by happenstance. Rode two laps with him, then two more laps by myself. Quite a few skiers out, but no other riders to be seen.

South of the tracks and north of 55 there does not seem to be as much use. Not quite the same defined path packed down. Go ride, have fun.

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Theo-Wirth Report for 11/04/05: Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

Nice meeting you, Ken. Hope to see you out again sometime.

[col200]

I was there around 1:45 and it was awesome. My first winter single-track experience and it was great. A bit slippery in spots but I was amazed how well the bike handled on there. My buddy rode some Nokian 294's on there and that seemed to do the trick. We were both a little skeptical about them but they convinced us otherwise.

[Earthman]

I was there around 1:45 and it was awesome. My first winter single-track experience and it was great. A bit slippery in spots but I was amazed how well the bike handled on there. My buddy rode some Nokian 294's on there and that seemed to do the trick. We were both a little skeptical about them but they convinced us otherwise.

i hit wirth the day before it snowed it was a great ride, yesterday i finished making my home schooled winter tires with a total of 236 squared 5/8 nails in each tire i ended up by worth when it was snowing so i tried them out the worked great but damn what a work out in the winter. i did two laps went home and took a nap.

[fatbaldpop1]

Rode at 10:30 this morning. -1 according to radio. Snow was very dry and my ears were very cold. Still no sign of Bill...After 2 laps and about 40 minutes my ears needed a break. the trail is exlcellent and can be ridden w or w/o studded tires.

Be careful in one or two spots...the low bridges are lower b/c of extra trail height...

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Rode Theo with a friend late afternoon today. Finished up when it got dark.

Both the north and south loops are well packed and without ice.

Very very rideable.

No special Winter gear required.

John was on his usual XC with old 1.95" tires. Just dropped the pressure and rode everything.

[flombe]

']Rode Theo with a friend late afternoon today. Finished up when it got dark.

Both the north and south loops are well packed and without ice.

Very very rideable.

No special Winter gear required.

John was on his usual XC with old 1.95" tires. Just dropped the pressure and rode everything.

Yup! What he said. Go ride.

[flombe]

Bumped into Stoneage and we did a couple of laps - he was on slicks (worn knobbies) and I was on studs. First lap no real problems for either of us, a slip here or there, a front-wheel washout crash for me.

We chatted for a few minutes between laps. Second lap was a different story. The sky went gray and things slicked up and became more interesting. Still rideable without studs, but fewer surprises with them.

A great day to be out there! It was HOT!

Looks like new snow tomorrow!

[syntaxjunkie]

rode a couple laps today at around 3:30, trying out the new studded tires (thanks to chuck at behind bars, and scott puhl for recommending). not sure they made much of a difference one way or the other today. did my share of slipping and sliding, but had a good time.

tire presure question: first lap i ran at the recommended 40 psi. second lap, i dropped down a bit from there. anyone have any thoughts on the optimal pressure to run studded tires?

[Kosk]

tire presure question: first lap i ran at the recommended 40 psi. second lap, i dropped down a bit from there. anyone have any thoughts on the optimal pressure to run studded tires?

I ran a couple laps at theo today as well, around 11am. I wasn't using studs, but either way, 40psi is rediculously high. I was running my rear tire right around 20+ and the front in the teens and it hooked up really well for a snow ride.

What size are your studed tires? The bigger they are the lower you can run 'em. I think last time I rode with Bob and Ted they were running real low pressures too. Try something below 30 and go from there, you want the contact patch nice and wide and long to get a max foot print and as many studs as possible in contact with the ground.

[syntaxjunkie]

thanks. so much for following directions. :fool:

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anyone have any thoughts on the optimal pressure to run studded tires?

Not much use for studs today at Harmon. No ice. The snow was just starting to pack enough to really grab. Really easy to lose the bite.

About 20-25psi seemed to be good for those conditions. My last couple of Wirth rides 25-30 seemed to handle well. The studs helped a bit there as it was really well packed, but still no ice. With the warm weather today I assume Wirth's pack started getting torn up and looser, and I'd want to drop down a bit.

If you want to really try out your Klondikes, go find a local skating rink and chase some kids around. You'll get your money's worth out of them in a few maliscious minutes.

[stoneage]

Nice seeing Flombe out there today (2-4?) Found him after a few laps with other friends. First two were great with no real probs. Felt like a little loose sand on hardpack. If you slipped it hooked right back up again. Sun came out and then it felt like you were floating a little more. 4th lap it got gray again and I could hardly hold it in any serious corner. Rode the S loop twice, also.
p.s. ordered the 700c 240's

[Kosk]

thanks. so much for following directions. :fool:

Another thing to note is that the stiffness of your sidewalls will really dictate how low you can go as well.

[mtnbykr]

tire presure question: first lap i ran at the recommended 40 psi. second lap, i dropped down a bit from there. anyone have any thoughts on the optimal pressure to run studded tires?

missed most of this thread cuz it's trail conditions not studded tires but...

if you're running the cheepy innovas, try 15-20psi. the sidewall is stiff enough to hold you up. i've ran mine down in the 10 psi range w/o any troubles.

if you're not running the cheepy innovas, disregard the above info.

kl

[col200]

Trail was in great shape today. I was running old specialized Ground Control tires (far past it's tread prime too) and I was surprised at how much grip I was getting in some of those corners. Some of the climbs were impossible with my setup ,but if you're riding studs (or that Pugsley soemone's riding out there...I could see the tire tread the entire length of the trail:D) you'll be fine.

[Trevize1138]

I packed down section 5 (aka "White Pine Flyer" or the section with the concrete skinny) with my wide backcountry skis over lunch. There was evidence of one biker having been on the trails before me.

If you got a bike and like busting through deep, wet snow, now's the time! If you've got the skis that fit the job, try it out! I was telemarking through some of the little bench-cut dips here and there. Rock!

[Wheels]

Trails are wet - but firm, seem to dry out every time a wave goes out.

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/500/beach_shot.jpg

[Yammer]

I'd like to ride tomorrow after work ~5 pm. How do you think it'll be out there?

Pat:jumpy:

[fatbaldpop1]

I was yesterday's lone rider. conditions: 6" of new wet snow. Lap time: approximately 1 hour. Calories burned: a whole bunch. Winter riding at its best and most difficult. I would suspect a snow shoe or two will pack it down and by the week's end it will become a "trail" again...

If you are one of the first "riders" go out with a back country attitude and you will love it.

[Trevize1138]

I was yesterday's lone rider. conditions: 6" of new wet snow. Lap time: approximately 1 hour. Calories burned: a whole bunch. Winter riding at its best and most difficult. I would suspect a snow shoe or two will pack it down and by the week's end it will become a "trail" again...

If you are one of the first "riders" go out with a back country attitude and you will love it.

Did you ride just before noon? If so I'm the guy who waved at you from the car on Wirth Parkway as you transitioned from the north loop to "Skyline." :)

I'll try to get out more and pack that thing down s'more, but after getting out twice to climb and then carve down hills I'm pretty damn sore! :hit:

[fatbaldpop1]

It sure was me! I tried riding again today. Even with your double track the trail had simply become too deep. I ended up throwing my bike against a tree and taking a jog (ouch) and then left some good karma for whoever heads in there next.

[Trevize1138]

I did notice that I didn't sink as deep as your tires. That's the breaks with more surface area :).

[stoneage]

Trails are wet - but firm, seem to dry out every time a wave goes out.

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/500/beach_shot.jpg
The tire track looks oddly like the ones at Theo.
;)

[stoneage]

my bike.......a jog
That white stuff you see everywhere is called snow. It is pretty fun and handy stuff if you know what kind of vehicle to put in it. XC skis come to mind, actually. ;)
Classic skied the whole Wirth CX trail yesterday. They have a little to learn about grooming, but it was great. I have decided not to sell my equipment for another year. :)

[flombe]

Trails are wet - but firm, seem to dry out every time a wave goes out.

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/500/beach_shot.jpg

Looks like Troncones, Mexico. Where are you?

[Wheels]

Looks like Troncones, Mexico. Where are you?

I'm in Costal Azul - San Jose del Cabo - about 15 miles NE of Cabo San Lucas. I'm heading out later today to ride the mountains, that should be an adventure - I'll post a trail conditions report when I get back ;)

[flombe]

I'm in Costal Azul - San Jose del Cabo - about 15 miles NE of Cabo San Lucas. I'm heading out later today to ride the mountains, that should be an adventure - I'll post a trail conditions report when I get back ;)

Trail research, huh? Did you fly a bike down? I am heading to Troncones in late March and there are trails there too. I am wondering if there are any hassles getting the bike into Mexico. Did I see somewhere that JitterJepp rents out his bike box?

Have a great stay in Cabo!

[RedSquirrel]

Wheels, your mailbox/PM's appear full. Never mind about Theo question. I have a better offer tomorrow. Heath

[stefan]

Rode out to Theo today, 12-17-05. The section of trail just off 55 was covered with snow that had been trodden on by pedestrians and dogs, and then froze up.. Pretty tough to ride in! Didn't try to go deeper into the woods towards the golf course, has anyone else been in there lately?

[Wheels]

I am wondering if there are any hassles getting the bike into Mexico. Did I see somewhere that JitterJepp rents out his bike box?

Have a great stay in Cabo!

I didn't have any problem, I was on America West - I had 3 check items, so they charged me $80 for the bike box - then they weighed it, 75#'s - so they wanted to charge me more, then they asked what was in the box - so I told them, and they wanted to charge me more ($240 total).

I made them read the fine print, and it said they could only charge for the bike - no weight charge, and that covered the 3rd bag - so $80 as the customer service rep told me when I booked. Make them read the fine print.

If you're flying on United, use your IMBA card for a discount (free?) - use a pro bike box if you can, the thin ones from bikeshops will only make it one way most times, so you'll have to hunt down another.

Sorry everyone, didn't mean to hijack - guess I should start a new thread titled "Baja trail conditions" :) Wouldn't hurt - I can give some tips on how I set up my bike for the thorns.

Heath, I cleared my box - Mara is your "in charge" contact if you have MOCA biz - you can post here and I'm sure she'll respond.

[stoneage]

Rode out to Theo today, 12-17-05. The section of trail just off 55 was covered with snow that had been trodden on by pedestrians and dogs, and then froze up.. Pretty tough to ride in! Didn't try to go deeper into the woods towards the golf course, has anyone else been in there lately?
We need snowshoers in there, pronto!
I like the new site look, John.

[jitterjepp]

I didn't have any problem, I was on America West - I had 3 check items, so they charged me $80 for the bike box - then they weighed it, 75#'s - so they wanted to charge me more, then they asked what was in the box - so I told them, and they wanted to charge me more ($240 total).

I made them read the fine print, and it said they could only charge for the bike - no weight charge, and that covered the 3rd bag - so $80 as the customer service rep told me when I booked. Make them read the fine print.

If you're flying on United, use your IMBA card for a discount (free?) - use a pro bike box if you can, the thin ones from bikeshops will only make it one way most times, so you'll have to hunt down another.

Sorry everyone, didn't mean to hijack - guess I should start a new thread titled "Baja trail conditions" :) Wouldn't hurt - I can give some tips on how I set up my bike for the thorns.

Heath, I cleared my box - Mara is your "in charge" contact if you have MOCA biz - you can post here and I'm sure she'll respond.
Shawn, next time use your IMBA card and Adventure Travel. Your bike will fly for free. It is even printed on the ticket and they do use America West. I did this and the ticket price was the same as anywhere else. I didn't have any trouble at all. Also I do rent the box. Its a hard case. $25 for two weeks and I'm not much of a stickler on the two week time limit. The $25 goes to MORC/MOCA. You write the check to one or the other and I mail it off.

[fatbaldpop1]

I skied Theo yesterday and took a look at the bike trails. It looks like our friendly amigos on snow shoes have been doing their work...trails should be rideable with some effort. Long live snow shoes....

[RedSquirrel]

Holy krieke! I did a N.loop lap on snowshoes @ lunch today.

I expected powder/packer powder at best. I was set to help pack it flat for post melt freeze ride. !! Theo north loop has a well beaten path through the whole north loop !! It's fricken freeway.

There are no bike tire tracks on trail. Perhaps we wait til after a melt freeze and don't ride it wet. :laugh:

Obviously the trail crosses cc trails. So like Leb they are off limits, bikes should yeild to cc'ers & only cross cc trail at 90 degree (need signage?)

I'd say it's ride-able soon or now. Mara/moca? I couldn't push my fist through base. Yes, a 1 inch crust is forming nicely on top of 2 inch pack.

wow!

p.s. geek extra, light snow, trace of new at noon w/temps approaching 20'

[stoneage]

Go for it. It looked rideable to me. I have been looking at the trail from the XC ski loop, and I saw a very good snow singletrack everywhere. It looks really nice.

[mara]

Obviously the trail crosses cc trails. So like Leb they are off limits, bikes should yeild to cc'ers & only cross cc trail at 90 degree (need signage?)

You've got it. The city has not mentioned signage, but it might not be a bad idea for us to bring up proactively. If Jennifer from the MPRB attends the MOCA meeting tomorrow, I'll get her opinion.

We may ask bikers to voluntarily take a few days off before the City of Lakes Loppet in early February as a courtesy to the skiers, but other than that, ride early, often, and politely whenever conditons permit.

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I decided to try out my new lighting system and see how rideable Theo is.

After driving home from work from in rush hour (Eden Prairie to Minneapolis), getting all of my layers on, mounting the lighting system, strapping on the bike rack, realizing I forgot my cellphone at work, driving back to Eden Prairie at the tail end of rush hour, and then driving to Theo, I finally made it to the head of the north loop.

That was a huge waste of time.

The trail looks packed, but the surface crust disintegrates into slippery powder whenever you need any traction. I was using a WTB Timberwolf 2.7/2.5 combo, a 32/20 gear ration, and even dropped the tire pressure down to about 15lbs or a bit less. Even then, very very difficult. No fun.

I rode in about 200 feet (to the tree with the inner tube tied to it) and in that short distance needed to dab a lot, left the trail several times, and went down once. I turned around and rode back to the head, and thought I noticed I had just a bit more control when I rode in my previous tracks - so, I tried the first 200 ft again...and a third time.

No better. Another crash. Just slippery powder from crust.

If by relating this tale I can save just one person from experiencing what I endured this evening, then my suffering need not be in vain.

At least I know my lighting system works.

I hauled my ass out of there, packed up the gear, and drove home. Upon arriving, I tore the Inbred off the rack, pumped up the tires and headed out for some alley and parking lot fun.

The snowbanks are starting to harden up enough to get on top of...just remember to not try the same line more than once or twice. You will punch through the crust. You will be eaten. You will fall embarassingly in slow motion onto your wrist. You will feel shame.

[RedSquirrel]

']The trail looks packed, but the surface crust disintegrates into slippery powder whenever you need any traction. No fun.

Bummer. Yep I wasn't sure, but it sure looks good and flat anyway. Perhaps early mornings this weekend after warm up, when temps are below freezing.

Thanks for the effort and ride (ride-less) report.

[Trevize1138]

Hmm! Sounds like good skiing. ;)

[manual63]

']

I rode in about 200 feet (to the tree with the inner tube tied to it) and in that short distance needed to dab a lot, left the trail several times, and went down once. I turned around and rode back to the head, and thought I noticed I had just a bit more control when I rode in my previous tracks - so, I tried the first 200 ft again...and a third time.


Sounds a lot like our experience at Leb last week.....:)

I think it's going to get too warm the next few days to ride, it might damage the trail. So until next cool down and hopefully more snow, we will have to get a group out there to snowshoe and backcountry ski on the trail so we can ride it.

[stoneage]

Sounds a lot like our experience at Leb last week.....:)

I think it's going to get too warm the next few days to ride, it might damage the trail. So until next cool down and hopefully more snow, we will have to get a group out there to snowshoe and backcountry ski on the trail so we can ride it.
I think the ground should be fine, but it would be nice to get the snowshoers out when the snow turns tacky. That would stiffen it up quite a bit. The dirt should stay frozen under the pack till spring, unless we get a massive thaw. Riding when the snow is sticky only causes ruts to form when it gets cold again. Remember the one big rut last year, that we thought was a motorcycle? Probably a Pugsley. Kinda ruined it for everybody else.

[flombe]

Finally a few days where it looks like I will have the time to ride and it warms up! Sheesh! I will be over to TW at some point to check it out. I assume someone will ride it (not everyone visits this forum). Maybe my skinny meat grinder studded tires will till out any ruts!:D

[stoneage]

This isn't looking good. Hopefully the 'shoers get out before the bikers.

[flombe]

This isn't looking good. Hopefully the 'shoers get out before the bikers.

I think this looks good! A melt, some freezing rain, a freeze and then some snow followed by a few days with highs in the low 30's. The snow should harden into a crust, the temp's will be shorts weather, and I have a light schedule for the next several days! Woo-hooooo!

I would recommend riding in the morning to avoid being the Creator of All Mofo Ice Ruts like the rider that did just that last New Year's Eve! Man, that thing was tricky like a snake lying in the snow waiting to take you out!

Here is the NOAA forecast that I live and ride by:
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ifps/MapClick.php?CityName=Golden+Valley&state=MN&site=MPX

[mara]

The trail is far too wet/melted/squishy to ride. The snow has melted into mud on south-facing slopes, and the rest of the trail won't be too far behind.

Please stay off -- even on the sections where the tread itself might escape damage, riding on snow like this will cause a repeat of "the rut" from last year.

Mother Nature sure seems to be getting her groove on with the Solstice celebrations. . . she should be over it and back to frosty goodness by the middle or end of next week.

[RedSquirrel]

Conditions are perfect for shoe'n and packing. Two days of serious packing and who knows what we'll be doing by mid week! I live close to Theo and plan to be out there more often now. Post up if interested in riding (when/if ready) or shoe packing.

[col200]

me and te gf are going to go snowshoe it sat. AM. She got a new pair of alum. shoes whereas I still use traditional wood ones.

[99FSRComp]

Friday at 6 PM, I went snowshoeing with Ken W. and his daughter Jodie. It looked like a snowshoer, a skier were out on the trail before us, but most of the trail just had tracks from a hiker. The conditions were great, the snow not being as sticky as previously thought. We did the full north loop. The trail sure seems longer on snowshoes than a bike.;)

Mike

[col200]

I shoe'd it today and it seemed pretty nice. A good cold night could do wonders to it. I did see a bike track as I was leaving. but yeah, took forever to walk the trail. The GF got tired about halfway..haha

[Whatsmymantra?]

Rode two laps last night. The first 1/4 of the trail is easy to ride, well packed. The middle 1/2 of the trail has a very narrow line to ride, get off the line for a second and the softer snow will stop you quick. The last 1/4 of the trail was well packed as well and suckered me into another lap.
Started with soft tire pressure and it went well, half way through I let out some more pressure in the rear as it felt like the rear was digging in too much. That was the ticket and the second lap was much easier. Also much easier if you can maitain some speed, look ahead and try to stay in the the hard packed line. Once in the rough it takes alot of energy to get back on track.
Used a camping style head light I got for christmas and it was adaquate.
Get out and ride as long as it stays frozen and there is no new snow. great workout.
Lars

[flombe]

Thanks for the update Lars! I hope to get out to TW over the weekend. Were you running without studs?

[Whatsmymantra?]

Regular tires are all you need. I think I've got a 1.9 in front and a 2.0 in back.

[thebionicman]

Rode this morning at around 10:30. Conditions were perfect. I ran tubeless at around 30psi with no problems. I didn't see anywhere on the trail that would justify running the studs.

[col200]

Any updates? I know it's warm outside but today is below freezing. I'm thinking about an early morning Sat. ride. Think it'll be good? Maybe I'll see you out there.

[flombe]

Any updates? I know it's warm outside but today is below freezing. I'm thinking about an early morning Sat. ride. Think it'll be good? Maybe I'll see you out there.

I think it will be great! The forecast (http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ifps/MapClick.php?CityName=Golden+Valley&state=MN&site=MPX)says a low of 14 tonight. Should be good until midday.

If the ball bounces my way, I plan to be there mid-morning.

[flombe]

Just returned from 2 laps of Theo. 29 degrees. All is frozen solid, mostly packed and hardened snow crust with some glare ice spots and a touch of bare ground. Not too rutted either. I rode it SS on 29 x 1.5 studded at 40 PSI with no falls and cleaned everything. Bumped into two riders on their way in and they were debating whether to try it without studs.

Perfect winter riding conditions. Me happy.:banana:

[col200]

Did a lap this morning. Very icey in spots. Glare ice! So, I'd say if you're not running studs to stay off unless you want a big challenge. Even with my crappy studs I was slipping on some of the ice spots. Otherwise, the trail was fast and hard. Good time to ride!

[flombe]

Rode Sunday mid-afternoon and the trail ranged from glare ice to mud (in the dump and near the tracks)! Overall very good and enough riders have been through to knock down some of the ruts. It looks like temps will be mostly below freezing this week and Theo should be great with studs!

[jmhouse]

Just got back from a ride at Theo and figured I'd finally join the forums so I could post this Public Service Announcement: Theo is in great shape! There was a fine dusting of snow but it wasn't too slippery. There's a few slick patches and some ruts here and there but I wasn't running studs and I really had no trouble. Where are the major ruts, you ask? Well, just work up some serious speed on a few of the downhills and you'll find them quite easily. Anyway, overall, I think it's about the best it's been this winter. I got two laps in on both the north and south loops and probably could've gone for a third but I wimped out 'cause my toes were getting pretty numb. I know, how weak. But, then again, as of about an hour ago, my tire tracks were the only ones in and the only ones out...

[The Buckthorn Killer]

I had the second set of track tonight, and johns right. Theo is sweet. The south loop was alittle tougher, less traffic and more snow.

[jmhouse]

Hit Wirth again today and it was much more challenging than Thursday. It might've thawed just a bit this afternoon and by the time I was out it was refrozen and plenty slippery. It's still good though. I didn't use studs and survived, but I might be a little soft in the head. If you've got studs, I'd throw 'em on. I misjudged my timing and it got pretty dark before I made it out. I didn't have lights and eventually I could hardly see the trail, let alone the icy patches. I had to ride by telepathy and it didn't always work. Ah, good fun.

[fatbaldpop1]

Rode in the am on Sunday. Trail is excellent. Studs are highly recommended. Road SS. Also, noticed some nostalgia loops adjacent to the entrance by the ski trails. Fun to do them even though they don't exist anymore.

[Nuget]

Trails were in great shape. A little icey in some spots but nothing to bad. The Surly was not equiped with studs but the 2.3's stayed upright for the most part. Some ruts, some dirt showing but overall a great ride. A bit chilly on the toes and fingers with the wind but great to be out. I think it was around 25 degrees when I was out yesturday afternoon.

Ride on!

[jmhouse]

Got a ride in yesterday (Tues.) and it was windy and ice pellets were flying. Perfect. Anyway, the trail was in good shape. Icy, but not as bad as a couple days ago. However, there were some sections with soil showing and, while it was frozen, I'm afraid that with temps in the mid-40's (?!) it's gonna be a mess. I guess it's time to wait for colder temps.

[flombe]

2 laps after 4:00 PM with a sunset on Skyline on the way out. Winter riding perfection. I rode studs, they helped.:banana:

[fatbaldpop1]

I was out there same time...excellent ride...dusk was very cool tonight...Use studs...

[jmhouse]

I managed two laps of the north and south loops yesterday afternoon. There's a nice layer of packed snow in some areas that's excellent for traction, but there's lots of places with a thin coating of snow over glare ice. Or just ice. Overall, it's the slipperiest I've seen it all winter. It's interesting to see the divets in the snow off the trail where people have gone down. I added a couple of my own and I'm still feeling the effects of one bail today. The iciest area is in the pine woods just before the little concrete bridge. If you're back there, BEWARE. It's still a fun ride, but you'll probably want studs, good brakes, a helmet, and luck. Lots of luck.

[FormerFarmKing]

Yeah the trail is a bit icy and rutted, but it's still a blast. Farm Team Ricco put in 5 laps on Saturday and 6 the previous Saturday. Studs are the ticket.

[jag]

Trail had good traction yesterday at 1pm without studs. mud spots were still frozen. ice spots even had traction. I'm riding on kenda kinetic 2.6's.

[jmhouse]

Hit the trail yesterday and it was pretty good. Some stretches are bare (frozen) dirt and elsewhere there's a good snowpack for traction. However, it's still a bit slippery in places and at one point I let my mind wander and found myself cross-checking a tree at speed. Using studs would help considerably and if I wasn't betting that winter is almost over I'd buy myself some.

[mech_e]

Is it too warm today for a ride? I'd like to get my bike out, but would rather not ruin everyone else's fun. I'm sorry this is such a noob ?, but the whole winter ride thing is new to me.

[thebionicman]

Hi Jason, thanks for asking first. I would stay off of the trail with the warm temperatures yesterday and today. If the temp drops you can ride this weekend, shoot for the morning before the sun gets to the trail.

[Kosk]

Jason,

Adding to what E said, this time of year (late Feb/March) is tricky. The sun is starting to get a little more power, and even though it may be below freezing, there may be enough solar radiation by the afternoon hours to start to thaw the ground, even with temps in the mid 20s.

I rode Wirth monday night and noticed that much of the first leg running west along the railroad tracks is melted down to bare dirt. This dark ground along with the un-shaded southern exposure will heat up alot sooner and get nasty before the rest of the trail does. I noticed one place in particular where a 4 foot crowned section has many tire tracks frozen into the dirt, obviously its been deviod of snow for a while and gets a lot of sun.

The other thing to watch out for is areas in the woods where there is snow pack. These areas won't thaw as soon, but if they do, and they get ridden on, they could refreeze into giant ice ruts that effectively wreck the tread for someone who then tries to ride later when it is frozen and safe to ride.

Your best bet is to ride in the morning hours, as Erik suggested, or get a light and ride at night. I'd also suggest studs, as the snowpacked areas are mighty icy now. If you live close enough, I'd say go check it out, if there are any thawed areas, or you find you are cutting thru the snow pack, just bail and road it back home. Hope you can get a ride in!

[manual63]

Is it too warm today for a ride? I'd like to get my bike out, but would rather not ruin everyone else's fun. I'm sorry this is such a noob ?, but the whole winter ride thing is new to me.

You should get NOOB award of the year for this one!!!

Thanks a ton for asking and caring about the trails.

Did I mention we start doing trailwork soon??......:D You are the kind of people we need.

[mech_e]

Keep me updated on trail work. I'm working at home on my graduate thesis, so I don't get out much. I was going to just hit the paved trails around my place, but I came down with a nasty cough on Monday, and I can't shake it. I broke a leg back in Oct, so its been a long time since I've been on my bike, and I'm starting to go stir crazy I think!

[flombe]

Temp was 20 degrees, skies were sunny. 95% packed snow and ice with some dry dirt (makes me look forward to spring!) and some MUD! The mud is in Conundrum and was beginning to get soft when I passed through. There are some nsty ruts there too. The trai is fast and studs are highly recommended.

[JLS]

I checked out the trail yesterday after work and most of the trail is hard pack snow with stretches of ice. However, the Conundrum is mostly free of snow/ice and muddy when it's above freezing. There are already a lot of ruts in that section. The Snake trail where it's exposed to the sun is also clear of snow and shows some rutting, although not as bad as the Conundrum. There are short sections throughout the trail that show mud and rutting and longer sections on the Pond Loop and Zip.

Please do not ride the trail unless the ground is frozen, the trail fairies thank you!

[flombe]

With temps in the upper 30's this week, my guess is that the trails will not be in riding condition until.......APRIL!

My guess is that we are done winter off-roading unless we get a cold snap and ride in the early morning. When I rode Saturday, it had been cold overnight and the trail was soft by noon!

Spring is springing.

[Wheels]

Yep, it's getting to be that time - if you ride on the trails when there soft they'll just be closed longer when it gets wet in the spring (the ruts fill with water - the trail takes longer to dry, and we can't work on it).

So use some restraint, and kindly educate your fellow riders - and above all, keep on eye on John Schmidt postings - he's the new sheriff 'round here (trail steward that is).

[flombe]

I got out at 8:30 AM today. 20 degrees, sun in and out of the clouds, Robins and Cardinals singing, frozen solid singletrack albeit some with huge ruts. Studs required. The tread was just begining to soften in Conundrum on my second lap.

I noticed the rut damage was much more extensive than last weekend. It looks like a lot of yahoos rode this week when it was too warm.

[TrailPatrol]

I rode Wirth today, in full NMBP regalia, so I have to write a trail patrol report. Who gets it?

Acually, it isn't that important. All I did was help a couple riders and a dog-walker with directions, The trails are in absolutely spectacular shape; well worth the wait. I just wish I was in better shape to ride them. I hope I can get down a few more times before we move.

I take it the pink flagging is planned trails?

And for those of you who rode by and said "Hi", thanks. Everybody seems to know me, and I seem to know almost nobody any more. If I didn't respond by name, I apologize, but everyone looks the same in a helmet and sunglasses.

Ride safe,
:banana:
Hans

[col200]

I saw ya! I was wearing a white helmet and dark shades! Remember me?:cheesy:

[stoneage]

I take it the pink flagging is planned trails?
That would be the Buckthorn Killer and I, and it's about ¼ of the next section.

[MickUZE]

Get out and ride yesterday was great! 1st time on the trail!
MCU

[Kosk]

It really is killer out there if you are not careful.....

http://www.morcmtb.org/photopost/data/500/snake41306.jpg

[RedSquirrel]

Nice pic Kosk, made me laugh out loud. Look at that killer face!!

[MickUZE]

Look out the trail can bite its so good!
Nice PIC!

uze

[jitterjepp]

Good to feel some of that Minnesota clay dirt under my tires. :)

[syntaxjunkie]

And, for once, not on my face...

[stoneage]

I can't help but repeat this; Theo is absolutely perfect.
Trail work starts Wednesday at 5, BTW, for anyone who wants to come out and buff it up.

[flombe]

Bill is right. Conditions are perfect. I rode two laps on Friday and two on Saturday. Outstanding traction. Railed corners. The ruts seem to be dissipating too. Many riders on Friday, not so many on Saturday.

[col200]

Just got back from a few laps. Believe it or not, it's gettin' a bit dusty out there! Be cautious on a few corners. A few corners in 'White Pine Flyer' (The advanced section) were pretty hairy. Otherwise, great shape. A small bit of rain wouldn't hurt it though.

[Aaroneous]

A small bit of rain wouldn't hurt it though.

Guess what's happening outside right now? :D

[flombe]

Guess what's happening outside right now? :D

I got in 3 laps and saw around 30 riders including 5 women and one female trail runner tonight between 6:00 and 7:00! Conditions were perfect.

Not much rain fell and Theo should be fine tomorrow. Use your head if it rains more. Of course, don't ride if it is too wet.